Hi developers, I'm posting here a launchpad question, I hope you could help me
in solve it.
Thanks
https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/226103
Gianfranco
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On 9 April 2013 09:58, Gianfranco Costamagna
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Hi developers, I'm posting here a launchpad question, I hope you could help
me in solve it.
Thanks
https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/226103
File a bug with a patch / debdiff attached and
Thanks for the quick answer, the patch is already here
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hedgewars/+bug/1073730
Just one clarification, this patch changes the build behavior for every
architecture, but still builds fine on both amd64 and i386.
As upstream suggested, if the patch really
On 8 April 2013 17:46, Brett Cornwall brettcornw...@lavabit.com wrote:
In revisions past, Ubuntu's CDs did not have enough space to accommodate
aptitude and apt-get. Now that we have moved on to DVDs I feel it would be a
worthy investment to include aptitude by default, especially since it is
On 9 April 2013 12:45, Brett Cornwall brettcornw...@lavabit.com wrote:
On 04/09/2013 06:31 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
snip
Aptitude is a fairly niche and highly technical package.
snip
I beg to differ:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html
Official Debian
Where does this conmviction come from?
On 04/09/2013 02:21 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as
there is no need for that for non-developers.
Regards,
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On Di, 2013-04-09 at 13:21 +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
We have aptitude seeded where console is the default interface.
On ubuntu-desktop the default interface is unity with preferred
package management using:
- dash application scope
- software updater
- software center
on a
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On 04/09/2013 08:21 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
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Maybe I was not very explicit - all console applications are niche
on the Ubuntu (gui) Desktop. And vice versa, gui-desktop applications
are nice on the Ubuntu (console) Server.
We have aptitude seeded where console is the default interface.
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Subject: Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On 04/09/2013 08:21 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
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Maybe I was not very explicit - all console
On Di, 2013-04-09 at 11:29 -0400, Brett Cornwall wrote:
On 04/09/2013 08:21 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
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Maybe I was not very explicit - all console applications are niche
on the Ubuntu (gui) Desktop. And vice versa, gui-desktop applications
are nice on the Ubuntu (console) Server.
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On 04/09/2013 11:57 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
ranting wont get you anywhere ...
That wasn't my intention.
aptitude is not the recommended tool in ubuntu and never was (at least
in the 9 years i work on ubuntu) ... if it is recommended anywhere that
is definitely wrong and this recommendation
Why?
2013/4/9 Brett Cornwall brettcornw...@lavabit.com
I'm trying to get it changed in Ubuntu.
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs
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I beg to differ:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html
Official Debian docs, section 8.1.3 - aptitude:
Note that aptitude is the preferred program for daily package management
from
On 04/09/2013 12:17 PM, Alexandre Strube wrote:
Why?
Because aptitude is the successor to apt-get, endorsed by the community
that does all the packaging for this OS, is more stable, and has better
dependency handling (indeed, promotes better dependency setting). It
makes no sense to keep a
On 04/09/2013 12:19 PM, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote:
This is actually being debated over on debian-devel as we type. So
some piece of text from the Debian FAQ that simply hasn't been updated
in a long time doesn't trump anything.
So the reason for not even considering this as an option is
On Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:27:28 PM Brett Cornwall wrote:
On 04/09/2013 12:19 PM, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote:
This is actually being debated over on debian-devel as we type. So
some piece of text from the Debian FAQ that simply hasn't been updated
in a long time doesn't trump
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Waclaw Kusnierczyk w...@idi.ntnu.no wrote:
Where does this conmviction come from?
On 04/09/2013 02:21 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as
there is no need for that for non-developers.
Regards,
On Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:24:47 PM Brett Cornwall wrote:
On 04/09/2013 12:17 PM, Alexandre Strube wrote:
Why?
Because aptitude is the successor to apt-get, endorsed by the community
that does all the packaging for this OS, is more stable, and has better
dependency handling (indeed,
hi,
On Di, 2013-04-09 at 12:24 -0400, Brett Cornwall wrote:
On 04/09/2013 12:17 PM, Alexandre Strube wrote:
Why?
Because aptitude is the successor to apt-get, endorsed by the community
that does all the packaging for this OS, is more stable, and has better
dependency handling (indeed,
It is consistent to the dumbing down of our society, which
is not necessarily a bad thing. All modern cars are built for
idiots to use. If these same idiots think they know how
to use a computer (as they think that they are really drivers)
then there is some overall benefit.
The prices of
On 04/09/2013 12:40 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
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It is in no way a successor to apt.
I did _not say_ it was a successor to apt. Forget I ever brought
anything up.
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On 04/09/2013 12:45 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
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Forget it - forget it. One could have said that all of Ubuntu's software
depended on apt-get from the get-go. But instead I get a barrage of
messages of people just telling me that my thought was stupid.
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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Brett Cornwall
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On 04/09/2013 12:40 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
snip
It is in no way a successor to apt.
I did _not say_ it was a successor to apt. Forget I ever brought anything
up.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Brett
On 04/09/2013 12:54 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
Debian endorsements or discouragements for aptitude are not very
relevant for what ubuntu should ship by default on ubuntu desktop.
And apt-get is the default upgrade tool in debian.
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On 04/09/2013 12:53 PM, Riccardo Padovani wrote:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Brett Cornwall
brettcornw...@lavabit.com wrote:
On 04/09/2013 12:40 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
snip
It is in no way a successor to apt.
