Yep. We're very pleased that there are OEMs selling computers with
Ubuntu pre-installed, so that millions more people are using Free
Software. And we're happy to accept feedback from those OEMs on problems
their customers have with Ubuntu, even if some of that feedback is
private. We're not
2009/3/22 Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it:
Yep. We're very pleased that there are OEMs selling computers with
Ubuntu pre-installed, so that millions more people are using Free
Software. And we're happy to accept feedback from those OEMs on problems
their customers have with Ubuntu, even
2) Create trust to this study platform within interested players -
commercial OEMs, non-commercials, universies;
Is Canonical not interested in brining these OEMs and other commercial
entities into the community or does it find it's job is now just to
shield them from the community?
I hope
By the way, as innocent bystander of all this disscussion, I wanted
to check out that icon which was replacement of new NM zero signal
strength icon (as I understood, design team overlook decision of using
it and provided better alternative), but I really can't find it. It
doesn't appear in
Op vrijdag 20-03-2009 om 17:48 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Matthew
Paul Thomas:
Yep. We're very pleased that there are OEMs selling computers with
Ubuntu pre-installed, so that millions more people are using Free
Software. And we're happy to accept feedback from those OEMs on
problems
their
On 20/03/2009 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
That's a reasonable complaint, but not an easy one to address. OEMs
don't want to give their hardware competitors any ideas prematurely
Come on! That's the opposite of the spirite of free software - or at
least of open source. Closed-source companies
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I'm sleepy and have bad memory, but AFAIR this all tread as been kept
active because Design Team as one or more _closed source_ studies from
OEMs that state that the old icon as bad UI, while most
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Vincenzo Ciancia wrote on 20/03/09 12:36:
On 20/03/2009 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
That's a reasonable complaint, but not an easy one to address. OEMs
don't want to give their hardware competitors any ideas prematurely
Come on! That's the
Olá Matthew e a todos.
On Friday 20 March 2009 11:29:56 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Thanks for your efforts. I hope you can understand
I can, of course. I'm not a one side person... I listen to all sides if
possible.
Thanks for your efforts.
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Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 21:26:05 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
I thought he was saying that the OEMs agreed with you...
I'm sleepy and have bad memory, but AFAIR this all tread as been kept active
because Design Team as one or more _closed source_ studies from OEMs that
hi,
Am Dienstag, den 17.03.2009, 18:55 + schrieb Mat Tomaszewski:
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:31:59 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
- why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel?
because gnome, kde,
your system can only use one default route
[snip]
dont waste panel space for confusing information and
show the most relevant info the user needs to know about.
Have to agree with Oli here. N-M should handle the logic for switching
between different networks but in the tray, only one
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 9:32:36 am Andrew Barbaccia wrote:
The case of VPNs is interesting and I don't feel it fits into this
connection list since it's another layer on top of an already established
connection. In the case that you are VPNing over a wireless network, you
would like to see
The VPN indicator lock is sufficient. It does its job of notifying me when
vpnc
has disassociated just fine. If only command line vpnc was so lovely.
How does this work currently. I'm unaware as others on this list are too
probably.
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Mat Tomaszewski wrote on 16/03/09 10:02:
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
...
and it's not what OS X does.
OS X shows 0 signal icon for both no signal and disconnected. Not
sure what I've missed?
...
The challenge that we're facing is:
- we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be
represented by the appropriate icon:
1. Wireless
2. Wired
3. 3G
Throw general modem connection in a bowl, because it would be needed
for bluetooth and simple dialups (which I hope will be
Throw general modem connection in a bowl, because it would be needed
for bluetooth
Bluetooth has already got its own icon and connection manager. This need
improving, too, but as a separate track.
I was talking about Bluebooth modems. Yes, there are even two
connection managers for managing
Andrew Barbaccia wrote:
The challenge that we're facing is:
- we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be
represented by the appropriate icon:
1. Wireless
2. Wired
3. 3G
Each of these has potentially 4 different states:
- card present,
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Monday 16 March 2009 19:28:46 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
It's difficult for me (and I think for anyone) to consider statements
like that a constructive dialogue.
I'm the OP of this thread! I was the one who asked for an explanation of why
the icon changed (without prior
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 09:59:21 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
- we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be
represented by the appropriate icon:
1. Wireless
2. Wired
3. 3G
4. VPNs
5. Bluetooth threading
Each of these has potentially 4 different states:
-
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:31:59 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
- why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel?
because gnome, kde, freedesktop all want to reduce the number of stuff on the
notification bar.
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(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 14:31:59 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
- why not show separate icons for all connection types in the panel?
because gnome, kde, freedesktop all want to reduce the number of stuff on the
notification bar.
I'd suggest only showing the icon for the currently used connection
(even if you're connected using several methods at the same time NM
only uses one of them for the Internet, right?) and let placing the
mouse over the icon display a bubble with more detailed information
about all connections.
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 2:29:24 pm (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Monday 16 March 2009 19:28:46 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
It's difficult for me (and I think for anyone) to consider statements
like that a constructive dialogue.
I'm the OP of this thread! I was the one
On Tuesday 17 March 2009 10:50:55 Andrew Barbaccia wrote:
- The connection strength for wireless and 3G could be the current bars
icon but with a 3G bubble in the corner. If that's too small then possibly
different color bars would be sufficient?
How about an icon that includes a generic
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
Olá Matthew e a todos.
