Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-17 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
On Saturday 15 March 2008 02:25:43 Remco wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there aren't any ext3 defrag tools anyway (ok maybe a few userspace ones, but that seems unusual), so we can avoid *that* bit of the argument, but there is NTFS

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-17 Thread Denis Washington
On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 10:56 +0100, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: I thought so, but it looks like people don't make the difference between preferences (personal) and administration (ugly system and hardware stuff). The fact is that we are now turning round. Anyway, we should make clear whther we

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-16 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Greg K Nicholson a écrit : On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 11:19 +0100, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: You'd call it My Diary because you are creating it for yourself. The user doesn't label the Preferences menu for themself—the label is

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-16 Thread Greg K Nicholson
On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 10:56 +0100, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Or we ca say User Preferences, with this Administration will appear much clearer. If that's not possible, just “Preferences” will do—the word “preference” tends to imply *personal* preference anyway. I thought so, but it

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote on 15/03/08 08:22: Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: ... Please also take care of not doing this change alone - you're aware of that since you asked the list. This should be discussed with GNOME, since they

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum)
Cory K. wrote: Just wondering. Do any of you know how this is technically implemented and what it could possibly effect? -Cory K. Well, it depends on what you want to do. If the point is just to change the menu layout and labels , it only affect gnome-menus. But to change an entry like

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Anyway, do we validate Preferences to Your Preferences ? I'd say My preferences, as Remco argued few mails before: Those are different things. Those tool tips are like a teacher directly speaking to you. But the text in programs is about the

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum)
Remco wrote: (I could've sworn that I hit Reply to All... oh well, I'm sorry for the double emails to you, Greg. ) I sent the following to Greg an hour ago: I think that a simple renaming or merging isn't going to fix this. The complete configuration system has to be thought out. Someone

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Cory K.
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Cory K. wrote: Just wondering. Do any of you know how this is technically implemented and what it could possibly effect? -Cory K. Well, it depends on what you want to do. If the point is just to change the menu layout and labels , it

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum)
Dear gnome developers and Users, We are having on ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list a discussion about refactoring the gnome menu layout. To have more information on the subject of this discussion, please have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/174277 So I the point is, I

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Vadim Peretokin
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering. Do any of you know how this is technically implemented and what it could possibly effect? I found this article to be gold: http://www.ndeschildre.net/2008/03/14/some-thoughts-on-ubuntu-brainstorm (sorry for

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Ioannis Nousias
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for section : System `

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Greg K Nicholson
On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 11:19 +0100, Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: You'd call it My Diary because you are creating it for yourself. The user doesn't label the Preferences menu for themself—the label is applied by the computer. “My” is only ever used

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum)
Ioannis Nousias wrote: Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So there is 2 solutions I see : - Using sub menu for

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-15 Thread Ioannis Nousias
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Ioannis Nousias wrote: Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote: Thank you for this constructive comment. Technically speaking, it'll be very hard to have every section GUIs merged into one (as those are different applications). So

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-14 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
I read what you explained in the bug report, and here are a few remarks. Clarifying the confusion around Preferences Administration is IMHO a good idea, since every base user seems to have problems with it. Naming them User Preferences and System Administration can be nice since it's not too

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-14 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) wrote : Milan Bouchet-Valat wrote: I read what you explained in the bug report, and here are a few remarks. Clarifying the confusion around Preferences Administration is IMHO a good idea, since every base user seems to have problems with it. Naming

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-14 Thread Viktor Nagy
Hi! I think it's weird in itself that the configuration menu is as important as the applications or places menus are. In a well running system the user is basically never exposed to any settings, so (although this should be discussed with GNOME) I would rather opt for hiding the whole System menu

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-14 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) a écrit : I like the proposal. Moving from System | - Preferences ` - Administration to Configuration | - Your Preferences ` - System Administration Is every one okay with this one ? To me it's seems clearer: *Configuration* is more generic and

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-14 Thread Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum)
Milan Bouchet-Valat a écrit : Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum) a écrit : I like the proposal. Moving from System | - Preferences ` - Administration to Configuration | - Your Preferences ` - System Administration Is every one okay with this one ? To me it's seems clearer:

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-14 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Remco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe another configuration applet is needed: Storage. With things like indexing, backups, restore points, partition management and maybe even defragmentation. But Ubuntu is lacking a bit with backups, restore points and

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-14 Thread Onno Benschop
On 15/03/08 10:33, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: Well, there aren't any ext3 defrag tools anyway (ok maybe a few userspace ones, but that seems unusual), so we can avoid *that* bit of the argument, but there is NTFS support, and that definitely *does* need to be defragged. You don't mean formatted

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-14 Thread Remco
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Mackenzie Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there aren't any ext3 defrag tools anyway (ok maybe a few userspace ones, but that seems unusual), so we can avoid *that* bit of the argument, but there is NTFS support, and that definitely *does* need to be

Re: Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-14 Thread Remco
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 3:37 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering. Do any of you know how this is technically implemented and what it could possibly effect? -Cory K. I browsed a bit through my filesystem, and it seems like the menu consists of a bunch of files in

Bug and discussion about ubuntu menu

2008-03-13 Thread Ouattara Oumar Aziz (alias wattazoum)
Dear developers, I am working on a bug on Launchpad https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/174277 and I suddenly though that I might ask here if the effort I am doing are worthy ( I wouldn't like to work a lot on this bug and have my patches refused :-) ) . So could you please have a