Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Pre-Installed Application Review (effective for 20.10)

[lukefromdc]

I have had good luck with Kdenlive for many years on several systems
(hardware wise) and a very long-lived rolling OS install.

On 5/10/2020 at 3:24 PM, "Erich Eickmeyer"  wrote:Hi all,

So, first with the news: I'm done with the move and configuration of
the
seed to KDE Plasma. If there's anything Xfce left, it's mostly
remnants
at this point. Now, on to business.

In an effort to cut-down on application purpose duplication, we need
to
review which applicationswe include by default.

First, I would like to start off with the video editors. Currently, we
have three applications that describe themselves as video editors:
pitivi, openshot, and kdenlive. At one point in time, these may have
served different purposes, but all three of them are video editors and
describe themselves as such. My recommendation is to drop pitivi and
openshot from the default install and use kdenlive as our video editor
for a number of reasons: 1) It's more feature-full, 2) It's KDE
software
(by carrying Plasma we carry most of its libraries including the KDE
Frameworks), and 3) as a flavor for creative *professionals* we need
to
be including the most professional software we can, and right now
Kdenlive fits that bill. If people need functionality that is in one
of
the others, it's just a download away. The other objection I have for
keeping Openshot is that it has a nag button for the "latest" version,
which takes one to an appimage download, which isn't ideal.

You will notice I leave Blender out of that discussion because, while
it
has video editing capabilities, it is primarily a 3D modeling and
animation application, and video editing is not its default
configuration. For this reason, we should leave Blender.

Len and I have discussed removing the Calf plugins from the default
install since lsp-plugins covers the things that Calf can do (and then
some), and Calf has a tendency to be prone to crashing when used in
Ardour.

Gimp vs Krita: I recommend keeping both since, while both are equally
capable of each other's functions, each has a different target
audience.
Whereas Gimp targets photo manipulation, Krita targets advanced
graphical art. We could lump MyPaint in with this as well, but as
Eylul
has discussed with me, it fits a different niche altogether.

Brasero: I don't understand why we've been carrying this since Xfburn
was also installed. Now that we no longer carry Xfce, I recommend
changing that out for K3b since, once again, KDE, and since it is a
historically more powerful tool anyhow.

Darktable vs Rawtherapee: Both are RAW image manipulation
applications,
with Darktable closely fitting the functionality of Adobe Lightroom.
If
we had to pick just one, I'd say Darktable as it seems to be the more
professional of the two.

Additionally, while we haven't carried Shotwell in a number of years,
I
think we could do with a photo catalog program. I think Digikam would
be
a good addition since it has all sorts of plugins to enable people to
easily catalog their photos, including features such as facial
recognition and geolocation. I know as a photographer that kind of
thing
makes my life millions of times easier.

With that, here's my recommendations so far (- means drop, + means
add):

-pitivi
-openshot
-calf
-brasero
+k3b
-rawtherapee
+digikam

I'd love to hear thoughts about this, or other applications worth
dropping. Remember, our ISO is a whopping 3.4GB, which is a pretty
hefty
download for some people. Also, believe it or not, that's only an
increase of 0.1 with Plasma.

And remember: this is a meritocracy, meaning those with the most
involvement in the project have the most sway. Those who simply follow
this mailing list without being otherwise involved have very little,
if
any sway. This is in an effort to keep a potentially negative, yet
vocal
minority from ruling.

Thanks,
Erich

Erich Eickmeyer
Project Leader
Ubuntu Studio

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 20.04 beta test

[lukefromdc]

Try blocking all blockable ads first: you will save your sanity and your 
bandwidth. If you still get a crash ads probably are not the culprit. If the 
site then loads normally, that's another matter.

Online ads are infamous for issues including serving malware. Still,  nothing 
beyond the browser should crash on ads (windows payloads should simply not 
run). Question that may be unanswerable is whether all ads or a particular 
buggy or malicious ad are causing this.

Note that I myself have limited experience with Youtube as I normally block all 
Google and Facebook content except over Tor and only use Youtube there to 
force-download video, often with the site stopped at half loaded.

On 4/6/2020 at 11:39 AM, "Norman C LeDonne Jr"  wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>I tested Ubuntu Studio 20.04 beta in a virtualbox virtual machine. 
> The
>first two tests were successful.  On the third test, I could not 
>get
>youtube to play at all; it froze while loading ads.  I did try
>youtube.com/html5; however, I was still unsuccessful.
>
>I have tried several times to log the results.  I checked my 
>browser and
>popups are enabled for the web address, JavaScript is enabled.  I 
>want to
>report results, and thought that this approach will be something 
>the team
>could use.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] i386 architecture will be dropped starting with eoan (Ubuntu 19.10)

[lukefromdc]

That may be practical in the US and Europe, but far less practical for
say, an activist media maker in a Rio favela opposing Bolsonaro's
efforts to "cleanse" the city of the poor. S/he might be limited to
the hardware on hand, and an upgrade requirement will be translated
into a change distro or don't update software requirement. Not
everyone has even a single penny to spend on replacing equipment that
may still function as it did when new. Just because fat-pig ad
supported websites full of tracking and fingerprinting scripts have
moved on doesn't mean everyone has to.

On 6/27/2019 at 10:44 PM, "Kris Komar"  wrote:It’s time to move on.
Having 1GB of RAM is no longer acceptable in computing today. We need
to move forward. You could have argued that point in 2010 to some
success but it’s 2019. 2019! They will need to upgrade. 

On Jun 21, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Luigino Bracci  wrote:

I also disagree with this decision. In my country, there is A LOT of
hardware (minilaptops, old computers) with just 1 GB of RAM; those
computers have 64-bit CPUs, but we recommend installing 32-bit distros
on them, because the performance of a 64-bit distribution in 1 GB of
RAM is disappointing; it's too slow because applications compiled for
64-bit eat more memory. Most people just can't pay the RAM upgrade to
2 GB or 4 GB (that upgrade costs one month of sallary in many
countries). 

GNU/Linux is the natural option in developing countries. The
government of my country gave 2,6 millions of minilaptops to children
in the last 8 years, all with 1 GB of RAM and a Debian-based 32-bit
Linux distro.
I apologize for the rudeness of what I'm going to say, but stop
creating 32-bit distributions is a decision that seems taken by people
living in New York, having computers with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSDs,
and believing that the rest of the world lives like them.
Regards.

El vie., 21 de jun. de 2019 a la(s) 10:53, Erich Eickmeyer
(er...@ericheickmeyer.com) escribió:
Hello Steve,
 >Last year, the Ubuntu developer community considered the question of
 whether
 >to continue carrying forward the i386 architecture in the Ubuntu
 archive for
 >future releases.[1]  The discussion at the time was inconclusive,
but in
 >light of the strong possibility that we might not include i386 as a
release
 >architecture in 20.04 LTS, we took the proactive step to disable
upgrades
 >from 18.04 to 18.10 for i386 systems[2], to avoid accidentally
stranding
 >users on an interim release with 9 months of support instead of
letting
 them
 >continue to run Ubuntu 18.04 LTS with its 5 years of standard
support.
 >
 >In February of this year, I also posted to communicate the timeline
in
 which
 >we would take a final decision about i386 support in 20.04 LTS[3],
namely,
 >that we would decide in the middle of 2019.
 >
 >The middle of 2019 has now arrived.   The Ubuntu engineering team
has
 >reviewed the facts before us and concluded that we should not
continue to
 >carry i386 forward as an architecture.   Consequently, i386 will not
be
 >included as an architecture for the 19.10 release, and we will
shortly
 begin
 >the process of disabling it for the eoan series across Ubuntu
 >infrastructure.
 >
 >While this means we will not provide 32-bit builds of new upstream
versions
 >of libraries, there are a number of ways that 32-bit applications
can
 >continue to be made available to users of later Ubuntu releases, as
 detailed
 >in [4].   We will be working to polish the 32-bit support story over
the
 >course of the 19.10 development cycle.  To follow the evolution of
this
 >support, you can participate in the discourse thread at [5].
 >
 >[1]
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-May/040310.html
 >[2]
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/1:18.10.10
 >[3]
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-February/040598.html
 >[4]
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2018-May/040348.html
 >[5]
 
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/i386-architecture-will-be-dropped-starting-with-eoan-ubuntu-19-10/11263/2
 It took me a while to reach this decision, but I believe my response
is
 in order.
 I really wish the flavor leads had been consulted prior to this
decision
 being made. You yourself even sponsored a package back in March that
is
 directly affected by this decision.
 One of the biggest features of Carla being in the repositories is
that
 it allows a WINE Bridge for Windows-based VST plugins, the vast
majority
 of which are STILL compiled in 32-bit. Without 32-bit support, this
 feature is dead. This makes converting to Ubuntu Studio from Windows
 especially hard on those who rely on Windows VST plugins, the vast
 majority for which there is no Linux alternative. If this WINE bridge
 disappears due to this decision, so does a large part of our user
base.
 We're talking a huge chunk of professional recording studios and
artists
 that would rather not be running Windows.
 I understand this decision has been made, but with my 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] i386 architecture will be dropped starting with eoan (Ubuntu 19.10)

[lukefromdc]

It may take a while for New York City's used electronics to percolate
down to thefavelas in Rio or back streets in San Salvador, and longer
yet to rural Africaand other places will a smaller population of
migrants to the US who can sendstuff home.
As a practical matter this may mean using older versions of distros,
which oftenperform better on old hardware anyway. At an extreme case,
a Pentium 3 or aslightly faster (for some code) first-gen Atom netbook
that ran very well on 
Ubuntu Jaunty (9.10) might be a snail on any current distro. A
limiting factoris that many modern websites have so much javascript as
to slow these machinesto a crawl as the JS garbage collector runs up
against memory limits. Blocking JSand blocking ads (esepcially video
ads) is compulsory to run these machines onmany sites, Now sites like
Twitter disable loading with JS turned off, making thisproblem even
worse.  I don't know anything about Facebook, I keep them blocked.
Problem with rolling back to something like Jaunty (and thus fully
supporting the oldvideo cards etc) is that you don't get codec support
for any recent videos, includingones the CPU is damned well able to
play. Those old netbooks with exactly the rightcode can just barely
play 30fps 720p video so long as they are not asked to play itin a
browser. That's running something like an IceWM session. They can
still do it, 
but not at the same time as running anything else. Most have only 1GB
of RAM anduse about 10w for the whole system. Millions were considered
obsolete as peopleflocked to Apple's walled gardens and Google's
spyware in phones and tablets.

On 6/21/2019 at 4:24 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:On Fri, 21 Jun 2019
11:33:53 -0400, Luigino Bracci wrote:
>I apologize for the rudeness of what I'm going to say, but stop
>creating 32-bit distributions is a decision that seems taken by
people
>living in New York, having computers with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSDs,
>and believing that the rest of the world lives like them.

Hi,

to put it in a nutshell, EOL of 18.04 LTS is April 2028, you shouldn't
expect that a lot of i386 or even other 32-bit architecture could be
artificially maintained much longer. To some extend you could take the
soldering station and make one computer out of two computers. However,
at some point there aren't enough IDE drives available anymore. There
likely will be a lot of climate agreements in the future, so also
consider that power consumption of old machines will become an issue,
especially for developing countries. Today we already have a lot of
less power consuming, but already aged 64-bit machines, that are not
much used by those rich New Yorkers anymore, but ready to become a
donation.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio Handbook

[lukefromdc]

A worry in any distro including WINE in thr default install would be that the 
distro would no longer be immune to Windows malware, at least not to those 
varients that run in WINE. A single report of a user's audio files getting 
encrypted with ransomware would be very bad for the whole distro. 

