Re: [ubuntu-in] Email Hosting control panel

2013-02-01 Thread Kingsly John
+++ 0oo_Neo_oo0 I m W0T I m [2013-02-01 12:15:26]: At present I am using Iredadmin pro. want to switch over on open source, Any budy know which one is the best solution open source control panel. I tried prostfix admin but some how i'm failed to configure it. Mostly depends on what features

[ubuntu-in] Official Ubuntu wiki being abused/exploited (pls. forward to appropriate team)

2011-12-09 Thread Kingsly John
Just got these URLs from a spammer. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gnu?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=tab9 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gnu?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=tab3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gnu?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=tab44 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gnu?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=tab25

Re: [ubuntu-in] (no subject)

2011-12-09 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Vellala Hari Hara Prasad [2011-12-04 14:40:02]: Please note every one! An anonymous sender has sent in VIAGRA advertisements on this UBUNTU India Local Community.  Administrator, please Ban this sri_gowrishan...@yahoo.co.in immediately and also take necessary legal actions on that person.

Re: [ubuntu-in] Audio disturbance

2011-10-23 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Sahana Basavapatna [2011-10-23 20:51:28]: Hi, I have installed the latest version of Ubuntu on Acer Aspire 5253-BZ661. Until about a day back, my audio worked perfectly. Now I see that there is a constant disturbance and am not sure how this has come about. Do you get the disturbance

Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu pre-loaded laptop

2011-10-22 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Linux Lingam [2011-10-23 01:04:52]: the suckiest brand of all is sony. it has zero models that ship with non-microsoft-os. Speaking of which I was really surprised to see this page. http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF04a/321957-321957-64295-3740645-3955549.html Kingsly --

Re: [ubuntu-in] open source software for contribution

2011-10-17 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Nitesh Mistry [2011-10-17 12:08:10]: +++ Shrinivasan T [2011-10-16 13:50:32]: this is project time for students. snip We need more programs like the Durgapur LUG's summer training program ( http://wiki.dgplug.org/index.php/SummerTraining ) --snip-- I think Shrinivasan

Re: [ubuntu-in] subfolder not opne by live ubuntu 11.10 pen drive

2011-10-17 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Shashi Bhushan [2011-10-17 18:41:46]: Hi, Please help me to fine my file in ubuntu 11.04. I am updating my laptop from ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10. but during update process when ubuntu instailing process begin, during installation of new file, my laptop going to switch off beacause power

Re: [ubuntu-in] open source software for contribution

2011-10-16 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Shrinivasan T [2011-10-16 13:50:32]: this is project time for students. instead of buying projects from project centers, let us help them to contribute to any open source software. need your help on listing the open source software in ubuntu for contributions. please collect a

Re: [ubuntu-in] Tataphoton USB Dongle Mobile Broadband wireless service

2011-09-16 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Kaushal Shriyan [2011-09-15 07:12:58]: Is there a way to find out the actual max speed available on USB Dongle Mobile Broadband wireless service on Ubuntu Desktop Linux instead of the advertised speed mentioned on the Tata photon website. There is no such thing as actual max speed

Re: [ubuntu-in] Belkin Wireless adopter does not support Ubuntu?

2011-04-13 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Sriranga(78yrsold) [2011-04-13 19:05:49]: Hi all, my friend wanted to install ubuntu using Live CD. Before doing he wanted to make  sure  whether Belkin wireless adopter is supported ubuntu  how to to connect in the ubuntu  for which step by step is requested. At present my friend is

Re: [ubuntu-in] compiling abiword from source

2011-04-07 Thread Kingsly John
+++ dd [2011-04-07 12:31:33]: In my /usr/lib folder there are already the glib-2.0 and gtk2.0 folders present. and most of the programs installed in my pc require gtk to run properly. So, I definitely have it installed. Then why is the error? I see the configure script searches for dep.s in

Re: [ubuntu-in] Canonical kills free Ubuntu CD program

2011-04-07 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Manish Sinha [2011-04-07 13:10:53]: In the long run, it would slowly compromise with the ideals of Debian and GNU. How? All I find is talk and no evidence. You know when we talk about Free we mean libre and not gratis. Please head to http://gnu.org for more information You should

Re: [ubuntu-in] Minimal Desktop

2011-03-29 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Narendra Diwate [2011-03-30 07:30:45]: In order to play around and get comfortable with the command line, I have just installed just the core packages of Debian testing from the netinst iso on a test partition without much else.  Then installed SLiM login manager and Fluxbox both of

