It appears that SystemD does not allow for services to just be started
when a shutdown target is reached or is in the process or being reached.
The libnss-ldap package contains a script that enumerates low-ranking
usernames (from system users) and adds them to the
nss_initgroups_ignoreusers op
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 17:05:
On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:30, Xen wrote:
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:31:
let alone that some people don't use fstab at all on systemd
installs.
So what do they use instead?
systemd
I still use systemd with fstab.
Are you intentionally sayi
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 17:02:
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On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:23, Xen wrote:
Errors? Hopefully warnings, such as the GTK GUI crap. When launching a
GUI by CLI I sometimes add 2>/dev/null ;).
KScreen. Lots of it.
Of course there are probably "session" services but I have no clu
On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 04:23:38PM +0200, Xen wrote:
> Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41:
> >along with that click packages are user packages and being used in
> >ubuntu products on sale since 2015 (snaps will replace them
> >eventually).
>
> That just means a user can install them, not t
> On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:30, Xen wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:31:
>> let alone that some people don't use fstab at all on systemd installs.
>
> So what do they use instead?
systemd
I still use systemd with fstab.
Regards,
Ralf
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> On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:23, Xen wrote:
>
> Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41:
>>
>> there is ... see ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.cache/upstart/
>> (and there will be a systemd one as well, once switched to systemd user
>> sessions)
>
> The first file is loaded with random errors but I
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:56:
On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:59, Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
Standardized things, at least for a distro.
Each distro has got it's policy, a distro specific standard. We could
chose the distro that fits best to our needs.
I didn't want to respond to this idea, bu
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:44:
On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:49, Xen wrote:
Ion Windows it is very easy to put some application on some usb stick
and run it from there, but this is hardly possible even in Linux.
You don't need to link against shared libraries. Neither a container,
nor snap
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:31:
Not to mention that there at least is one daemon that should run with
user privileges
only:http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/jackd.1.html
Jackd sounds very good but it probably won't be installable *by* a user
ever even if you did so, an
Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:44:
i must say that in many aspects i find nmcli more powerfull than
ifconfig for scripting ...
it changed a lot within the last years ...
one big disadvantage is still that it requires a lot of dependencies ip
or ifconfig do not require ... but disk s
Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41:
hi,
On Mi, 2016-10-05 at 04:05 +0200, Xen wrote:
Xen schreef op 05-10-2016 3:32:
>
> In short, the discrepancy between what a user can do and what root
> can
> do, is too big.
The result of this is that most services are installed completely
system-
> On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:59, Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> Standardized things, at least for a distro.
Each distro has got it's policy, a distro specific standard. We could chose the
distro that fits best to our needs.
There are many other standards, some are unix alike, some are Linux specific
an
> On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:49, Xen wrote:
> Ion Windows it is very easy to put some application on some usb stick and run
> it from there, but this is hardly possible even in Linux.
You don't need to link against shared libraries. Neither a container, nor snap
is required to do this.
> These ap
> On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:44, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> disk space is cheap in most cases
Full ACK.
This is very important.
I dislike bloatware, but at least disk space is no issue nowadays.
Regards,
Ralf
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> On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:41, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>> On Mi, 2016-10-05 at 04:05 +0200, Xen wrote:
>> In terms of logging: why is there not a daemon that can run for a
>> user
>> specifically?
>
> there is ... see ~/.xsession-errors and ~/.cache/upstart/
> (and there will be a systemd one as we
Moreover, I think that Linux has come a long way and gained much maturity
on the server and enterprise side, thanks to parallel efforts of
"Canonical" and "RedHat" (and "Google").
The sector which Linux has long way to go is Desktop / Laptop and daily
computing. Why do you think people prefer to us
I appreciate Xen's first response stating how things go on in Windows and
Apple.
I know that snaps and containers are very different things and function
differently.
I was less concerned about snaps coming to Ubuntu, than two standards,
namely Snaps and Flatpak coming to Linux.
Both are good in th
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 14:11:
On 05 Oct 2016, at 12:09, Xen wrote:
[snip] Main problems in Linux have not been solved and now big
solutions are built on top of it, and the consequence is that those
high level solutions must be as shabby as the low level underneath,
but now a 1000 f
hi,
On Mi, 2016-10-05 at 14:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> PS: Since you mentioned Network Manager, I'm using scripts to either
> connect by PPPoE or DHCP to the Internet. I don't have other needs
> regarding networks. What is wrong with Network Manager, to provide
> user-friendly network access?
hi,
On Mi, 2016-10-05 at 04:05 +0200, Xen wrote:
> Xen schreef op 05-10-2016 3:32:
>
> >
> > In short, the discrepancy between what a user can do and what root
> > can
> > do, is too big.
>
> The result of this is that most services are installed completely
> system-wide and there is nothing le
PS: Since you mentioned Network Manager, I'm using scripts to either connect by
PPPoE or DHCP to the Internet. I don't have other needs regarding networks.
What is wrong with Network Manager, to provide user-friendly network access?
You are not forced to use Network manager, you could use other
On 05 Oct 2016, at 12:09, Xen wrote:
> [snip] Main problems in Linux have not been solved and now big solutions are
> built on top of it, and the consequence is that those high level solutions
> must be as shabby as the low level underneath, but now a 1000 fold worse,
> because you cannot get a
JMZ schreef op 05-10-2016 7:50:
Is there really a huge learning curve for .bashrc and xinit? .bashrc
is mostly a way to make an alias list.
What I fear about snappy and other modularized systems is unnecessary
complexity. I fear that simple commands such as tar -t are going to be
replaced with a
Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 9:16:
On 05 Oct 2016, at 04:05, Xen "questioned" the way things are managed
system wide and per user. I recommend to do either a minimalist Ubuntu
install, e.g. use the server image and uncheck all recommended package
groups, then start to install and set up ev
My apologies for sending it off-list first, iPad MUAs are a PITA, unfortunately
Linux based tablet PC can't be used for making music.
On 05 Oct 2016, at 04:05, Xen "questioned" the way things are managed system
wide and per user. I recommend to do either a minimalist Ubuntu install, e.g.
use th
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