On 2/22/2019 at 3:27 AM, "Ross Gammon"  wrote:
>
>On 2/20/19 6:28 PM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>> Well, the good news with this is that Carla is very close to 
>being
>> included. If nothing else we're putting it in the backports PPA. 
>While
>> the Windows bridges won't be included if you just install Carla, 
>the
>> bridges are available as separate sub-packages installable from 
>the
>> command line, Synaptic, or (my personal favorite) Muon.
>
>I can understand why Carla does not depend on the Windows bridges
>(installing these should be a user choice - many use a "Free as in
>freedom" Operating System for a reason :-) ).
>
>But wine is in the universe as far as I can tell. Is there any 
>reason
>why we could not add the bridges to our seeds if "most" Audio users
>would appreciate it?
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Possible explanation of my problems with Ubuntu Studio 18.10 and video may require more than 768MB in some cases

[lukefromdc]

A recent round of fixes for another Spectre varient that got backported into
linux 1.19 and reverted in 1.20, then revised, and finally a new version written
caused major CPU slowdowns but was not reported to balloon memory use.
The revised code fixed most of the performance issues by limiting the change
to security-sensitive code rather than all code.

Much about this on phoronix.com


On 12/5/2018 at 11:26 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:27:15 -0500, Mike Squires wrote:
>>I wonder if it might have something to do with the security 
>updates
>>for the various problems like Spectre.
>
>You could disable those mitigations, but they unlikely cause that 
>kind
>or performance issue.
>
>Read this thread, IOW this request and _all_ follow-ups:
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-
>November/295911.html
>
>Especially care about
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-
>November/295924.html.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs

[lukefromdc]

All I've ever noticed is the issue with multiple filemanagers starting at once, 
but
I've only ever extensively used one at a time (normally MATE) so might not spot
other issues

On 10/11/2018 at 12:31 AM, "Jonathan Aquilina"  wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>If the below is accurate what issues could be encountered in terms 
>of configuration?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 10 Oct 2018, at 23:17, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> The "main DE's" now are at least GNOME, Cinnamon, MATE,KDE, 
>XFCE,and LXDE
>> and probably more.
>> 
>>> On 10/10/2018 at 2:11 AM, "Jonathan Aquilina" 
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Len,
>>> 
>>> Aren’t there just 3 Main DE’s. Correct me if I am wrong but 
>aren’t 
>>> you talking about corner cases here? Or are you also taking 
>into 
>>> consideration window managers?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On 08 Oct 2018, at 00:05, Len Ovens  wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 15:27:25 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>> Most DE's are designed not to conflict with any other DE
> 
> Yesno :D, for some more or less exceptional cases, regarding 
>so 
>>> called
> major DEs, you and I know better :p. A "conflict" might not 
>be 
>>> the right
> term for some issues, users could experience.
> 
> I would reduce it to switching between window mangers, never 
>>> does cause
> an issue, but switching between desktop environments not 
>>> necessarily
> does, but always could come with a pitfall.
 
 The main thing is user config files which may be the same 
>>> filename from DE to DE or worse, one DE might expand a user 
>config 
>>> file in a way another might not understand. Also, if there is a 
>>> studio specific login and a DE login for the same DE, whichever 
>>> login you use first will set user configs in the way that login 
>>> sets up. Most DEs have a DE specific sub directory of .config, 
>but 
>>> in the case where the DE is just a modified version of another 
>>> DE... who knows.
 
 In general most people pick the DE they want and always use it.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs

[lukefromdc]

The "main DE's" now are at least GNOME, Cinnamon, MATE,KDE, XFCE,and LXDE
and probably more.

On 10/10/2018 at 2:11 AM, "Jonathan Aquilina"  wrote:
>
>Hi Len,
>
>Aren’t there just 3 Main DE’s. Correct me if I am wrong but aren’t 
>you talking about corner cases here? Or are you also taking into 
>consideration window managers?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 08 Oct 2018, at 00:05, Len Ovens  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2018, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> 
 On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 15:27:25 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com 
>wrote:
 Most DE's are designed not to conflict with any other DE
>>> 
>>> Yesno :D, for some more or less exceptional cases, regarding so 
>called
>>> major DEs, you and I know better :p. A "conflict" might not be 
>the right
>>> term for some issues, users could experience.
>>> 
>>> I would reduce it to switching between window mangers, never 
>does cause
>>> an issue, but switching between desktop environments not 
>necessarily
>>> does, but always could come with a pitfall.
>> 
>> The main thing is user config files which may be the same 
>filename from DE to DE or worse, one DE might expand a user config 
>file in a way another might not understand. Also, if there is a 
>studio specific login and a DE login for the same DE, whichever 
>login you use first will set user configs in the way that login 
>sets up. Most DEs have a DE specific sub directory of .config, but 
>in the case where the DE is just a modified version of another 
>DE... who knows.
>> 
>> In general most people pick the DE they want and always use it.
>> 
>> --
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>> www.ovenwerks.net
>> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs

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The external green drive issue is really a firmware bug, with that 4 second 
spindown interval that gradually kills the drive unless it is run under very
limited circumstances. I would not support removing GVFS from MATE,
Cinnamon, or GNOME simply to crutch this situation. The correct fix would
be to add the abiiity to blacklist a known bad drive from being managed
by GVFS. Without GVFS the Nautilus-based file managers can be run but
won't be able to mount or unmount drives. I would sooner trash my one
surviving Caviar Green drive than give that up. 

I had three of those clunkers, ran an HDPARM script against all three to 
stop the 4 second spindowns. A long time later, one died of a board 
failure and the other died of platter issues probably caused by having run
those fixes too late. These drives should not be used in regular service
at all, and if run every couple weeks to take a backup won't be damaged
by the spindown issue as they simply won't get enough use.

One way to stop the spindowns can be done as a user script that touches
any file on the offending drive at two-second intervals as a "keep-alive" to
force the drive to keep running.

Again, these drives are defective hardware and should be warned about and
workarounds offered, rather than removing features from file managers
for all users to deal with them.

On 10/7/2018 at 4:30 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 22:22:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>let alone of e.g. panels that might be replaced after using a file
>>manager of another desktop environment.
>
>this should read panels _and wallpapers_ ;)
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs

[lukefromdc]

I have never heard of a metapackage for a DE that removes another
DE, they just install the selected DE in addition. Most DE's are designed
not to conflict with any other DE, which is why forks of GNOME such as
Cinnamon and MATE rename every forked package.

Metapackages in Debian install packages and theirt dependences,
and would not remove anything unless a package in the metapackage
depends list (or the metapackage itself) is listed as replacing the 
package to be removed. Even that would not remove the dependencies
of the removed package, which instead might come up listed as 
"no longer required" and thus the user can remove them if desired.

On 10/7/2018 at 2:17 AM, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>I do like this direction things are going to be fair with the 
>below 
>suggestion.
>
>Just some food for thought. Let us say i install normal ubuntu. if 
>i 
>install the meta package for kde version of studio obviously the 
>gnome 
>stuff will be removed and then the new KDE stuff will be installed 
>right?
>
>
>On 2018-10-03 17:07, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>> To answer the initial question, Plasma will not be installable 
>from an
>> ISO, but will be available in the repositories. Unfortunately 
>spinning
>> a new iso for Plasma has proven to be time prohibitive, so a 
>direction
>> that is being considered is to add a meta package to a Kubuntu 
>install
>> to convert it into Ubuntu Studio (and have metapackages 
>available to
>> convert other flavors as well). Yes, that adds an extra step, but
>> it’s the most logical solution considering our manpower and time
>> allotment.
>> 
>> Erich
>> 
>> -
>> 
>> FROM: 20104043740n behalf of
>> SENT: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:17 AM
>> TO: Ubuntu Studio Development
>> SUBJECT: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs
>>   It would be interesting to have end users choose which DE they 
>want.
>> as
>> it stands everyone one has their own preferene I prefer KDE 
>others on
>> this list like gnome.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> On 2018-10-03 15:31, Charlie wrote:
>>> will KDE plasma be available upon release of the final version 
>of
>>> 18.10 or will it be offered later? or will it be an option 
>during
>>> installation?
>>> 
>>> Charlie Luna
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio - hangs on shutdown/restart

[lukefromdc]

I don't see any references in your logfile to mounting or unmounting 
filesystems,
but since it got as far as shutting down or trying to shut down systemd, they 
should
be getting unmounted before the hang.

Most linse in your logs were truncated but this line implies you have 
sucessfully umounted
all filesystems, after which a forced power cycle cannot corrupt the 
filesystems:

Aug 27 16:14:02 lavoko-HP-Pavilion-Notebook systemd[1]: user@1000.service: 
Killing process 976 (systemd) with signal SIGKILL.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio - hangs on shutdown/restart

[lukefromdc]

Might be a kernel hang with your hardware, I've seen such problems come and go
with Linux over the years, usually hanging just before poweroff and after all 
filesystems
have been unmounted. I would just power cycle when this happens and treat the 
machine
as usable. If logs show you are NOT getting all the filesystems unmounted this 
would get
a little chancier but data should always be backed up anyway.

I for one have never lost data or encountered filesystem corruption due to 
shutoff hangs, 
but also always have good backups.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio For Musicians handbook

[lukefromdc]

I am not on that list and will not be pursuing this matter any farther.

>
>Luke,
>
>I understand your frustrations on this, but I'm afraid it will 
>fall on
>deaf ears in this mailing list since the issues don't seem to be
>specific to Ubuntu Studio.
>
>Peter can correct me if I'm wrong, but I would say technical stuff 
>like
>that is far beyond the scope of this handbook. It might seem like
>something easy to teach but in reality, it's not. I will say, 
>however,
>that there can be an area on the wiki for that, although, since 
>it's not
>Ubuntu Studio specific and applies to Ubuntu as a whole, it should 
>be
>included in the main Ubuntu wiki.
>
>Remember, Ubuntu Studio is, to put it simply, a customized version 
>of
>Ubuntu. Under-the-hood things like UEFI, BIOS, and other items are 
>not
>within the scope of the Ubuntu Studio development team. For those
>things, there's the main ubuntu-devel mailing list.
>
>The scope of the Ubuntu Studio development team consists of the
>ubuntustudio-* packages primarily. We do not develop Ubiquity (the
>Ubuntu installer program). It is developed by the main Ubuntu
>development team.
>
>Also, and I cannot emphasize this enough, none of the Ubuntu Studio
>developers are paid to do this. It is a completely volunteer 
>project.
>
>With that said, Luke, please take these frustrations to the ubuntu-
>devel
>mailing list so that the main Ubuntu Development team can have a 
>go to
>address these issues.
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio For Musicians handbook

[lukefromdc]

One place you may need more detail (or to tell people to look online for it
is the mess created by UEFI and secure boot for new installs on 
computers from the Windows 8 and later eras. The advice given about trying
from a USB stick and how easy it is applies only to machines with a real BIOS
(sold with Windows 7 and earlier or rare Linux preinstalls). or to machines on 
which someone else has already disabled secure boot at least. Unless US 
installers are using a SIGNED kernel(this I do not know), they are not going to 
boot US  on 
anything that still has Secure Boot turned on. Legacy boot should not be needed,
but will of course work fine if someone has already turned it on while turning 
Secure Boot
off.  Also, there are some junk Lenovo laptops that do a string check to block 
everything 
but Windows 8 and RHEL, but will boot other OS's if the boot executable is 
renamed to march
either of those.

I had to install Ubuntu on one laptop for a friend that was an almost exact 
copy of a 
machine she had that died-except for a later UEFI version. The new version was 
buggy, 
and could not boot any linux distro without updating the UEFI again, which had 
to be done
from within Windows 10. For someone not willing to activate Win10, that's a 
return to the store. My friend had paid a local techician $90 just to rid her 
first of these
machines of Windows 10, and that second one would have been even more had I not 
been
able to find the issue. Without my own (running) machine to access the Internet 
it would not
have been possible to even research what was wrong other than from inside 
Windows 10.

There are some Win10 machines that cannot even get to the UEFI screen except 
from
inside Windows (and AFTER activating Windows) unless you can remove the 
drive (not possible if soldered down or too hard to disassemble) or otherwise
forcibly cause boot failure. These are the ones with "fast boot" enabled. This 
skips
things like initializing the keyboard, USB etc  in firmware,  so there is no 
way to even
ask for a USB boot much less execute one until fast boot is turned off.
Some have reported success with repeated power cycling during boot to simulate
a failure of Windows to boot.  but I have not played with one of those "fast 
boot" machines 
so I do not know.