Re: [ubuntu-in] multiple session of one user

2011-03-23 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Nandan Vaidya [2011-03-23 16:01:32]: If the 10.160.0.x2 session was via launched ssh, then the $w command should show you the PID of the sshd process from where the pts/x (replace x with a number) session was launched. I believe killing this particular sshd process (only) should log you

Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu friendly datacards (dongle)

2011-03-22 Thread Kingsly John
+++ sivakumar bharadhwaj [2011-03-21 09:28:06]: Mr. Kingsley, and others too, Thanks for a very clear crisp reply (guidance). You are very right - it is in every sense. will wait for the maintainer to add this new device too. The maintainer isn't going to add it unless someone with the

Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu friendly datacards (dongle)

2011-03-20 Thread Kingsly John
+++ sivakumar bharadhwaj [2011-03-20 08:33:04]: A month back I bought a Vodafone 3G - connect (which is still only 2G in mumbai, and 3G yet to be launched) - device is ZTE K3570 Z, and it is not getting seen as a modem, but still only as a USB storage device. USB storage or USB cdrom ? If

Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu friendly datacards (dongle)

2011-03-19 Thread Kingsly John
+++ James Sebastian [2011-03-18 22:21:12]: Dear All, I am looking for details on which datacards are supported on Ubuntu from different mobile service providers. Would be happy if any one can point any webpages listing them. I tried on http://ubuntu-in.info/wiki/ but could not locate

Re: [ubuntu-in] Membership to ubuntu-in?

2011-03-09 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Nitesh Mistry [2011-03-08 12:05:36]: While crawling the ubuntu wiki today, I stumbled upon these two[0][1] wiki pages on ubuntu-in members and ubuntu-in promoters[2]. The crux was to acknowledge the contribution towards local community by giving them @ubuntu-in.org email aliases (akin to

Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu 11.10 to be called Oneiric Ocelot

2011-03-07 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Manish Sinha [2011-03-07 15:42:41]: PS: I guess many people will be facing problems pronouncing Oneiric It's spelt Oneiric but pronounced as Opencore? ;-) Kingsly -- --- Kingsly At Users Dot SourceForge Dot

Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu in your car?

2011-02-23 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Ramnarayan.K [2011-02-23 16:37:39]: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.net wrote: Just came across this post on engadget and felt like sharing it here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/22/vic-ltd-navisurfer-ii-ubu-3g-in-car-pc-gets-built-in-gps-fina/

Re: [ubuntu-in] Netbooks - suggestions and advise

2011-02-21 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Ramnarayan.K [2011-02-21 19:51:24]: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Narendra Diwate narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote: Can you share your reasoning for installing a full Linux distro rather than something more

Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu India LoCo approval renewal

2011-02-20 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Bhavani Shankar R [2011-02-21 07:11:23]: Hey Aanjhan, I am ready to help out with my small bit if its useful along with others Regards I would strongly advise against involving Bhavani Shankar in this effort.(Or any efforts of Ubuntu-IN for that matter) He has a past history of

Re: [ubuntu-in] Netbooks - suggestions and advise

2011-02-19 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Ramnarayan.K [2011-02-01 13:13:00]: after finding out and follow up with various agencies we've shortlisted the Samsung N 148 1. “Looks like it’s worth it.” Try it. - NP-N148-DP05IN - Mini Notebook - Notebook | SAMSUNG. at

Re: [ubuntu-in] OT However Important - India Against Corruption

2011-01-29 Thread Kingsly John
This has absolutely nothing to do with Ubuntu or FOSS or even software/technology. Abusing this list as a broadcast medium is absolutely unacceptable. Even worse violation than those misguided/unintentional invitations to various social networks. Kingsly +++ Ramnarayan.K [2011-01-29 09:31:38]:

Re: [ubuntu-in] Fwd: Correction in mentioning linux (Please mention it as gnu/linux)

2011-01-27 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Ganesan Venkata Subramanian [2011-01-27 12:09:39]: Hi All   I think i should make a statement here. What makes an operating system. The kernel as well as its utilities. Correct me if i am wrong. while saying linux we are talking of only the kernel. Then where is the mention of the

Re: [ubuntu-in] Libre Office 3.3.0 available for download

2011-01-27 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Sriranga(78yrsold) [2011-01-27 17:17:29]: Better to explain the steps taken by you for benefit of newbies who should not disappointed. Also about indic lang.supported. newbies are better of with the distro supported openoffice. There is anything dramatically different by switching to

[ubuntu-in] Off-Topic Re: 01. Who Is Censoring The Internet?

