Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-12 Thread Jonas Jørgensen
On Dec 6, 2007 1:48 PM, Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GParted is still installed on the live-CD, and was installed on hard disk by default in the past. I don't believe this latter statement is true, except perhaps by a temporary bug in some milestone CD images [1]. An exhaustive

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-07 Thread Jan Claeys
Op donderdag 06-12-2007 om 12:48 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Colin Watson: On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 10:26:35PM +0100, Jan Claeys wrote: GParted is still installed on the live-CD, and was installed on hard disk by default in the past. I don't believe this latter statement is true, except

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-05 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 10:59:17 Markus Hitter wrote: Not including non-essential administration tools reduces confusion and enhances user experience. BTW:, obviously, somebody decided disk space is tight. Gutsy doesn't come with a working C compiler either, which I'd consider far

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 04.12.2007 um 07:58 schrieb Dane Mutters: On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 15:57 +0100, Jonas Jørgensen wrote: I would consider partition editing a basic feature that should be provided by the operating system For advanced users, I agree. For average users, partitioning is something they

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Onno Benschop
On 04/12/07 17:30, Markus Hitter wrote: As drives come partitioned off the store, why should a normal user have a need to change this partitioning at all? Well, for one, how are you supposed to tell Ubuntu that you have just installed a new HDD? (Other than opening up fstab and editing it

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Jonas Jørgensen
On Dec 4, 2007 9:30 AM, Markus Hitter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 04.12.2007 um 07:58 schrieb Dane Mutters: On Mon, 2007-12-03 at 15:57 +0100, Jonas Jørgensen wrote: I would consider partition editing a basic feature that should be provided by the operating system For advanced users, I

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 04.12.2007 um 09:51 schrieb Onno Benschop: On 04/12/07 17:30, Markus Hitter wrote: As drives come partitioned off the store, why should a normal user have a need to change this partitioning at all? Well, for one, how are you supposed to tell Ubuntu that you have just installed a new

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Caroline Ford
On Tue, 2007-12-04 at 11:59 +0100, Markus Hitter wrote: Am 04.12.2007 um 10:11 schrieb Jonas Jørgensen: A normal/average user won't ever use GParted, nor will they ever use many of the other tools in System-Administration -- but that isn't an argument for not including those tools.

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 04.12.2007 um 22:12 schrieb Caroline Ford: An advanced windows user knows how to install new hard drives, [...] Yes. Ubuntu says it exists to make _un_experienced users productive. new drives should just work. gparted won't help here. If you want to make sure new, even unformatted

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Jan Claeys
Op dinsdag 04-12-2007 om 11:59 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Markus Hitter: Gutsy doesn't come with a working C compiler either, which I'd consider far more essential than a graphical partition editor (think about installing non-packaged software). Actually, GCC is available in the small

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-04 Thread Markus Hitter
Am 05.12.2007 um 00:47 schrieb Jan Claeys: Op dinsdag 04-12-2007 om 11:59 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Markus Hitter: Gutsy doesn't come with a working C compiler either, which I'd consider far more essential than a graphical partition editor (think about installing non-packaged software).

Re: GParted installed by default?

2007-12-03 Thread Jan Claeys
Op maandag 03-12-2007 om 15:57 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Jonas Jørgensen: I would like to ask whether it has been considered to make GParted part of the default desktop install, and if so what the reasons were for not including it. I would consider partition editing a basic feature that