More recently, when I my good BIOS-based Atom netbook died, the closest
replacment was a bottom-barrel Chromebook. Unfamiliar with the process for
wiping Chrome and installing only a real distro, it took me hours JUST TO GET
ROOT so I could reset the bootloader to accept anything other than Chrome.
"Developer mode" was not enough, and getting to a terminal without creating
a Google Account required a lot of though and non-obvious procedures.  I almost
returned it to the store before I finally figured it out. I had to among other 
things 
create a dummy wireless hotspot with no Internet access to get past the "connect
to the Internet" part of intiial startup, not knowing it could  F-2 to a 
terminal like
any other Linux install.

Had I removed the disk and directly installed to it first, I would have been 
unable
to turn on legacy boot, as the Coreboot varient used in that version of Google 
Chrome can only
be reset to allow USB and legacy boot from inside Chrome OS!  Withing 
theChromeOS
command line, if you try to set a  root password and fail, you are all the way 
locked
out until you "powerwash" to reset to factory. The OS I was installing was an 
image of
one installed on a BIOS machine, thus itself was only bootable by legacy boot 
on anything.

Newcomers would be much better off with either a desktop build new from parts 
(so Windows was never installed, no Intel Boot Guard, and an easy to reach UEFI 
setup page) or from a sufficiently powerful older machine with a real BIOS, 
meaning
one that came with Windows 7 or older. Newer laptops can be brutally difficult, 
and 
I do not advise spending money on such a machine unless you specifically need a 
laptop. Also especially avoid Lenovo-not worth a penny unless the exact model 
involved
passes an online search for bootability with Linux, or you aready have it. 
Lenovo is
infamous for actively malicious UEFI code, such as the above-mentioned string 
check, and in another case reinstalling Windows bloatware removed by users.

Some Win10 machines (those  shipped with Fastboot turned off) are as easy as 
BIOS machines that 
were not  factory set for USB boot to get going, others are impossible without 
updates to 
buggy firmware. If buying a new or used Windows 8 or later machine, you need to 
check exactly
what you are buying oneline prior to purchase.

At least in the case of Chromebooks they are most consistant: actually harder 
to get to
boot real Linux with Chrome removed, but as they use Coreboot all of them can 
be 
eventually rooted and made to run UbuntuStudio or any other recent distro. You 
may
very well need that external soundcard though, as the onboard sound may not work
or may work only 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Agenda for 2018-05-05/themes

[lukefromdc]

You mentioned getting a dark theme to work well and keep working well. 
My modded and ported version of the old UbuntuStudio theme works very
well for what I use it for (because I myself ensure it does), but last time
I tried the "refactoring" branch of Kdenlive a whole section did not work
even though it was in beta and the them normally works with qt5ctl so long
as the gtk2 compatability module is installed (had to locally compile that a 
few times).

On 5/6/2018 at 12:41 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Sat, 05 May 2018 11:49:26 -0700, ikemons...@gmail.com wrote:
>>On Saturday, May 5, 2018 11:33:49 AM PDT Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> Maintaining a theme that works good for all apps is very hard.  
> 
>>
>>That's why you try to pick something already in the repos. :)
>
>Apart from choosing a theme that's alright for GTK2 as well as GTK3
>apps, it might be important to find a theme, that is close to those
>available by qt5ct. Some environments likely don't require qt5ct, 
>but
>IIRC an uniform look of GTK and Qt apps always is tricky.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[lukefromdc]

Moving to MATE would be a great idea., would in my judgement go a long way
to restore the UbuntuStudio of old. Rather close in fact to what ended up doing 
with Debian, with my video and audio programs running over MATE (which I am
a developer at these days) and my updated forks of the old GTK and icon themes.

On 4/2/2018 at 7:09 PM, "Erich Eickmeyer"  wrote:
>
>Hi Len,
>
>> On Apr 2, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Len Ovens  wrote:
>> 
>> On Mon, 2 Apr 2018, Thomas Pfundt wrote:
>> 
>>> On April 2, 2018 1:15 PM, Set Hallstrom  
>wrote:
 if you feel you want to set-up a meeting you should feel free 
>to go ahead and do so by inviting everyone to attend on a given 
>date in a given chat room. :)
>>> I have no problem with setting up a meeting, but I don't really 
>feel qualified enough to curate it. I suppose it would be 
>beneficial to have someone with a clear vision on where to pick 
>things up, in a sense.
>> 
>> Just think like you are starting over. Don't be afraid of 
>stepping on people's toes.
>
>There are some that are already taking that attitude, 
>unfortunately. Set is helping me with quite a bit with the 
>handoff, but it seems as though I’m meeting resistance from some.
>
>> While I also don't like Cadence that much (last time I tried it 
>was a long time ago), I am picky and don't use qjackctl for 
>anything other the connections window. I have my own script that 
>does what I happen to want. I had started to mangle ubuntustudio-
>controls in a way that I thought would work best for beginners. It 
>allowed using a USB mic (one of the most common causes of problems 
>these days) by just plugging it in. It handles hot plugged USB 
>audio devices as well as using the internal MB audio along with 
>PCI(e) interfaces. It also allows using the pulse-jack bridge even 
>when jack is set to freerunning. However, I have been too busy to 
>finish it.
>
>This would be amazing. I’m not much of a coder, but if you can 
>find someone to hand that off to, or if you could find the time to 
>finish it (at lest to an alpha stage) that would be great.
>
>> In short, the things that (so far as I know) keep cadence from 
>being better are:
>> 
>> - it does not unload module-udev-detect and module-alsa-card 
>from pulse
>>  (required for reliable pulse-jack bridging)
>> - does not deal with hotpluged USB audio
>> - it does not deal with two or more audio devices
>> 
>
>I totally get that. My goal is to lower the barrier-to-entry. I 
>can’t tell you how long it took me to figure out Jack. In all 
>honesty, Cadence made it easy, especially with the Catia patchbay 
>(much like patchage, but actually maintained).
>
>> Another project that would be great to see added to US is 
>https://github.com/jhernberg/udev-rtirq to replace the standard 
>rtirq.
>> The standard rtirq only works at startup and only with devices 
>that are ready before it runs. udev-rtirq gives hot plugged audio 
>interfaces raised priority as well.
>
>Good to know.
>
>> To add to all that there is something new that will be facing us 
>called pipewire. How well that will work remains to be seen, but 
>the auther at least seems to be talking to the right people and it 
>seems it will not be another pulseaudio replacement that doesn't 
>meet pro-audio needs. (one hopes)
>
>I’ve personally spoken to the developer of Pipewire, and it seems 
>to be a decent replacement and/or augmentation to Jack or to 
>replace Pulseaudio. It’s something that my friend Noah Chelliah 
>(Noah of the Ask Noah Show and formerly of the Linux Action Show) 
>has been watching closely. With my new role here with Ubuntu 
>Studio, I plan on watching Pipewire closely. It has potential to 
>be really good.
>
>> Some people have asked about DE. We have since Gnome2 was 
>depricated, used xfce as being the best replacement so far as 
>usablility, stability, light on CPU. Unity has come and gone \o/ 
>and Gnome session has settled down and will likely become the next 
>ubuntu de (? anyone know?) Also, the average used computer has 
>changed in this time as well (the P$ is not common any more) and 
>ubuntu is even thinking of dropping 32bit CPU support. The purpose 
>for sticking to xfce is perhaps no longer there (though it is stil 
>my personal favourite) and moving to something more standard my be 
>something to look at for the next lts (in two more years). Please 
>remember US is a working flavour, not a casual desktop that needs 
>to work the same as a phone. It has many more applications than an 
>email client and a browser and needs easy ways of discovering them 
>all. I personally have not yet found anything as good the old 
>win95 style dropdown menu (which was designed for the work 
>environment).
>
>> However, also remember that with only a few people helping out, 
>being able to use somebody else to do most of the DE stuff and 
>only add the applications and tweaks on top (in the same way we 
>have been 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[lukefromdc]

I've always used qjackctl if I needed to set up something non-default in jack,
had little trouble with it. Even used it on a netbook for a while to set up 
sound
to deal with mono files (not supported in harware on that machine) by running
jack, which was much lighter on that machine running directly on ALSA than 
pulseaudio of that era was, as well as easy to turn on and off.

On 4/2/2018 at 3:11 PM, "Erich Eickmeyer"  wrote:
>
>Hi Thomas,
>
>> On Apr 2, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Thomas Pfundt t...@protonmail.ch> wrote:
>> 
>> On April 2, 2018 4:33 PM, Erich Eickmeyer 
> wrote:
>>> FalkTX has just released Cadence v0.9.0, having finished 
>porting it to Qt5.
>>> This would definitely be another reason we should consider 
>moving from
>>> QJackCtl to Cadence, along with the extra tools Cadence 
>includes.
>> 
>> Without using as much of a harsh tone as Ralf, I'd also not 
>really be in favour of that, personally. I've used Cadence as well 
>for its one-click-connection functionaliy when I first started 
>using Ubuntu Studio, but have retired it shortly after, because I 
>felt that the configuration and setup options wouldn't allow me to 
>adjust it the way I needed to. This may have changed now, I 
>haven't used it in quite a long time.
>
>I appreciate this. I’m much more open to reasonable discourse as 
>opposed to hurling insults. And, yes, Cadence is just as 
>configurable ad QJackCtl these days.
>
>> However, I don't really see that there's any particular 
>advantage in basic functionality over QJackCtl. You can basically 
>just pactl load-module module-jack-source / module-jack-sink for 
>Pulseaudio connections and add any other external audio devices 
>with alsa_in / alsa_out -d hw:X, as needed. I'd even say that the 
>QJackCtl Patchbay thingy to connect everything is extremely 
>persistent and just runs automatically once a specific setup is 
>saved and and activated. No need for tons of programs for a basic 
>setup, maybe there's just a lack of guidance in documentation 
>regarding different setups? But Cadence may do that as well now 
>and I just haven't seen it, yet.
>
>The advantage is that Cadence does the “pactl load-module…” 
>command for you, which would be much more appealing to newcomers, 
>especially those converting from Mac or Windows. And yes, the 
>QJackCtl is very persistent, and has that advantage over Cadence. 
>However, FalkTX is making strides with the Claudia module for full 
>session management, which definitely keeps connections persistent 
>and launches the apps for you. It does need some work, IMO, since 
>it relies heavily on LADISH and, in my experience, LADISH doesn’t 
>handle multiple Jack processes from the same app very well if at 
>all when it comes to using the graphical patchbay.
>
>My workflow involves launching Cadence to launch Jack and the 
>PulseAudio bridge, which then allows me to run Spotify through 
>PulseAudio patched to outputs 1 & 2 in my 32-channel audio 
>interface, then run Ardour to handle everything else via templates 
>I’ve made. But, that’s how I do things, your mileage may vary. :)
>
>> After all, can't hurt to offer it as well for those that would 
>like to use it. I guess I'd even take another look at it, if I 
>would't have to add the full Kxstudio repositories, first. But 
>then again, there's the issue of getting it into the official 
>repository to begin with.
>
>My goal is to at least get it included in the repos. It’s pretty 
>obvious that it won’t happen for the 18.04 cycle, but I don’t see 
>any reason why it can’t be done for 18.10. That said, I am also 
>very open to keeping QJackCtl. My vision involves making things 
>(to quote the KDE team) “Simple by default, powerful when needed.”
>
>That said, reading your thoughts was a breath of fresh air. I love 
>reading stuff like this and keeping open discussion.
>
>Thanks,
>Erich


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US still alive !

[lukefromdc]

What is probably going on is that linux users are installing the base
system, then using online search tools to find what programs they
need for their workflow and installing those programs..

