Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Daniel J Blueman
When installing Ubuntu, I always see the source packages enabled by default. For all the general users I install Ubuntu for (including servers), it's an utter waste of bandwidth for everyone, particularly when automatically checking once a day. This is amplified eg in schools without transparent

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread J Fernyhough
On 20 May 2013 16:09, Daniel J Blueman dan...@quora.org wrote: When installing Ubuntu, I always see the source packages enabled by default. For all the general users I install Ubuntu for (including servers), it's an utter waste of bandwidth for everyone, particularly when automatically

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Daniel J Blueman
I'm talking in the context of the average user, so releases. Fine for pre-release. Updating 12.04, the universe sources are an extra 4MB (almost 25% extra) downloaded whenever a package is changed. Does it really make sense when 0.1% of people actually need this? Us developers probably care the

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Montag, den 20.05.2013, 23:09 +0800 schrieb Daniel J Blueman: When installing Ubuntu, I always see the source packages enabled by default. For all the general users I install Ubuntu for (including servers), it's an utter waste of bandwidth for everyone, particularly when automatically

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, May 20, 2013 06:16:53 PM Benjamin Drung wrote: Am Montag, den 20.05.2013, 23:09 +0800 schrieb Daniel J Blueman: When installing Ubuntu, I always see the source packages enabled by default. For all the general users I install Ubuntu for (including servers), it's an utter

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread J Fernyhough
On 20 May 2013 17:16, Benjamin Drung bdr...@ubuntu.com wrote: What happens when you run apt-get source with disabled apt-src entries? A reasonable error message: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list J -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: Apt will error out that it can't find the package. I think that if we are distributing binaries, we should (perhaps must, I'm not sure) enable the source repositories in order to , as a free software distribution,

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi Daniel (2013.05.20_18:07:43_+0200) Updating 12.04, the universe sources are an extra 4MB (almost 25% extra) downloaded whenever a package is changed. The release pockets aren't changed post-release. So it's a one-time download, and a continual extra overhead on -security, -updates, and

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Daniel J Blueman's message of 2013-05-20 08:09:19 -0700: When installing Ubuntu, I always see the source packages enabled by default. For all the general users I install Ubuntu for (including servers), it's an utter waste of bandwidth for everyone, particularly when

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Benjamin Kerensa
On May 20, 2013 8:10 AM, Daniel J Blueman dan...@quora.org wrote: When installing Ubuntu, I always see the source packages enabled by default. For all the general users I install Ubuntu for (including servers), it's an utter waste of bandwidth for everyone, particularly when automatically

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Dale Amon
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:25:50AM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: I'm more surprised that people are more upset about 4MB than the 5% that is still claimed by the system for the system which adds up to a lot more than 4MB on some systems which on a even a small 32GB SSD is what, 1.5GB? In these

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, May 20, 2013 11:25:50 AM Jordon Bedwell wrote: On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote: Apt will error out that it can't find the package. I think that if we are distributing binaries, we should (perhaps must, I'm not sure) enable the

Re: Source packages appropriate by default?

2013-05-20 Thread Colin Law
On 20 May 2013 18:02, Benjamin Kerensa bkere...@ubuntu.com wrote: On May 20, 2013 8:10 AM, Daniel J Blueman dan...@quora.org wrote: When installing Ubuntu, I always see the source packages enabled by default. For all the general users I install Ubuntu for (including servers), it's an utter