I did _not say_ it was a successor to apt. Forget I ever brought
hi,
On Di, 2013-04-09 at 12:53 -0400, Brett Cornwall wrote:
On 04/09/2013 12:45 PM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
snip
Forget it - forget it. One could have said that all of Ubuntu's software
depended on apt-get from the get-go. But instead I get a barrage of
messages of people just telling
On 9 April 2013 17:27, Brett Cornwall brettcornw...@lavabit.com wrote:
On 04/09/2013 12:19 PM, Andrew Starr-Bochicchio wrote:
This is actually being debated over on debian-devel as we type. So
some piece of text from the Debian FAQ that simply hasn't been updated
in a long time doesn't
The situation seems to be:
Both apt-get and aptitude is far from perfect.
apt-get: more secure and stupid
aptitude: more smart and dangerous
Since apt-get has been regarded as default for long, let's keep it?
But seriously, can we fix the known issues in apt-get or aptitude?
They need some
Excerpts from LD 'Gus' Landis's message of 2013-04-09 09:40:37 -0700:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Waclaw Kusnierczyk w...@idi.ntnu.no wrote:
Where does this conmviction come from?
On 04/09/2013 02:21 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:37:33PM +0200, Waclaw Kusnierczyk wrote:
Where does this conmviction come from?
On 04/09/2013 02:21 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as
there is no need for that for non-developers.
Regards,
On 9 April 2013 13:13, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote:
Just from my own humble experience, there have been numerous times when
aptitude has been able to resolve a package situation that apt-get would
simply refuse to entertain; apt-get would just say it couldn't do anything
and
On 9 April 2013 19:25, Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net wrote:
On 9 April 2013 13:13, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote:
Just from my own humble experience, there have been numerous times when
aptitude has been able to resolve a package situation that apt-get would
simply refuse to
hi,
On Di, 2013-04-09 at 11:22 -0700, Dale Amon wrote:
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:37:33PM +0200, Waclaw Kusnierczyk wrote:
Where does this conmviction come from?
On 04/09/2013 02:21 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as
there is
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 08:49:41PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
and why does that limit your future ? do you expect us to rip out
firefox or xterm from the archive ?
No, I don't expect you to do anything. I am just sad about all
the functionality of X windows that has been left behind. Simple
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 06:45:25PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
snip...
just shipping it alongside would go against ubuntus policy of avoiding
duplication in default installs.
Thereby removing one more user choice. Choice is one of the bedrocks of
linux. Thanks guys.
.snip
On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as
there is no need for that for non-developers.
That's one of the more elitist, swinishly arrogant statements I've heard
lately. Are you actually discouraging new users from learning linux?
Why?
Thereby removing one more user choice. Choice is one of the bedrocks of
linux. Thanks guys. That's one of the main reasons I dumped ubuntu and
went to debian.
Have aptitude is a plus, you don't remove any choice:
if you want, do:sudo apt-get install aptitudeThe thing I hate is the proxy
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On Di, 2013-04-09 at 12:20 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 06:45:25PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
snip...
just shipping it alongside would go against ubuntus policy of avoiding
duplication in default installs.
Thereby removing one more
Excerpts from Robert Holtzman's message of 2013-04-09 12:20:40 -0700:
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 06:45:25PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
snip...
just shipping it alongside would go against ubuntus policy of avoiding
duplication in default installs.
Thereby removing
Excerpts from Dale Amon's message of 2013-04-09 12:14:40 -0700:
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 08:49:41PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
and why does that limit your future ? do you expect us to rip out
firefox or xterm from the archive ?
No, I don't expect you to do anything. I am just sad about
On 04/09/2013 04:01 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
Who removed your choice?
Defaults are simply opinions, not rules. Install your divergent choices,
and be happy.
I have to really emphasize, especially as I was the topic creator, that
I was discussing the possibility of replacing apt-get with
Excerpts from Robert Holtzman's message of 2013-04-09 12:33:05 -0700:
.snip
On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as
there is no need for that for non-developers.
That's one of the more elitist, swinishly arrogant statements I've heard
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 01:25:22PM -0700, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Robert Holtzman's message of 2013-04-09 12:33:05 -0700:
.snip
On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as
there is no need for that for non-developers.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Brett Cornwall
brettcornw...@lavabit.com wrote:
On 04/09/2013 12:17 PM, Alexandre Strube wrote:
Why?
Because aptitude is the successor to apt-get, endorsed by the community that
does all the packaging for this OS, is more stable, and has better
dependency
On Apr 09, 2013, at 10:40 AM, LD 'Gus' Landis wrote:
Personally, I look forward to the day of the return of the 24x80
CRT... but know I am in the minority.. for me the GUI is only
something that gets in the way of me being productive.
X is the bagel to the lox of Emacs.
-Barry
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On 04/09/2013 10:25 PM, Clint Byrum wrote:
For computer enthusiasts and power users, the CLI is great. But for
the person who sees their computing device as a window to other
activities, it is a huge distraction.
Let's keep enthusiasts off Ubuntu, then?
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On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:13:48PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote:
On Apr 09, 2013, at 10:40 AM, LD 'Gus' Landis wrote:
Personally, I look forward to the day of the return of the 24x80
CRT... but know I am in the minority.. for me the GUI is only
something that gets in the way of me being
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