On 3/28/2018 at 12:22 PM, pc...@laposte.net wrote:
>
>"That is something I hope to rectify. Since I have deep contacts 
>with
>some of the most listened-to linux podcasts, I hope to get the 
>word out
>that we’re still a thing."
>
>Of course you/we are ! :) Ubuntu studio is one of the (last and 
>best)
>audio/vidéo/photo distro for linux.
>stopped projects: Agnula, fervent softwate studio to go, 64studio, 
>outdated: Kxstudio 
>strange: Avlinux
>Librazik:  cannot install librazik on my computers maybe it's me 
>but
>seems install is broken 
>Planet CCRMA I don't know if it's still on alive, 
>tango studio, stopped etc.
>  
>16.0.4.4 LTS is really great, 18.04 preview is good too. Noticed 
>only
>few bugs with 18.04 lts.  
>I'm no dev but I can help with bug report if needed
>I took a lot of photos of my country several years ago, 
>I needed I can give them for screensavers or themes.  (Must find 
>them
>lol they are on an old DVD)
>
>Linux world  need almost ONE distro for creation.
>But when I take a look to twitter/google+ US accounts, the  ... 
>last
>messages sent by Ubuntu Studio are very old ( summer 2016)
>So you/we cannot expect new users.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artsy testing

[lukefromdc]

There have been long-standing complaints about Linux systems in general becoming
unresponsive when waiting on the hard drive for something. Pretty sure this 
can't be
fixed at the distro level. 

On 2/14/2018 at 10:34 PM, "Helios Martinez Dominguez" 
 wrote:
>
>Greetings.
>
>After trying Artsy system, everything seems alright with the 
>exception of
>long standing hard disk activity which drops responsive behavior 
>when web
>browsing, even just closing the web browser, mouse and keyboard 
>drop
>functionality for long standing terms while there should be no 
>connection
>between driver's requests, hard disk activity should take a 
>different
>interruption request than mouse activity and keyboard activity, 
>and it
>probably does, even video memory seems affected as there is no 
>response
>from periferials devices, not even to switch between windows, they 
>simply
>freeze or slow down heavily. There is deactivation of swap memory 
>(sudo
>swapoff --all), web browser is configured with 0 KB cache and no 
>files are
>deliveratedly being accessed from any application, there is not any
>application loading in memory at the time so unresponsive behavior 
>coming
>from hard disk activity seems unjustified. I am running Artsy over 
>an AMD
>Dual-Core E-450 with 2 GB RAM, SATA Disk Drive and 100BaseT NIC 
>over 10Mbps
>connection.
>
>*Helios Martínez Domínguez*
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Our website

[lukefromdc]

First reason is to defeat Verizon's "UIDH" online tracking header 
https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/unique-identifier-header-faqs/
and no doubt to defeat similar tracking that other ISPs will roll out. They
are used as unblockable trackers for ad serving partners but do not work
with https because they require modification of content. I would not visit
any non-https website over Verizon mobile due to that header, and also 
would  not buy Internet service from Verizon mobile.

The UIDH header, unlike cookies, supercookies, and machine fingerprinting
cannot be blocked at the browser level The only defense is https, and if
enough of the net moves to https the incentive for other telecoms to develop
similar tracking schemes is ended.

In the same way,  https prevents an attacker from modifying a downloaded
file in  transit without replacing the certificate to decrypt the content and 
then re-encrypt it, which requires the replacement certificate.

That will trigger a warning in browser. A user who clicks through the warning
will still get the botted file. An example of such a modified file could be a
custom compiled binary claiming to be from almost any source that adds
a keylogger binary and a systemd unit to start it up on every reboot. 

Some years ago a Russian malicious Tor exit node was caught patching binary
files that moved through it other than via https, and Trobrowser now includes
the https everywhere extension due among other things to this form of attack.

Many feel that all of the Internet should move to https simply to remove
the usefulness of governmental bulk surveillance tools, many of which 
cannot handle https for "off the wire" surveillance. Thus the existance of
things like the "https everywhere" extension for Firefox.

On 5/30/2017 at 3:12 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>I had this conversation on IRC. Anyone know if this is a problem? 
>My web 
>understanding is old.
>
>---
>--
>06:11 < mchelen> any reason why ubuntustudio.org doesn't default 
>to HTTPS?
>07:56 < OvenWerks> mchelen: no idea.
>09:15 < mchelen> OvenWerks: it's not great security practice, 
>given that 
>there are links to .iso downloads (which are also HTTP)
>09:50 < OvenWerks> mchelen: that may be true, however, web page 
>setup is 
>not my thing. I am not sure who is doing web stuff right now.
>09:59 < mchelen> OvenWerks: ok, yeah I wasn't sure where to create 
>an 
>issue or anything
>09:59 < OvenWerks> mchelen: do you know if xubuntu's site is any 
>different? I think the same person worked on both
>10:01 < mchelen> OvenWerks: visiting http://xubuntu.org correctly 
>redirects to https
>10:04 < OvenWerks> mchelen: I will drop this coversation on the 
>dev 
>mailing list and see what comes from it.
>10:36 < mchelen> OvenWerks: ok thanks! hopefully its just a matter 
>of 
>creating a redirect
>---
>---
>My understanding, is that https is useful when personal info is 
>shared 
>over the net. ubuntustudio.org is, so far as I can tell, one way. 
>That is, 
>we provide info/files and the user DL them, they do not sign in or 
>give 
>comments or anything. Am I missing something?
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Next cycle

[lukefromdc]

I have never, ever left auto updating turned on because i often can't
spare the bandwidth, may be using an IP address I  don't want to make 
non-Tor connections from, or cannot spare the CPU load on the netbook.
I have yet to have a use case where I could get away with it on something
other than a server(for which it may be crucial).

On 5/19/2017 at 5:59 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Fri, 19 May 2017, Ross Gammon wrote:
>
>> On 05/17/2017 12:38 AM, eylul wrote:
>>> Disabling auto-updates should NEVER be the default, period. It 
>would
>>> leave users system vulnerable to attacks.
>
>Strongly dissagree on that one. Auto updates are performed on no 
>real time 
>schedule and often happen while the user is trying to do 
>something. If 
>auto updating _must_ be done then it should be moved to cron and 
>the user 
>should be asked to choose the time. If autoupdates are turned off, 
>there 
>_is_ a warning Icon that shows up in the top bar that says "hey 
>you 
>haven't updated for a while would you like to check for updates." 
>That is 
>good enough. The user can choose when that happens. This also 
>avoids the 
>"hey I need Chromium so a can join a meeting on hangouts but I 
>can't 
>download it because some other process is up dating my system for 
>some 
>unknown amount of time."
>
>> Fair enough (considering there are other use cases for US than 
>audio work).
>
>Auto update can be anoying no matter what kind of work is being 
>done. It 
>slows compile times, graphic render times (so video too) and 
>introduces 
>those "it works most of the time but every once in a while" kinds 
>of bugs.
>
>>> Users can turn off the auto-updates if they want to.(Go to
>>> "software" -> "Updates". You can change how often the 
>system
>>> checks for updates, it currently only downloads and installs
>>> automatically security updates, and displays the rest.) 
>Advanced users
>>> can make that choice. It is not ours to make.
>
>It is very much our choice to make. High disk/network/cpu load 
>activities 
>should _never_ be run without user request on a work machine. The 
>user 
>should have to work hard to screw up their system, it should not 
>be done 
>for them (automatically).
>
>> Well - I prefer to check what the updates are before installing 
>them.
>> Sometimes, they can be quite disruptive (e.g. temporarily 
>disabling
>> something). It might be better to pull the internet cable out 
>instead ;-)
>
>Yup, one more reason for no auto updating.
>
>  ---
>In thinking about auto mounting of media I realize that we 
>probably don't 
>need it. Automounted or not, the devices icon shows up in the file 
>browser 
>anyway... so what does automount gain besides opening a new window 
>in the 
>middle of things? Does it improve a workflow?
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Next cycle

[lukefromdc]

GTK3 itself brings hidpi support to its widgets. That means GTK3 desktops
should support it. I only have 1920x1080 as my largest monitor, but GtkInspector
allows testing hidpi scaling, with 1.0 and 2.0 times default size options. I can
verify that this works in MATE for mate-panel and Caja (desktop/folder icons) 
though double-sizing everything runs out of space fast on my monitor.

GNOME (Ubuntu default), Cinnamon, and now MATE all use Gtk3 and should
all offer at least partial hidpi support. Not sure if this works for 
everything, and
Gtk2 apps will remain problematic no matter what the desktop environment.

On 4/13/2017 at 5:10 PM, "eylul"  wrote:
>
>Len thanks for this. A lot of interesting thoughts here. Opinions, 
>etc
>ahead. :)
>
>> Auto mounting - we used to make sure there was no auto mounting 
>of USB
>> drives, cds or dvds. But since we have started borrowing 
>xubuntu's
>> desktop, that has come back in. IMO this is bad for audio use at 
>least
>> (anything auto is). However, I realize I am audio centric. How 
>does
>> this align with graphics/video use which are in general not real 
>time
>> or low latency tasks.
>Yes, it is best for design/art people to have automount (its 
>already
>hard to bring design/art people to unfamiliar ground, more 
>intuitive
>behavior, the better), turning it off could be a good addition to 
>the
>-controls through if it is feasible? If not I think it is worth
>discussing pros and cons and more details on what the problem is. 
>If it
>is seriously hindering audio creators, I'll take not hindering one 
>side
>in price of being a bit less intuitive to other side.
>>
>> Auto updating - same as above. But to add to it, I noticed that
>> autoupdating installs new kernels in background. However, there 
>seems
>> to be no background old kernel clean up. I don't use efi myself, 
>but I
>> understand that efi uses a separate boot partition of minimal 
>size and
>> could become full with no warning... perhaps making updates or 
>booting
>> broken. I would guess this not just a Studio problem... though 
>if it
>> is then the solution must be hanging around already. Needs study 
>in
>> any case.
>considering autoupdates fixes security issues among other things I 
>would
>go with they need to stay. In terms of the kernel issue, I do use 
>efi, I
>never ran out of space in that manner until now, but still filing 
>a bug
>about this could be useful?
>>
>> whisker menu - I still hate it :) But if we are going to keep it 
>(I
>> always go back to the system menu on my systems) can we at least
>> resize it so that the menu categories are all visible by 
>default...
>> and enable hover so that click on category is not needed. I 
>understand
>> that having the search window there is nice for some people... 
>but I
>> just don't seem to come up with valuable search terms ever... my 
>brain
>> and whoever sets seach data just don't match. (probably means I'm
>> abnormal)
>My personal disagreement with this aside (I actually use the 
>search bar
>to launch a program often) :D I would caution against hover in
>particular as it is a gesture that is inaccessible to touchscreens
>(which are becoming more and more common on laptops). I assume 
>this is
>why whisker went with this approach actually.
>>
>> Can we change the default theme to Moheli or similar? There are 
>two
>> things I like in a theme:
>> The window with focus stands out - menu bar is a different 
>colour
>> The border needs to be wide enough to be easy to grab
>>
>> More than one workpace by default - I understand that I may work 
>a bit
>> different than others doing development on more than one project 
>at a
>> time. It is not unusual for me to have 30 or more windows open 
>at one
>> time. IDEs do try to make things so this is not needed... but my
>> workflow is just that way. This is why being able to resize 
>windows
>> and see which is focused are important.
>>
>> I understand that xubuntu is aimed at mainstream either browsing 
>or
>> one other app fullscreen use and so the desktop we end up with
>> reflects that. As content creators, how do the rest of us set up 
>their
>> desktops? Should changes be made? or am I really the odd one out?
>for me as an artists its usually only one, or two windows (e.g. 
>drawing
>+ reference image), and often 2 windows means 2 screens if 
>possible. (at
>least that has been my experience so far). I need the screen 
>estate to
>see what I am doing, more often than not. When doing creative 
>coding it
>ends up more of a mess with language references, and code and 
>preview
>window etc. :) Usually through if I have 20 windows up, it is 
>because I
>have been getting distracted and doing 3 things at once (for which 
>now I
>am trying to use workspaces and KDE activities) Window focus/menu 
>bar
>aspect is not critical for me in either direction but hard to grab
>borders are an issue regardless of how many windows one work with 
>tbh.
>(I have been using 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Seeds change

[lukefromdc]

For anything to pull in wine by default is a theoretical security risk, 
due to the great many cross-platform exploits that then install
Windows-only payloads. While most of these would fail on a Linux/wine
setup due to not being invoked within wine, a malware author could
probably fix that.

