Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 03:38:20AM +0100, Xen wrote: > Colin Watson schreef op 09-12-2017 13:51: > > Even as somebody generally very sympathetic to the needs of > > localisation, I've got this wrong because Python 2 had just too many > > ways to make mistakes in this area. > > So you are

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Daniel Watkins schreef op 15-12-2017 0:05: On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:45:23PM +0100, Xen wrote: The move towards Python 3 was forced, it didn't come natural for anyone. Nope, I have preferred Python 3 since ~3.3, and the transition has happened over _more than a decade_. So you waited till

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Colin Watson schreef op 09-12-2017 13:51: On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 12:47:28PM +0100, Xen wrote: Colin Watson schreef op 09-12-2017 0:24: > there are good reasons behind many of the changes in Python 3 You know, an appeal to "good reasons" is really a blanket statement that betrays the absence

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:45:23PM +0100, Xen wrote: > The move towards Python 3 was forced, it didn't come natural for anyone. Nope, I have preferred Python 3 since ~3.3, and the transition has happened over _more than a decade_. > Lists became iterables. That is one glaring thing, even

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 09-12-2017 15:18: See https://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2017-December/036974.html The author "learned to be very selective" when he chose FLOSS software. That basically supports the notion that it is unwise to depend on anything because those you

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 09-12-2017 22:17: On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:31:12 +0100, Xen wrote: I think Kohlhaas was actually pretty sympathetic ;-). Indeed, but don't confuse the way of Kohlhaas, with the way of the worrier, as described by the Hagakure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure ;).

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

unsubscribe On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Matthias Klose wrote: > Python upstream announced the EOL of Python2 for 2020 > > https://pythonclock.org/ > > Getting Python2 demoted has been an ongoing task for several Ubuntu > releases, > now finally having a desktop CD image

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:17:09 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >I didn't read the complete Hagakure, not because I suffer from >dyslexia, but because the content of the Hagakure was much too idiotic ^^^

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:31:12 +0100, Xen wrote: >I think Kohlhaas was actually pretty sympathetic ;-). Indeed, but don't confuse the way of Kohlhaas, with the way of the worrier, as described by the Hagakure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure ;). You sometimes sound like somebody doing a

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:31:12 +0100, Xen wrote: >I am pretty sure that if the upstream devs would have taken a more >considerate approach, businesses would actually have been willing to >fund security maintenance, since it would have cost them much less >than making the transition. See

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 09-12-2017 9:19: PS: Don't get me wrong Xen, I get your point and without doubts you are "Kohlhaas", as I'm, too. I am pretty sure that if the upstream devs would have taken a more considerate approach, businesses would actually have been willing to fund security

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 12:47:28PM +0100, Xen wrote: > Colin Watson schreef op 09-12-2017 0:24: > > there are good reasons behind many of the changes in Python 3 > > You know, an appeal to "good reasons" is really a blanket statement that > betrays the absence of any good reasons. No, it betrays

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On 9 December 2017 at 11:47, Xen wrote: > Colin Watson schreef op 09-12-2017 0:24: > >> there are good reasons behind many of the changes in Python 3 > > > You know, an appeal to "good reasons" is really a blanket statement that > betrays the absence of any good reasons. > >

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

hi, Am Samstag, den 09.12.2017, 11:38 +0100 schrieb Xen: >  > > The Ubuntu CoC states to assume good intentions on behalf of the > other. and you are aware that this applies to both sides of the conversation, right ?  ciao oli signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Robie Basak schreef op 08-12-2017 22:22: Because Python 2 will be unsupported upstream and we don't have an unlimited amount of resources to maintain it in Ubuntu without upstream. The more time we spend on maintaining duplicate stuff in the archive, the less time we have to spend on other

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 21:22:34 +, Robie Basak wrote: >Assuming we do ship Python 2 in main in 18.04, which seems likely, you >will be able to use Python 2 in 18.04 until 2023. It's quite possible that Arch Linux (I mentioned it by a previous reply) might move python2 back to the Arch User

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:44:06 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 23:24:52 +, Colin Watson wrote: >>In any case, there is really very little point in tilting at this >>windmill now > >Don Quixote doesn't need to worry about thinking about something >idiotic, since actually it's

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 23:24:52 +, Colin Watson wrote: >In any case, there is really very little point in tilting at this >windmill now Don Quixote doesn't need to worry about thinking about something idiotic, since actually it's Sancho Panza who has to face the music. However, the analogy fits

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 09:51:00PM +0100, Xen wrote: > It was pushed upon an unwilling community Oh, please. I don't think anyone's going to argue that it's been the best-managed transition in the history of ever: it's true that it effectively split the community for a while, a lot of work has

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 09:51:00PM +0100, Xen wrote: > Personally I don't know *why* this needed to happen. Also from the > perspective of the python devs, I mean. Because Python 2 will be unsupported upstream and we don't have an unlimited amount of resources to maintain it in Ubuntu without

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Python upstream announced the EOL of Python2 for 2020 https://pythonclock.org/ It is unlikely that the demotion of Python2 will be possible for the 18.04 LTS release, but please work on the issues so that we are ready for the demotion once OpenStack is using Python3. Personally I don't