2011-01-16 Thread Kingsly John
This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Ubuntu. Please take the discussion offlist or to a more relevant list like india-gii/cyberlaw-india. Also avoid posting non-Ubuntu related content to the list in future. Kingsly +++ Narendra Diwate [2011-01-17 11:11:19]: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at

Re: [ubuntu-in] Problems with USB driven External HD

2011-01-02 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Ramnarayan.K [2011-01-02 16:43:03]: The transcend casing has a funny way of working - the usb cable has two inputs - one for power and one for data - and if ever the power section is not inserted (into the computer) then the externl HD tends to crash - and i think my not using this power

Re: [ubuntu-in] power management comment

2010-12-21 Thread Kingsly John
+++ nikhil n [2010-12-19 14:00:26]: Dear all, Thanks again for the responses. I checked out the partition and found that there was no memory left. Feel embarrassed to be asking again How do I create space. I can access the dparted using the live cd. I have four partitions and

Re: [ubuntu-in] Fwd: sudo ap-get install with (y/n) ?

2010-11-23 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Narendra Sisodiya [2010-11-23 19:12:56]: Sometimes when i want to install some package, it do not ask for y/n question before installation. It happens when I try to install package with do not have dependency.  for example -  sudo apt-get install expect Do no ask for y/n type of

Re: [ubuntu-in] Monitoring websites accessed from a computer

2010-11-22 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Rajat Khanduja [2010-11-21 19:39:27]: I am interested in developing a tool (for personal use) to monitor all the websites accessed from the computer. I plan to make use of BASH, but I'm not clear how I can know which website has been accessed using scripts. Bash isn't exactly the tool

Re: [ubuntu-in] We are more than 1%

2010-10-11 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Ramnarayan.K [2010-10-11 21:56:16]: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Ganesan Venkata Subramanian chickoo.i...@gmail.com wrote: With this initiative, we intend to refute the statistics of certain press organizations that ensure that the use of GNU/Linux does not exceed 1% and has not

Re: [ubuntu-in] connect wifi via command line

2010-10-03 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Alok Singh Mahor [2010-10-04 02:38:44]: Hi, I have .crt file and my username and password. could you please give me the command line equivalent procedure for http://www.cc.iitd.ernet.in/CSC/ index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=75Itemid=98 Looks like it's an internal machine. I'm

Re: [ubuntu-in] C++IDE for Ubuntu

2010-09-26 Thread Kingsly John
+++ fahad fazil [2010-09-26 20:52:58]: See im a beginner in C++ and in our school they use Turbo C++ and i feel its very different from it. Now im using Geany in ubuntu  at home. Don't let schooling interfere with your education. -- Mark Twain The only thing Turbo C is good for is to get you

Re: [ubuntu-in] Internet thru Mobile phone

2010-09-11 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Narendra Diwate [2010-09-11 16:13:40]: On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Narendra Diwate narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote: Quiet a while back i had used Mobile Office on Airtel to connect to the internet on my computer running XP thru bluetooth on Nokia 6681. The settings

Re: [ubuntu-in] OT - Linux Users in Hyderabad - Lets meet

2010-09-07 Thread Kingsly John
+++ nitheesh kl [2010-09-07 19:39:33]: its a great thing to happen... but unfortunately i'm not in hyderabad. i'm from bangalore are there any meeting of this sort held in bangalore http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-bengaluru/ We'll be having a meet later this month. Kingsly --

Re: [ubuntu-in] Stitching photos

2010-09-06 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Narendra Diwate [2010-09-06 13:57:03]: I have a bunch of photos that I had taken to mimic what a panorama mode would do in a camera. These have a part that overlaps. Is there a easy way to stitch these photos on the overlapping parts to create a panorama like image. I am no GIMP user so

Re: [ubuntu-in] Redesign the Ubuntu India website

2010-09-05 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Ravi Kumar [2010-09-05 01:33:32]: Ubuntu-In should not be just a wiki. It should be a Custom site, a forum, a wiki, a CMS and more. What I think about Ubuntu-India, not a site about Ubuntu, but a site more geared towards the Ubuntu and its usage/development/helps/articles/

Re: [ubuntu-in] play part of video

2010-09-03 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Alok Singh Mahor [2010-09-01 13:25:15]: Hi All, I want to play a part of video i,e. 14.22.34 to 15.54.12 repeatedly. anybody have any script or mplayer command? mplayer -loop 0 -ss 14:22.34 -endpos 1:31.78 file.avi I'm assuming your video file isn't 15 hours long.(Fix accordingly if it