A user installing wine to run a Windows binary is doing so knowingly
and is aware that Windows binaries can be run. A user expecting a 
Linux machine to be unable to run Windows  binaries and relying on
that for security could get a surprise if they are unaware wine is installed.



On 4/6/2017 at 3:50 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Len Ovens wrote:
>
>> The seeds have been changed which will affect our next iso, but 
>I think the 
>> meta packages have to be regenerated to go with it. I am not 
>sure how to do 
>> that.
>
>I should add this is in response to LP: #1672412 which will make 
>lmms-vst-server not work. It will also effectivey make lp: 
>#1182604 go 
>away... though not in the way the OP would want I am sure.
>
>My opinion is that anything that drags in wine should be avoided. 
>Wine is 
>a great package, but it does cause stability problems with the OS 
>and (as 
>I found out) may replace some of the packages the n-vidia driver 
>installs... and maybe others. This causes a definite performance 
>hit as 
>well as stability issues. The user can install this packge at any 
>time if 
>they choose to do so.
>
>The wine package of old was 32bit only, I don't know if the new 
>one has a 
>64bit version as well but it should as windows has moved to 64bit 
>libs. 
>This leaves a VST host with a set of problems:
>   There are two vst standards vst2 and vst3. None of the linux vst 
>host
>   support vst3 at this time, though the headers have in the last 
>month been
>   released under a dual license one of which is GPL3 so I would 
>expect that
>   will change at least for lxvst.
>
>   vst-32 will not run on 64bit systems anyway
>
>   vst-64 will not run on 32bit systems either
>
>   unless multiarch libs are used (think bigger iso size)
>
>   The user has the confusion of vsts that work on one ubuntustudio
>   and not another, think unsolvable bug reports like lp: #1182604
>
>   Introducing instability for a small number of uses that in any
>   case is not complete anyway is just broken.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] -controls

[lukefromdc]

The CPU governor is easily controlled in any DE. Ubuntu offers 
indicator-cpufreq, which will also work as a tray applet when not
in Unity. I've used it in MATE, IceWM, Cinnamon, even gnome-shell
so it should have no trouble in XFCE either.  Many DE's offer their
own CPU governor controls (Cinnamon and MATE both do) but 
this one is cross-DE and can be used to set any available CPU
governor as needed. 

I normally turn it all the way up for video rendering due to Kdenlive
slowing on the OnDemand governor and use OnDemand for everything
else.


On 12/7/2016 at 7:16 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 7 Dec 2016, eylul wrote:
>
>> Lets assume I am an user. :)
>> I want to create a new boot setup (with system tweaks). I have 
>to set up
>> the system tweaks, twice on each tab. (or change the boot setup, 
>then be
>> mystified why settings aren't affected as I change them).
>
>The boot settings could change the now values as well, that would 
>be easy 
>enough. But the now values do not always want the boot values 
>changed. For 
>example a laptop user may wish to boot without performance to 
>extend 
>battery life only turning it on when needed. A desktop user who 
>does a lot 
>of sw building may like to have boost available for building (15 
>min is 
>better than 20)
>
>> Similarly presets doesn't help me at all, if I want to switch 
>back and
>> forth between 2 setups.(unless I want a preset change that also 
>affects
>> audio setup AND tablet setup AND boot setup). I have to change 
>things
>> manually to use the in session tweaks (and potentially look up 
>every
>> time what correct setting is).
>
>You want three sets of presets? It is doable I suppose. But if one 
>part 
>stays the same there is no need to change it every time, it will 
>still be 
>there from where the system is now. Maybe I don't understand. But 
>the 
>preset part right now is just a placeholder, it doesn't do 
>anything.
>
>> This is why it is important that the system tweaks are its own 
>profile,
>> where there can be a default one to use in boot.
>
>I am confused. maybe use exact values/parameter names to explain.
>
>> Similarly the current preset solution requires me to recreate 
>the audio
>> setup (and graphics setup) each time I create a preset for any 
>reason.
>
>Why? Only if it changes.
>
>> It makes much more sense for these to have their own profiles, 
>and
>> having a default one on boot. (then underlying structure can 
>deal with
>> issues like: does this mean jack is started on boot or not).
>
>Own profiles? I am not sure what you mean by a profile. Do you 
>mean own 
>tab? Do you want to rearange what is on each tab? That is not hard 
>to do.
>
>> Also each of these have different change rates:
>> * Boot decision is something that will likely rarely change.
>
>So it has it's own tab. It might make more sense for it to be the 
>last tab 
>rather than the first. I am just working from where things were 
>and 
>expanding.
>
>> * For audio: there might be a couple of profiles that switches 
>back and
>> forth (for 2 recording setups with different sample rates, or a 
>graphics
>> or gaming profile that turns off zita to avoid extra processing 
>power
>> waste. :D)
>
>While I understand this is just an example, it is probably best 
>practice 
>to find the rate that works best with your audio interface and 
>record, 
>edit, mix etc. at that rate. At export is the time (not realtime 
>BTW) to 
>decide what SR is right for distribution. In general most audio 
>cards work 
>best at 48000. (the analog filters are set to have the sweet spot 
>there) 
>That aside changing master device for jack is quite common for 
>laptops 
>that use a USB IF at home and mix to internal on the road. 
>Different 
>buffer sizes are also common with a larger buffer for mixdown than 
>for 
>tracking and a smaller buffer than either for live effects or 
>softsynth.
>
>> * Graphic tablet setup on the other hand, ideally changes every 
>time one
>> switches software! (one of the primary aspects of more 
>professional
>> tablets is that they have shortcuts buttons on the side and most
>> artists/designers like to adjust them to various shortcuts by 
>program
>> basis. Some open source programs do allow their own overrides 
>but not all)
>
>If a tablet shows itself as a file in /dev/input/ it is possible 
>to catch 
>tablet key press events. They could be mapped to whatever. In any 
>case, I 
>would like to add a tablet or graphics tab, but honestly don't 
>know what 
>setting are available let alone which way is which. Someone will 
>have to 
>tell me what they are and I will add them. A bash script or 
>command line 
>examples would be great.
>
>> Ralf is right in that too many choices will cause more user 
>problems in
>> the end, and that the GUI needs to be arranged based on how users
>> perceive what they are doing, rather than how we know things 
>actually
>> work under the hood. Some extra options (in this case, under the 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) released

[lukefromdc]

I noticed Kdenlive is at 16.04.3. This is smart, as Kdenlive 16.08 or GIT master
is another bugfest when using Movit (GPU effects). Seems to work fine without
GPU effects but 16.04 works well both with and without them.

On 10/15/2016 at 5:37 PM, "Set Hallstrom"  wrote:
>
>Hello everyone!
>
>Just a little cross-post to confirm what y'all probably already 
>know:
>Ubuntu Studio 16.10 Yakkety Yak is released \(^^.)/
>
>
>More information can be found here:
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
>
>Bellow you will find a copy of the official Ubuntu release mail.
>
>A huge thank you to everyone involved in this cycle! Y'all 
>deserves a
>huge hug and a free juice! It wasn't easy, but we made it!!! <3
>
>Hope you have a fantastic Saturday!
>
>Yours,
>Set AKA Sakrecoer
>
> Forwarded Message 
>Subject: Ubuntu 16.10 (Yakkety Yak) released
>Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 15:14:49 +
>From: Adam Conrad
>To: ubuntu-announce@
>CC: ubuntu-release@
>
>Codenamed "Yakkety Yak", Ubuntu 16.10 continues Ubuntu's proud 
>tradition
>of integrating the latest and greatest open source technologies 
>into a
>high-quality, easy-to-use Linux distribution.  The team has been 
>hard at
>work through this cycle, introducing new features and fixing bugs.
>
>Under the hood, there have been updates to many core packages, 
>including
>a new 4.8-based kernel, a switch to gcc-6, and much more.
>
>Ubuntu Desktop has seen incremental improvements, with newer 
>versions of
>GTK and Qt, updates to major packages like Firefox and 
>LibreOffice, and
>stability improvements to Unity.
>
>Ubuntu Server 16.10 includes the Newton release of OpenStack, 
>alongside
>deployment and management tools that save devops teams time when
>deploying distributed applications - whether on private clouds, 
>public
>clouds, x86, ARM, or POWER servers, z System mainframes, or on 
>developer
>laptops.  Several key server technologies, from MAAS to juju, have 
>been
>updated to new upstream versions with a variety of new features.
>
>The newest Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu 
>MATE,
>Ubuntu Studio, and Xubuntu are also being released today.  More 
>details
>can be found for these at their individual release notes:
>
>   
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseNotes#Official_flavours
>
>Maintenance updates will be provided for 9 months for all flavours
>releasing with 16.10.
>
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>
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>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Important: Ubuntu/Debian Security Hole

[lukefromdc]

I was thinking there is one way to slow down but not stop this attack at the 
server
level, and it works only if the package is both downloaded over https and 
signed:
that is to have the packages and their signing keys on one server and the ssh 
keys
on a physically different box, so any attack requires simultanious attacks on 
two 
machines. Any chance an account as big as Ubuntu on a cloud service would get
this simply because they were too big for one box(node)? 

On 8/31/2016 at 9:20 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 23:04:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:31:07 -0500, Yoshi wrote:
>>>There is allegedly a recently published security hole in the
>>>"Ubuntu/Debian update mechanism" involving authentication and
>>>signatures.  
>>
>>What is the source of this vague "information"?
>>
>>>You are welcome to forward this message as is to anyone else in 
>the
>>>Ubuntu Development community, but I won't be speculating on nor
>>>elaborating about the issue.  I'm not a programmer, so I 
>wouldn't know
>>>how to talk about it anyhow.  
>>
>>You already started talking about it.
>
>PS:
>
>On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:11:12 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>>Got to be reffering to this:
>>https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/08/powerful_bit-
>fl.html
>
>See
>  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2016-
>August/287193.html
>
>On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 03:11:29 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>For me this adds still more packages to what I have to build from
>>source, starting with the kernel.
>
>If the signing per se would be the real issue, then it wouldn't 
>matter
>if you check the source by it's key
>  https://www.kernel.org/signature.html
>or a binary package by it's key.
>
>Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Important: Ubuntu/Debian Security Hole

[lukefromdc]

This is REALLY ugly, and suggests keyservers be dedicated machines that
are not co-hosted with anything and don't co-host anything. Until then it
means GCHQ can probably crack Ubuntu's keys if they are hosted in the UK.

This sort of thing makes substituting binaries built from alternate source much
easier and far safer when an attacker knows nobody can check them. The 
"cloud" never has been safe and never can be safe, there will always be another
mode of attack. Keyservers are so sensitive they should be dedicated machines 
in locations that are either never left unguarded or at least protected by 
tamper-evident
physical seals(tell-tales).

For me this adds still more packages to what I have to build from source, 
starting 
with the kernel. I'm not making any new encryption keys on recently downloaded
binary kernels in light of this.

On 8/31/2016 at 2:11 AM, "Set Hallstrom"  wrote:
>
>On 2016-08-30 22:31, Yoshi wrote:
>>  security hole in the
>> "Ubuntu/Debian update mechanism" involving authentication and
>> signatures
>
>Got to be reffering to this:
>https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/08/powerful_bit-fl.html
>
>"breaking OpenSSH public-key authentication, and forging GPG 
>signatures
>from trusted keys"
>
>Sounds like hard times for security experts and the web of trust. 
>:(
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] i386 EOL plans for Ubuntu Studio?

[lukefromdc]

One issue in audio is that huge numbers of older 32 bit machines considered
"slower than smartphones" for huge, JS heavy websites and Internet video are
still as good for audio work as they ever were. The very first Pentium 4's were
able to run things like Audacity with no video rendering glitches for realtime
spectrum display, and back on 2004 I even did audio news reports on an 
original Pentium laptop and in another location on Pentium II's. On those
machines realtime spectrum display lagged badly but the recordings were fine.

On the other hand, using a phone for editing news audio would not be fun ay
all as fingers are not high precision pointers.