On Thursday 12 March 2009 09:54:05 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
The Design team has just discussed this and we agree it's confusing. The
two-monitors icon sucked, but our first try at a replacement wasn't so
hot. :-) We will have another
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
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Mat Tomaszewski wrote on 07/03/09 13:17:
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
I totally agree that it's confusing
Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used
to? I know it's not a
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Monday 16 March 2009 10:58:55 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
That's an interesting feedback, thanks. However, I would not treat Linux
Class students as representative for the population of all potential
Ubuntu users :)
Most of them are brand new users, using a GNU/Linux
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 14:24 +, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
...
On Monday 16 March 2009 10:58:55 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
...
The request to change the icon came originally from various OEMs we
cooperate with
So OEMs now count more then Community?
Thanks, that was exactly what *we*
I agree that using the zero signal icon for no connection is really confusing.
Is there some easy way to revert this on my system?
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Hello Matthew,
As a couple of small corrections to this, it's not a metaphor, and it's
not what OS X does.
The Design team has just discussed this and we agree it's confusing. The
two-monitors icon sucked, but our first try at a replacement wasn't so
hot. :-) We will have another go,
Martin Pitt wrote:
Mat Tomaszewski [2009-03-16 10:02 +]:
OS X shows 0 signal icon for both no signal and disconnected. Not sure
what I've missed?
Even if that is really so, I really don't think that we ought to copy
such confusions from OS X,
Absolutely, hence the change
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Monday 16 March 2009 10:58:55 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
That's an interesting feedback, thanks. However, I would not treat Linux
Class students as representative for the population of all potential
Ubuntu users :)
Most of them
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:45:59 + Mat Tomaszewski
mat.tomaszew...@canonical.com wrote:
I hope by saying *we* you mean *you*, or maybe other community members
have already chosen their representative to speak for them? :)
Even with the smiley I think this kind of response discourages
Scott Kitterman wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:45:59 + Mat Tomaszewski
mat.tomaszew...@canonical.com wrote:
I hope by saying *we* you mean *you*, or maybe other community members
have already chosen their representative to speak for them? :)
Even with the smiley I think this
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:45:59 +
Mat Tomaszewski mat.tomaszew...@canonical.com wrote:
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Monday 16 March 2009 10:58:55 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
That's an interesting feedback, thanks. However, I would not treat
Linux Class students
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Mat Tomaszewski wrote on 16/03/09 10:02:
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
...
and it's not what OS X does.
OS X shows 0 signal icon for both no signal and disconnected. Not
sure what I've missed?
...
Yes, but Bugabundo's original complaint was
On Monday 09 March 2009 01:09:34 Darren Albers wrote:
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo
ubu...@bugabundo.net wrote:
human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
* Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0%
signal strength icon
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo
ubu...@bugabundo.net wrote:
human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
* Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal
strength icon
-- Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100
I totally agree that it's confusing
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Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
I totally agree that it's confusing
Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
same metaphor for many years now and it seems to be working out very well.
There was a
I appreciate critical voices, but please be constructive. One thing I'm sure
of is that we will not bring back the old icon. :)
Any suggestions as to how to improve the current situation are more than
welcome!
Ok, I will be constructive: we need to find a generic icon that
represent all types
Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
I totally agree that it's confusing
Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
same metaphor for many years now and it seems to be working out
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
* Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0%
signal strength icon
-- Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100
Can this be reverted?
The new icon is very deceiving
Max Bowsher wrote:
Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
I totally agree that it's confusing
Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
same metaphor for many
are you going to change also nm-connection-editor.png ?
what is the offline icon in KDE?
proposal 1: we have 4 kind of network devices in the system (eth,
wifi, gprs, modem). It's not a good idea to forget the other icons.
So the best proposal for me would be a 'morphing' icon that is before
a
Alexander Sack wrote:
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 11:17:32AM +, Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
I totally agree that it's confusing
Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been
Olá Nicolò e a todos.
On Saturday 07 March 2009 13:11:29 Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
proposal 1: we have 4 kind of network devices in the system (eth,
wifi, gprs, modem). It's not a good idea to forget the other icons.
So the best proposal for me would be a 'morphing' icon that is before
a cable +
Olá Mat e a todos.
On Saturday 07 March 2009 11:17:32 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
same metaphor for many years now and it seems to be working out very well.
On Saturday 07 March 2009 6:17:32 am Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
I totally agree that it's confusing
Is it confusing just because it's different to what you've been used to?
I know it's not a justification, but OSX have been using exactly the
same metaphor for many
On Saturday 07 March 2009 11:15:29 am (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
There was a significant problem with the old icon (2 monitors), it was
*totally* mysterious (what 2 monitors have to do with network
connection?) and we had many complaints.
mysterious?? it works *very* well to me. are
On Saturday 07 March 2009 8:11:29 am Nicolò Chieffo wrote:
are you going to change also nm-connection-editor.png ?
what is the offline icon in KDE?
It's an unplugged cable.
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On 07/03/2009 Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
There was a significant problem with the old icon (2 monitors), it
was
*totally* mysterious (what 2 monitors have to do with network
connection?)
Two monitors represent two connected or disconnected computers
(depending on other factors, e.g. the icon
human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
* Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal
strength icon
-- Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100
Can this be reverted?
The new icon is very deceiving, making me think I have my WiFi
(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote:
human-icon-theme (0.33.2) jaunty; urgency=low
* Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal
strength icon
-- Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:36:53 +0100
Can this be reverted?
The new icon is very
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