Re: [ubuntu-in] how to play collated audio-clips from in-the-middle

2010-08-30 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Linux Lingam [2010-08-30 03:40:57]: dear all, bewildered no software exists to do this, and thankful if you point me to one: 1. take several mp3 files. 2. create a playlist that sequences audio-clips from within these mp3-files. all existing music-player software create playlists

Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu lullaby timer

2010-07-17 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Linux Lingam [2010-07-16 16:51:35]: dear all, i'd love to drift to sleep listening to some audio or music playing via mplayer on my ubuntu 9.04, but obviously, once asleep, don't want to get up to quit mplayer and shutdown the laptop. likewise, i'd also love to wake up to mplayer

[ubuntu-in] Attn Wiki Admins - Vandalism protection

2010-06-29 Thread Kingsly John
Was the old wiki lost? Can we prevent this kind of URL duplication? http://ubuntu-in.info/wiki/MailingList_Guidelines http://ubuntu-in.info/wiki/index.php/MailingList_Guidelines From http://ubuntu-in.info/wiki/Special:RecentChanges 29 June 2010 * (diff) (hist) . . N Index.php/MailingList

Re: [ubuntu-in] Wifi behaving Erratic: SOS

2009-05-09 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Manish Gupta [2009-05-09 13:05:41]: So i entered the IP's at all the required places. and also entered the Other 2 enteries for DNS which are needed to enter below where we enter the IP's. It is giving me access to the office intranet and i can see other computers in the intranet but i

Re: [ubuntu-in] problem with PPPoeconf and xdsl connection

2009-04-09 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Ramnarayan.K [2009-04-09 09:36:19]: When i tried to reset pppoeconf it shows me 2 eth device (eth0 and eth1) and i am pretty sure the laptop has only one eth port - so any idea why ? for some chips/drivers the wireless device also shows up as ethX Kingsly --

Re: [ubuntu-in] Which is the best filesystem to use??

2009-04-06 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Moz [2009-04-03 21:17:14]: Choosing a filesystem because it's power outage resistant is not logical at all. No file system is geared for power outages which is a physical failure. So singling out ext4 is bad because you can suffer just as bad a corruption on a power

Re: [ubuntu-in] Which is the best filesystem to use??

2009-04-03 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Moz [2009-04-01 22:24:38]: Tricky question. People would swear by a file system as ideal. I have read that ext4 has zero tolerance for powerouts and much greater chance of it being corrupted in such circumstances, so it is out of question for people like me. Choosing a filesystem

Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu-IN Hosting Issues

2009-01-08 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Zaki Manian [2009-01-06 22:32:53]: This is a tangent but is there a reputable VPS host with servers located in India? I'm more latency than cost sensitive for this application. What exactly do you plan to achieve in the 100ms that you'll shave off? Peering between ISPs in India still

Re: [ubuntu-in] PCIe Graphics Card for ubuntu

2008-10-25 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Onkar Shinde [2008-10-18 19:04:40]: If you are ready to shell some more money get ones from 16xx or 19xx HD series. They have support for HD resolutions and have drivers in Ubuntu which give at least good 2D support. Have you used them to view HD content? I doubt the 2D only drivers will

Re: [ubuntu-in] Retrieving Track details from Audio CD's

2008-06-02 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Ramnarayan.K [2008-06-03 10:11:31]: AFAIK even when winamp or other windows media players have been offline they are still able to get / show the trackand album details (basically name of the song etc) Even in the days when we (as in where i am) did not have internet we got the track

Re: [ubuntu-in] How safe it is to install (*)ubuntu on a laptop

2008-05-31 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Mehul Ved [2008-06-01 05:49:17]: On Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:49:06AM +0530, mallikarjun arjun wrote: The bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 As of my knowledge there is no such bug. I am not sure. There is, as you can see the launchpad bug

[ubuntu-in] Licensing ..[was Re: Looking for a flat-bed scanner in the 6-7k range which is supported by ubuntu available in India]

2008-05-10 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Onkar Shinde [2008-05-09 22:41:43]: By the way, can someone please verify if CC-BY-NC 3.0 is acceptable license for mails in this mailing list? Not everything needs to be licensed. Your mails are still copyrighted to you, so nobody can claim it to be theirs since you can always show that

Re: [ubuntu-in] DVD not mounting on Gutsy

2008-04-04 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Onkar Shinde [2008-04-05 02:05:09]: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Vivek Khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Mir Nazim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all I am completely unable to mount the movie DVD on gutsy. I was working earlier but

[ubuntu-in] Bhavani Shankar [was Re: What happened to ubuntu-in development ?]