This being so, there is no reason for any existing set of dedicated audio 
workstations
to be replaced on grounds of hardware age unless they either deal with online 
(and 
overweight)  websites or have physically died of component failure. 

Newer distros may well decide to target newer machines simply to limit the 
range they
have to support, but if this is so the value of backporting newer editing 
programs into older
distros (as optional not mandatory updates) rises a lot.

On 7/19/2016 at 12:45 PM, "Set Hallstrom"  wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>Thanks for reaching out!
>
>On 2016-07-11 20:50, Bryan Quigley wrote:
>
>>
>> *Wait until after 18.04 and then reconsider dropping i386*
>>
>
>This is what i am in favor of.
>
>That is: I am also in favor of keeping 32bit version. I also value 
>the
>ecological aspect of reusing old machines, and motivating friends 
>and
>acquaintances to reuse their old machine as an excuse to introduce 
>them
>to FLOSS, as Len and Yoshi express. Given the small size of the 
>team,
>i'm sure we would save a lot of sweat by dropping 32-bit. But i 
>think
>that argument says more about the work we need to do to repopulate 
>the
>team, than what system we should support or not.
>
>On that note, i'd like to say: Welcome to the list, Yoshi. :)
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Video conferencing - was... something else

[lukefromdc]

One other thing you should check before committing to any kind of
video conferencing is that all intended participants have the bandwidth 
for it, as those without landlines might not.

On 7/10/2016 at 4:57 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Sun, 10 Jul 2016, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes, Google has issues-but if that led to ad networks using 
>Ubuntustudio 
>> instead of Windows
>> to make their ads, or to the NSA using UbuntuStudio to make 
>their 
>> presentations to politicans
>> I don't see how that would harm the project.
>
>:) I like that.
>
>Google hangouts doesn't bother me... no video anyway. I am still 
>not sure 
>what a video conference does that email/irc does not. Being able 
>to to see 
>the "whites of their eyes" is a boss thing, not generally someone 
>who 
>actually does some work... in my experience. But maybe I am being 
>grumpy.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[lukefromdc]

There is one limitation to "If the community prefers to use Google Hangouts, it 
would be highly 
counterproductive if you did not, particularly if you are a involved in the 
work being discussed."
That is that some people do not have Google accounts and in fact some people 
cannot make
them due to the "real names" policy and the Google policy of asking for SMS 
verification in
cases where they don't like the browser, the IP address, or think the personal 
information isn't
someone's real name. 

That may not apply if all those who would be actually participating in the 
discussion already
have Google accounts, but would apply to a discussion including one or more 
persons who 
do not have or want Google accounts for other reasons, or simply cannot make 
them. That's
not a matter of whether or not to oppose non-free services, but rather a matter 
of picking
a communications method that is physically usable by all participants. 

This is not about me, as most of my work these days is on MATE plus testing 
kdenlive git.
Don't worry about me not being on Google. Instead my advice is to  figure out 
if all the folks 
who would be using the  "hangout" already have accounts or not and go forward 
from there. 

Yes, Google has issues-but if that led to ad networks using Ubuntustudio 
instead of Windows
to make their ads, or to the NSA using UbuntuStudio to make their presentations 
to politicans
I don't see how that would harm the project.

On 7/10/2016 at 6:42 AM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
>
>On Sun, Jul 10, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>> On 2016-07-10 11:48, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>> > It would evidently exclude one person - the project lead, who 
>is not
>> > ready to be flexible enough to meet the needs of the rest of 
>the team.
>> 
>> I'm affraid it is not up to you to decide. And i find it 
>ironcial that
>> you of all past project leads invoke flexibility.
>> 
>> But sure, set up a vote: Who is the villain that should be 
>fired? Good
>> Ubuntu Studio spirit my friend.
>
>Not sure what you are talking about here. So, I will not comment on
>this.
>
>Also, though I can agree that I'm overly harsh with my words (as I 
>so
>often am), I would still rather focus on the issue at hand. Which 
>is
>about Google Hangouts.
>
>So, let me say this one last thing about the discussion whether we
>should or should not use Google Hangouts.
>
>1. Ubuntu Studio does not have a policy for/against Google 
>services.
>Historically we have used them plenty. So, historically it is 
>something
>we use. This means, though it is not in writing we actually do 
>have a
>policy for using Google services.
>2. It is your personal opinion that we should not use Google 
>Hangouts.
>If you prefer not to use them, start a discussion about it, and 
>see who
>is for/against. Since, in fact, it is no one who chooses that but 
>the
>community.
>3. If the community prefers to use Google Hangouts, it would be 
>highly
>counterproductive if you did not, particularly if you are a 
>involved in
>the work being discussed. And, you already knew coming to Ubuntu 
>Studio
>that we are not a political movement against non-free services 
>(where
>Google Hangouts can hardly be deemed as a threat against free and 
>open
>communication, rather the opposite). So, logic dictates that you 
>should
>use the services if the community wishes it.
>
>Jimmy knew this, out of experience. So, naturally, he would suggest
>using something like Google Hangouts for live communication.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[lukefromdc]

Maybe they should be reminded that they are using Linux every
time they connect to a webserver, fire up an Android phone, or
even use some embedded systems.  In some markets MS has
little more market share than Apple had in 1999-and even OSx
is just a proprietary Unix with a custom DE and window system;

On 7/7/2016 at 9:31 PM, "Devin"  wrote:
>
>On 07/07/2016 09:16 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> Why on Earth are they first going out of their way to buy Ubuntu 
>machines,
>> then installing Windows?
>
>When I asked, they said it is b/c those machines are cheaper. They
>already have a school license with Windows (perhaps 500 machines 
>or so)
>and they just use that to install school-wide on the (cheaper) 
>Ubuntu
>machines.
>
>Yeah, I think it is insane.
>
>What is making this even more difficult is the IT team has no idea 
>what
>GNU/Linux is--the guy said, "yeah, [One thing I regret as part of 
>my
>profession is that] I don't really know much about Linux."
>
>So, these people have gone their whole lives/careers without much
>hacking AT. ALL.
>
>...so, I am doing my best to get them up to speed. I gave them a 
>little
>GNU history lesson to begin with.
>
>Devin
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[lukefromdc]

Why on Earth are they first going out of their way to buy Ubuntu machines,
then installing Windows? Is it an attempt to avoid preinstalled crapware or
vendor-provided malicious extras perhaps?  Maybe the Lenovo crapware
with UEFI driven reinstallation got their attention and they simply don't
want any vendor provided OS? Hell, with some vendors if you want to run
Linux starting with Windows machines might be safer for the same reason,
save for the risk of getting unbootable crap.

On 7/7/2016 at 5:58 PM, "Set Hallstrom"  wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>On 2016-07-07 23:15, Devin Ulibarri wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is my update:
>> 
>> I just found out that the IT team at New England Conservatory 
>(NEC) 
>> is purchasing DELL computers with "Ubuntu" pre-installed, but 
>wiping 
>> their hard drives and installing Windows instead.
>> 
>> The IT team said they are willing to consider making some 
>computers 
>> available with Ubuntu (or Ubuntu Studio) on them, but they need 
>a 
>> educational reason before they commit themselves to providing 
>these 
>> computers to NEC.
>> 
>> I am working with other teachers to see if we can bring Ubuntu
>> Studio to the school.
>> 
>> Also I still think that a clear, "official-ish" message from the
>> core team of Ubuntu Studio would be a great asset. So far, I have
>> been telling people that "If NEC students provide bug reports,
>> Ubuntu developers will respond to fix them". Does that sound
>> correct?
>> 
>
>No, it doesn't sound correct. We are a small team of volunteers 
>working
>for the love of Art under the Ubuntu (canonical) umbrella, and we
>haven't given you any such promises. Have you talked to Canonical? 
>They
>are the only ones that may pronounce themselves on this level. The
>Ubuntu Studio developer team is dedicated to package multimedia 
>software
>into an Ubuntu flavor for multimedia production. You *cannot* 
>expect
>Ubuntu _Studio_ to prioritize your schools matter over any other 
>user.
>
>> Is there anything else I can add without over-reaching any 
>promises?
>
>I'm sorry if i wasn't clear enough when i wrote to you On 2016-05-
>30
>09:17, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>> 
>>> TBH our "brand" belongs to Canonical. Hence we cannot provide 
>you 
>>> with any such support officially without the benediction of 
>>> Canonical. So if you need the backup of a corporation, your 
>best 
>>> bet is to talk to canonical directly. But like Autumna says, it 
>>> isn't necessary. After all GNU/Linux is (not limited to, but 
>also)
>>>  about computing /by/ the people /for/ the people.
>>> 
>
>If you want to use Ubuntu Studio in your classes, you are welcome 
>to do
>so on your own behalf. If you expect official statements and 
>support
>guarantees, please reach out to Canonical.
>http://partners.ubuntu.com/contact-us
>
>However, and *no promisses attached* , i will personaly try my 
>best to
>forward your intentions in order to put you on the right path 
>within
>that organisation.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] image licences

[lukefromdc]

When something is actually released into the public domain it is not under
the GPL, CC or any other license and everyone is in fact free to use it for
anything and in any way. From what I've heard the reason Linux et all are
NOT simply released into the public domain is to prevent an "embrace,
extend, and extingush" scenario.

On 6/23/2016 at 6:12 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:06:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>On Thu, 2016-06-23 at 11:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:16:38 +, Jóhann Örn Geirdal wrote:  
>>> > the images are all in public domain  
>>> that's good :). Possibly there is the need to add the
>>> copyright/copyleft holders to a license file for packages or a 
>footer
>>> to the website. This might depend to the kind of license/public
>>> domain.  
>>
>>"Public domain" perhaps doesn't mean that it is always allowed to 
>edit
>>pics for public usage.
>
>Personally I'm not nit-picking, but the Ubuntu policy at least is
>regarding GPLed software. The Ubuntu package search still doesn't 
>show
>linuxsampler, it's license is "GPL _custom_".
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US Wiki/ help regarding data protection

[lukefromdc]

That's true-someone could just check the wrong boxes in Synaptic and
have issues.

On 6/21/2016 at 2:29 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 14:13:18 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>One more point about the various debates here: While Ubuntu with 
>Unity
>>has shared personal information, UbuntuStudio has never used 
>Unity and
>>never had the shopping lens or its descendants.
>
>Regarding this topic separating Ubuntu Studio from Ubuntu makes no
>sense. Ubuntu Studio is an Ubuntu flavour, this comes with all the 
>pros
>and cons. One of the pros is, that a user could install everything 
>from
>the official repositories. One con is, that a user could install
>everything from the official repositories.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
>
>Off-topic PS:
>On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 13:53:52 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>There is in fact the countevailing argument that every new USB 
>device
>>is a threat, especially with the ever-growing firmware in modern
>>machines.
>
>Even the IC design is tricky in many ways. From hearsay 
>intelligence
>agencies usually try not to use the IC design to spy, but they 
>replace
>ordered ICs with ICs that are more error-prone, if large orders are
>sent from one nation to another _less_ liked nation.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US Wiki/ help regarding data protection

[lukefromdc]

One more point about the various debates here: While Ubuntu with Unity
has shared personal information, UbuntuStudio has never used Unity and
never had the shopping lens or its descendants.  

On 6/21/2016 at 2:08 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 19:15:42 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>> Because Ubuntu Studio is open, cares for freedom and strives for
>> transparency, it's true that Ubuntu Studio offers
>> better control over your privacy than proprietary operating 
>systems
>> usually do. Ubuntu Studio does not include software for 
>encryption
>> and/or anonymity, but you can and are free to install such tools.
>> However, even when you use tools known to grant the strongest
>> available privacy, there are still pitfalls.
>>
>> As soon as a computer is connected to the Internet, user errors 
>and
>> misunderstandings, can render even the strongest protections 
>useless:
>> Third parties not necessarily need to do something manipulative; 
>a
>> user's lack of knowledge can easily make sensitive information
>> public, usage-patterns can easily make the origin of sensitive
>> information identifiable and once such data is stored on the
>> Internet, there's no way to control it.
>>
>> Journalists, activists or anybody else working with sensitive
>> information should consider never connecting computers 
>containing  
>> such information to the Internet. Engaging in media production 
>that
>> implies a high-level of threat is a very serious step that goes
>> beyond the scope and purpose of Ubuntu Studio. To learn more 
>about
>> how to transfer sensitive information via Internet securely, you 
>can
>> start here: https://freedom.press/digital-security  
>
>I'm fine with this text, perhaps the link to links is not that 
>good. I
>suspect it's not that much related to Linux, e.g. the FSF link 
>mentions
>Enigmail.
>
>Two important sources regarding the state of affairs are the CCC 
>and
>Schneier.
>
>https://www.ccc.de/en/
>https://www.schneier.com/
>
>Those sources aren't good to learn about data protection, but to 
>get
>informed about what is going on.
>
>Even the following services could be useful:
>
>https://cve.mitre.org/
>
>https://www.bsi.bund.de/DE/Service/Aktuell/Cert_Bund_Meldungen/cert
>_bund_meldungen_node.html;jsessionid=C6145B5A128FD1A3061BA23FB3D50B
>4D.2_cid294
>
>https://www.cert-bund.de/overview/AdvisoryShort
>
>Best practise is to follow security mailing lists. I'm not doing 
>this,
>but at least I'm subscribed to general mailing lists, were 
>security is
>more important, such as freebsd-questions.
>
>I have serious doubts regarding security tips. It's better to be
>informed about what is going on and to avoid computers for 
>sensitive
>data. How often do we read complains regarding sent mails that are
>stored encrypted? There are too many security wholes, such as 
>people
>storing the mails they sent encrypted, as decrypted mails on their
>computers and things like this.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US Wiki/ help regarding data protection

[lukefromdc]

The USB stick line of attack has happened, but usually involves ordinary
files attacking Windows machines via autorun. USB firmware attacks to 
exist but are rarely used.  There is no way to reduce any risk in life to 
zero.  Snowden was attacking the NSA itself, so yes he needed new 
USB sticks and needed them sourced randomly with cash. 

There is in fact the countevailing argument that every new USB device is
a threat, especially with the ever-growing firmware in modern machines.
Nothing in life is ever guaranteed. Hell, you could be hit by a car while
carrying that flash drive.

Security in the real world means stopping most attacks, not thinking you
are invincible. There's always a bigger fish in the sea,



On 6/21/2016 at 1:16 PM, "Set Hallstrom"  wrote:
>
>> On 2016-06-21 17:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 16:18:23 +0200, Set Sakrecoer wrote:
>> 
>>> i'm hesitant about endorsing stuff that is out of our scope. 
>Let me
>>> think about it :)
>> 
>> Recommending another distro for a special purpose should only be 
>done,
>> if somebody at least does use it regularly and knows more about 
>this
>> distro.
>
>If feel like this too.
>
>> 
>> However, I wouldn't either mention Windows 10, nor claim too 
>much that
>> Ubuntu is far away from being "not financed by selling your 
>personal
>> information to advertisers". The wording "personal information" 
>is an
>> elastic term. Ubuntu is not beyond dispute. Unlikely that Ubuntu 
>sells
>> data, but data is part of a business model that Ubuntu not 
>completely
>> rejects.
>> The sentence "Because it is open, cares for freedom and strives 
>for
>> transparency, it's true that Ubuntu Studio offers better control 
>over
>> your privacy than proprietary operating systems usually do" is
>> absolutely beyond dispute. Why mentioning advertisings at all?
>> 
>
>You are probably right.
>
>> You misunderstand my concern. You can't connect an USB stick, 
>that was
>> connected to a computer with Internet access, to the safe 
>computer. You
>> need always a brand new USB stick. There is no secure way to 
>share
>> data between those two computers. The only option is to carry 
>over data
>> from the safe computer, to the Internet computer. An USB stick 
>that
>> once was connected with any insecure machine cannot used again. 
>An
>> analogy: It's like buying a new car, as soon as the fuel tank is
>> empty, instead of filling up the car's fuel tank.
>
>I sure did misunderstand you.. sorry. I sure hope someone engaging 
>in a
>mission with that level of threat isn't relying on ubuntu studio.
>
>So i'd put it this way:
>
>> Because Ubuntu Studio is open, cares for freedom and strives for
>> transparency, it's true that Ubuntu Studio offers
>> better control over your privacy than proprietary operating 
>systems
>> usually do. Ubuntu Studio does not include software for 
>encryption
>> and/or anonymity, but you can and are free to install such tools.
>> However, even when you use tools known to grant the strongest
>> available privacy, there are still pitfalls.
>>
>> As soon as a computer is connected to the Internet, user errors 
>and
>> misunderstandings, can render even the strongest protections 
>useless:
>> Third parties not necessarily need to do something manipulative; 
>a
>> user's lack of knowledge can easily make sensitive information
>> public, usage-patterns can easily make the origin of sensitive
>> information identifiable and once such data is stored on the
>> Internet, there's no way to control it.
>>
>> Journalists, activists or anybody else working with sensitive
>> information should consider never connecting computers containing
>>> such information to the Internet. Engaging in media production 
>that
>>> implies a high-level of threat is a very serious step that goes
>>> beyond the scope and purpose of Ubuntu Studio. To learn more 
>about
>>> how to transfer sensitive information via Internet securely, 
>you can
>>> start here: https://freedom.press/digital-security
>
>I trust the freedom of the press foundation because Edward Snowden 
>is
>part of the board.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] US Wiki/ help regarding data protection

[lukefromdc]

Here is a short, simple overview that could be used as a starting point by  
nearly anyone able to boot US live:

Due to the growth even in open source of applications that "phone home," when 
it is necessary for privacy or security reasons to be able to deny having 
produced a media item, it should be done on a computer that is not connected to 
the Internet.  The finished media can be moved by a new flash drive to another 
computer in another location for publication. 

When even more security is needed, UbuntuStudio can be run from the live DVD or 
flash drive, and the raw media clips can be kept on removable media and editing 
applications set to put their temporary files on the same media. When the job 
is done the media containing the raw material (USB 3 flash drive or the 
original camera card) can simply be destroyed. A USB 3 flash drive will give 
far better performance when running "live" than a DVD or a USB 2 flash drive 
will.

UbuntuStudio is almost opposite say, Windows 10 when it comes to security. No 
automatic backup to cloud servers, no automatic sharing of encryption keys with 
Microsoft, no "unique advertising ID," and so on. UbuntuStudio is not financed 
by selling your personal information to advertisers. 

On the other hand,  even things like automatic checks for updates can reveal 
the existance not only of a computer but a computer with a media editing 
program consistant with what adversaries believe the media in question was 
produced on. Automatic crash reports can do the same. All of these generate 
server logs that can be accessed by authorities or just plain stolen by hostile 
hackers.  A computer that is not connected to the Internet can't connect to 
cloud servers nor be listened in on over the network.


On 6/20/2016 at 2:37 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>since list subscribers might be annoyed by a partly off-topic 
>thread, I
>decided to write off-list first, however, after a short off-list
>communication I was ask to provide a template for the Wiki.
>
>IMO writing about safety measures isn't that useful for the Ubuntu
>Studio Wiki/help, but a warning might make sense.
>
>Wiki title:
>
>  Data protection
>
>Wiki text:
>
>  It's true that Ubuntu Studio by default offers stronger privacy 
>than
>  proprietary operating systems usually do, but there are still
>  pitfalls, even if you're using special tools to grant strongest
>  privacy.
>
>  Journalists, activists or anybody else working with sensitive
>  information should consider to never ever connect computers with 
>such
>  information to the Internet.
>
>  No tool is able to protect data on a very secure level, as soon 
>as a
>  computer is connected to the Internet.
>
>  The biggest risk are user errors and misunderstandings, that 
>render
>  even the most strongest protections useless. Third parties not
>  necessarily need to do something evil, easily a user's 
>gormlessness
>  makes sensitive information public. Once data is public by the
>  Internet, there's no way to undo it.
>
>Does you agree or disagree that something similar to this text 
>would be
>good for the Wiki?
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntustudio webide background im second try!

[lukefromdc]

Those are pretty and a bit reminescent of one of the early UbuntuStudio
backgrounds, though at far higher true resolution.

On 6/16/2016 at 9:30 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 13:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> The links:
>> 
>> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/IMG_0903.1466075730.JPG
>> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/IMG_0902.1466075716.JPG
>> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/IMG_0901.1466075701.JPG
>> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/IMG_0900.1466075680.JPG
>> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/IMG_0899.1466075646.JPG
>> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/IMG_0898.1466075632.JPG
>> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/IMG_0897.1466075605.JPG
>> http://www.picpaste.com/pics/IMG_0896.1466075505.JPG
>
>PS: I would use something similar to those pictures for the opening
>background and as backgrounds of the categories, I would use 
>screenshots
>of related software.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Would Ubuntu Studio Team be Interested in Partnering with New England Conservatory?

[lukefromdc]

A "Monsanto sound font" could simply create the sound of someone dying and
falling off the toilet from terminal diarrhea with their last words being a 
reference
to corn chips.

On 5/29/2016 at 9:18 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Sun, 29 May 2016 15:15:47 +0300, autumna wrote:
>>Unlike a nestle soundfont where somebody else would be creating 
>the
>>soundfont, the New England conservatory would be actually making 
>the
>>said soundfont.
>
>I mentioned the monsanto-sound-font and nestle-sound-font 
>regarding a
>discrepancy with the humanist philosophy of Ubuntu.
>
>http://www.sigwatch.com/ isn't the measure of all things, anyway, 
>number
>2 is Monsanto and number 5 is Nestle. Apart from this chart show, 
>many
>people most likely consider those two companies to some of the
>most dangerous criminals on this planet, especial regarding crimes
>against humanity, ethics.
>
>There unlikely is such a discrepancy with the New England 
>conservatory,
>but at some point any cooperation with for-profit organisations 
>becomes
>borderline. However, if they should provide a sound-font, unlikely
>anybody would be against including it to a repository, if it fits 
>to
>the Debian/Ubuntu Creative Commons requirements and the sound font
>should provide useful sounds. Hence my question, if somebody from 
>this
>conservatory already could provide such a sound font.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Backports

[lukefromdc]

In the case of Kdenlive, versions 15.08 and later use a different file format.
They can read an old project but cannot save back to the old format, saving 
to the new and renaming the old one as a backup. If the user deletes the 
backup, then reverts Kdenlive versions 15.04 and earlier cannot open the 
file written by the later version.  Fortunately Kdenlive will warn of that and 
tell the user about the backup file,

On 5/27/2016 at 6:18 AM, "Set Sakrecoer"  wrote:
>
>Hi list, and specifically Ross,
>
>This was brought to my attention: 
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1584930
>and its all "\o/ yay! Ross rocks yet again!"
>
>I read it like an open invitation to the devel-team to test the 
>backports but maybe it has a specific team? I'd gladly participate 
>however and the instructions are rather clear but having no 
>experience 
>in the process i thought i'd ask here before i do anything.
>
>I read zequence was talking on IRC about finding a good way to 
>warn our 
>users of the consequences of backports, since it appears backports 
>are 
>able to break things for people having a project in the making. 
>Hence 
>please also consider this email as an invitation to discuss how we 
>communicate this change to our user base.
>
>Yours,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio plugins

[lukefromdc]

With a too-high Q in an audio amp but short of oscillation you would get
"ringing" of the frequency in question and greatly increased amplification of
that frequency from the input signal. The level just short of that ringing would
be used by a CW (morse code) user in amateur radio to single out one tone
on a busy frequency with much interference. At RF, a radio receiver works 
exactly the same way.  Too high a Q in a radio transmitter or receiver will
cut sidebands and you will get reduced high freqency response.

On 5/4/2016 at 6:10 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 4 May 2016 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
>>On Wed, 4 May 2016, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
> Perhaps I should write a Wiki about the "Q" parameter of a
> parametric EQ ;). SICR.  