2008-01-23 Thread Kingsly John
and a liar and I don't need to explain myself to scum like you. Also you obviously have no idea who I am, considering this is what you said yesterday on IRC ... --begin-- [22 Jan/16:30] coolbhavi real name kingsly John an engineer and a market research expert in bangalore --end-- Just so you know you

Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?

2008-01-22 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Bhavani Shankar R [2008-01-22 09:52:40]: Yes.. By the term free I meant to say.. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobuntu http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and the whole distro should be based on only free software including the translations...(which is of course free)

Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?

2008-01-21 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Vivek [2008-01-21 05:54:38]: Have u tried XUBUNTU ? It's touted to be lightweight alternative to ubuntu but my personal experience has been very different. Most of the time it relies on Gnome packages. Other than a different window manager , and thunar there's not much different between

Re: [ubuntu-in] Gutsy 64 bit troubles.

2007-11-23 Thread Kingsly John
+++ nan budh [2007-11-22 02:20:12]: What do i do: -in cases of complete freeze up or random error messages when i just booted in, all i do is cut off power and reboot. -in case of corrupted graphics i Log Out and log back in.That helps. if i have some program running i Switch user and come

Re: [ubuntu-in] Gutsy 64 bit troubles.

2007-11-22 Thread Kingsly John
+++ nan budh [2007-11-22 02:20:12]: Prateek Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I managed to install Gutsy AMD64 on my acer aspire 5000 laptop. I have 256 MB RAM, out of which 32 MB is reserved as graphics memory. However, the kernel only 'detects' 150 MB main

Re: [ubuntu-in] Battery Management

2007-11-14 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Gautam John [2007-11-14 15:03:38]: I'm running Gutsy on a Lenovo 3000 G400 and the power manager seems a little wonky. It does not seem to allow me to set up notifications for when I have low battery or when the battery is charged. It does warn me when the battery is below 20% (or maybe

Re: [ubuntu-in] Battery Management

2007-11-14 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Gautam John [2007-11-14 23:10:39]: Also, the Gnome Power Manager and the Applet give me conflicting charge remaining time. What do I follow? Time remaining isn't an exact science.. it's just an estimate based on certain values. So depending on how it's reported.. the numbers will vary from

Re: [ubuntu-in] Liberal source for movie subtitles?

2007-11-11 Thread Kingsly John
+++ ??? (Nilesh Trivedi) [2007-11-11 16:14:34]: Nothing more. They ay what is prohibited but they don't say what is allowed. It is more of a P2P site where nobody is bothered about copyright at all. Movie subtitles are copyrighted to the movie

Re: [ubuntu-in] Connecting Internet

2007-11-05 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Gagan Arora [2007-11-05 08:20:25]: I guess part of the problem is that i also use a NETGEAR wireless router (Model WGR614)... I use wireless to connect to my laptop that has windows xp, this is running just fine. My D Link modem connects to this router and this router is connected to

Re: [ubuntu-in] Connecting Internet

2007-11-04 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Gagan Arora [2007-11-04 00:26:16]: I have already opened the modem configuration window by typing 192.168.1.1 in the browser and set the options using the wizard and keyed my userid and pwd... however im still unable to connect... the same thing works from windows just fine How are

Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

2007-10-31 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Bhavani Shankar R [2007-10-31 13:29:13]: Not at all.. See one thing i have observed while i go to a talk is mainly students ask whether there is recognition if we do something for the community without having a page which describes the team participation and sort of stuff? The FOSS

Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

2007-10-31 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Bhavani Shankar R [2007-10-31 16:41:31]: par mera hindi aur kannada bhashaiyo mein zara sa tight hold hain... aur onde string bhashantara maadidhakke adhu nange kannada athava kannada development gothilla anta alla... the way kingsly spoke was conveyning that same meaning.. I never

Re: [ubuntu-in] This is about Ubuntu Indian Members..

2007-10-31 Thread Kingsly John
+++ Bhavani Shankar R [2007-10-31 22:48:09]: yes definitely.so i respect each one of them... See my definition of team lead is entirely different.. See our community for example every one is qualified and every one is a developer.. In opensource rather than working under someone (that