 There isn't one? Q is for adding a sine wave generator to your 
>board
 in case it doesn't have one...  
>>>
>>> For a parametric EO, the Q parameter determines how much 
>frequencies
>>> are affected around the selected centre frequency. You might 
>want to
>>> read the thread at LAU about the "Tilt EQ" too.  
>>
>>It was a joke. One of things most filter designers try to avoid 
>is 
>>oscilation from too high of a Q. However Q in a filter is the same
>>term as that used in a transmitter tank circuit. (I was talking 
>about
>>the analog world of course, digital EQ can do unrealistic high Q)
>
>Ok, self-oscillation is another issue, English isn't my native
>language. I also struggled with the English language when I tried
>to explain why a shelving filter, wich starts at a give frequency, 
>could
>be considered a shelving filter to both sides of the frequencies, 
>with
>an imaginary center frequency. Fons found the correct words, but 
>they
>don't explain it that easy, as I tried to explain it.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Fwd: Re: Package Selection for Yakketi Yak

[lukefromdc]

BTW, Kdenlive is actually not as tied into KDE as it used to be, 
probably due to how the KDE Framework 5 system is set up. I
have enough of KF5 and QT5 installed to build Kdenlive but it
I tell Synaptic to pull in kde-plasma-desktop it would use nearly 
another 139MB on disk, so that's a lot of packages no longer needed.

On 4/26/2016 at 2:28 PM, "Jimmy Sjölund"  wrote:
>
>Seems like I only replied to Luke below and not to the list.
>
>Also I have now spent some, not so successful, time with pitivi. I 
>think the video for 1.0 looks very good but the current version 
>0.95 is not no way near being ready or a competitor to kdenlive.
>
>I tried my usual workflow by adding three videos and one audio 
>track to make a music video. Just adding more channels / layers 
>than fitted in the window turned out to be quite hard. Then I 
>noticed undo didn't work. It turns out the undo/redo is turned off 
>for 0.95.
>There is no way to mute audio in video files. The solution 
>suggested is to separate the audio and video and then delete the 
>audio. That is a no go for syncing music playing in the video with 
>the actual mixed audio file. You need both to be able to sync 
>correctly and mute is then essential. So, I didn't explore further 
>with actually syncing the videos or do transitions as if these 
>basic features are not possible there is no way to use it for 
>anything that needs to sync videos with an external audio.
>
>/Jimmy
>
>
>
>
>
>-- Forwarded message --
>From: Jimmy Sjölund
>Date: On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 08:28
>Subject: Fwd: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Package Selection for 
>Yakketi Yak
>To: 
>CC:
>
>
>
>wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 20:51, <'lukefro...@hushmail.com'> wrote:
>Kdenlive just keeps getting better and better. Version 16.04 just 
>came out
>with all the features of 15.12 and a whole lot more. The last 
>round of updates
>apparently was guided by some professional video makers in terms 
>of features
>added. By the time Yakkety comes out 16.08 will be out, 
>development is
>continuing.
>
>On 4/25/2016 at 2:49 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>>
>>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>>
>>> I think we should be looking at our video sequencers. I just got
>>this link
>>> from zequence:
>>>
>>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Policy#Selecting_preinstalled
>_
>>packages
>>> that states: "No duplication of tools: If two applications do
>>the same exact
>>> thing, only one of them should be included."
>>>
>>> Atm we have 4 video sequencers:
>>> Blender, Kdenliv, Pitivi and openshots.
>>>
>>> Blender does quite a lot of things that non of the other 3 does,
>>so it is not
>>> up for removal. I always got the feeling that kdenlive is a more
>>complete and
>>
>>Blender also fills another spot in graphics (3d creation) and so
>>remains
>>for that as well. However the learning curve is high and so there
>>are
>>other choices.
>>
>>> professional VSE than pitivi and openshots. I wanted to state
>>that there
>>> would be a choice between the 2 basic VSE's that are good for
>>beginners:
>>> openshots and pitivi, but it seems pitivi has come a long way
>>lately. Perhaps
>>> that means it would be good to keep openshot for beginners, and
>>put our
>>> choice between kdelive en pitivi?
>>
>>If there is something that can fill the spot that kdenlive, That
>>would be
>>a good choice. If it was possible to not have KDE apps at all that
>>would
>>be preferable, but including them because there is nothing else as
>>good is
>>better than picking second best.
>>
>>Video is not my area (at least video editing) as I don't do enough
>>of it.
>
>(Disclaimer. I'm sorry that my iOS client mess up the formatting 
>of my response) It's been a while since I edited videos and I'm by 
>no means near any professional work. I haven't tried pitivi 
>recently but will give it a spin. Before it was not up to speed 
>with kdenlive. Great for easy editing of home videos, like 
>openshot, but nothing more advanced. That might have changed, then 
>again the latest developments in kdenlive looks really good. I'm 
>still leaning towards kdenlive being the best "advanced" editor 
>and to evaluate openshot vs pitivi. But we'll see. As long as 
>kdenlive doesn't get too tied into KDE though... /Jimmy


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Package Selection for Yakketi Yak

[lukefromdc]

Kdenlive just keeps getting better and better. Version 16.04 just came out
with all the features of 15.12 and a whole lot more. The last round of updates
apparently was guided by some professional video makers in terms of features
added.  By the time Yakkety comes out 16.08 will be out, development is 
continuing.

On 4/25/2016 at 2:49 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>
>> I think we should be looking at our video sequencers. I just got 
>this link 
>> from zequence:
>> 
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Policy#Selecting_preinstalled_
>packages
>> that states: "No duplication of tools: If two applications do 
>the same exact 
>> thing, only one of them should be included."
>>
>> Atm we have 4 video sequencers:
>> Blender, Kdenliv, Pitivi and openshots.
>>
>> Blender does quite a lot of things that non of the other 3 does, 
>so it is not 
>> up for removal. I always got the feeling that kdenlive is a more 
>complete and
>
>Blender also fills another spot in graphics (3d creation) and so 
>remains 
>for that as well. However the learning curve is high and so there 
>are 
>other choices.
>
>> professional VSE than pitivi and openshots. I wanted to state 
>that there 
>> would be a choice between the 2 basic VSE's that are good for 
>beginners: 
>> openshots and pitivi, but it seems pitivi has come a long way 
>lately. Perhaps 
>> that means it would be good to keep openshot for beginners, and 
>put our 
>> choice between kdelive en pitivi?
>
>If there is something that can fill the spot that kdenlive, That 
>would be 
>a good choice. If it was possible to not have KDE apps at all that 
>would 
>be preferable, but including them because there is nothing else as 
>good is 
>better than picking second best.
>
>Video is not my area (at least video editing) as I don't do enough 
>of it.
>
>--
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>www.ovenwerks.net
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] default screen recorder WAS:Re: Package Selection for Yakketi Yak

[lukefromdc]

This is the first I have heard of it, so no opinion yet. Will have to test it.

On 4/25/2016 at 1:59 PM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
>
>On Mon, Apr 25, 2016, at 07:53 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> If Recordmydesktop is dropped it should be replaced. I have 
>issues with
>> it but
>> still use it, as the alternative is to take the time to set up a 
>video
>> camera aligned
>> with the screen. 
>> 
>
>vokoscreen is the proposed alternative. Any opinions about that?
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Package Selection for Yakketi Yak

[lukefromdc]

If Recordmydesktop is dropped it should be replaced. I have issues with it but
still use it, as the alternative is to take the time to set up a video camera 
aligned
with the screen. 

On 4/25/2016 at 11:30 AM, "Set Hallstrom"  wrote:
>
>On 2016-04-25 15:56, Len Ovens wrote:
>> Good idea.
>>
>> So far here are some thigns that have been added:
>> Drumgizmo and it's editor dgedit
>>  For those who want drums that sound like drums and not a 
>drum
>>  machine.
>>
>> Drop gnome-color-manager which we have never gotten to work 
>right and
>> add dispcalgui (DisplayCAL) which at least seems to work for us. 
>Can
>> anyone with a real colorimeter try this?  :)
>>
>> Drop recordmydesktop as no one seems to get good results from it
>> VokoScreen seems to work well for at least some people. I think 
>a solid
>> sound setup in the first place would help others. (basically 
>making sure
>> pulse sees no physical devices, but jack only, helps a lot)
>>
>
>I'm in favor of all those points :)
>
>I think we should be looking at our video sequencers. I just got 
>this 
>link from zequence:
>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Policy#Selecting_preinstalled_
>packages
>that states: "No duplication of tools: If two applications do the 
>same 
>exact thing, only one of them should be included."
>
>Atm we have 4 video sequencers:
>Blender, Kdenliv, Pitivi and openshots.
>
>Blender does quite a lot of things that non of the other 3 does, 
>so it 
>is not up for removal. I always got the feeling that kdenlive is a 
>more 
>complete and professional VSE than pitivi and openshots. I wanted 
>to 
>state that there would be a choice between the 2 basic VSE's that 
>are 
>good for beginners: openshots and pitivi, but it seems pitivi has 
>come a 
>long way lately. Perhaps that means it would be good to keep 
>openshot 
>for beginners, and put our choice between kdelive en pitivi?
>
>Anyone with good experience using pitivi that could/wants to weigh 
>in?
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Nautilus always resets itself to icon-view upon, closing

[lukefromdc]

As for themes, I've kept my modded (blue-green) UbuntuStudio_Legacy port 
current, supports GTK2,  GTK 3.14 through GTk 3.20 and even development GTK 
3.21.
(GTK 3.14 now deprecated for my other packages due to breakage). You can see
for yourself in this package how to support multiple GTK 3 versions, you just 
keep the
previous version's theme in a versioned subdirectory and add a new one for each 
GTK 3
version. With "snap" packages coming in for things like Firefox and some no 
doubt using
different GTK3 versions, this may soon be mandatory.

Debian package is in my usual Archive repo at
https://archive.org/details/DebianPackagesForMate-desktopWityGtk3AndCustomPanelTheme

Link to the theme .deb package itself is at

https://archive.org/download/DebianPackagesForMate-desktopWityGtk3AndCustomPanelTheme/gtk-theme-ubuntustudio-legacy-2.1.0_all.deb
but that link will break when the theme is next updated and that version moved 
to "previous_versions" 


On 4/22/2016 at 4:04 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:35:09 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
>>Yes I can confirm that nautilus has become less useful than in 
>14.04 
>>(even) I guess it must be a gnome application where removing 
>>functionallity is considered progress.
>>
>>So nautilus is effectively broken/non-standard/not DE-
>agnostic/not 
>>recomended for xfce.
>>
>>I can also confirm that thunar fails for me after about 4 file 
>renames.
>
>I switched to openbox a long time ago and I use a selection of apps
>such as spacefm, roxterm and other, however, GTK3 upstream already
>introduced the next fun. The current official GTK3 is broken. The 
>best
>bet is to use as many GTK2 apps as possible and now the bomb drops,
>keep old themes for GTK2 apps and expect that old themes won't work
>with GTK3 anymore, OTOH new themes are a PITA. I don't expect that 
>this
>will be fixed, I guess apart from a few bugs, breakage is intended.
>However, some coders switch from GTK to Qt, but there are also 
>issues
>with Qt.
>
>https://sourceforge.net/projects/qt5ct/ doesn't work correctly and 
>yes,
>I set the environment variable.
>
>$ echo $QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME
>qt5ct
>
>This is on an Arch Linux install, but soon or later Debian and 
>Ubuntu
>will be affected from upstream insanity too.
>
>Now people start dropping Xfce4, however, it's impossible to get 
>rid
>of all bugs, even openbox, i3 etc. with apps that don't depend to a
>desktop environment suffer from GTK upstream.
>
>Yet there seems to be no way to solve the desktop issue. The Linux
>desktop is broken.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Nautilus always resets itself to icon-view upon, closing

[lukefromdc]

Have you considered Caja? I believe version 1.12 will be in repo, built
with GTK2. 

On 4/22/2016 at 3:35 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Fri, 22 Apr 2016, Thomas Pfundt wrote:
>
>> @ Len: Just a quick remark on the "gear wheel" that you 
>suggested using:
>> I do not see a "gear wheel" anywhere when I install Nautilus on 
>Ubuntu
>> Studio 15.10 or 16.04. There is a menu toggle button, but it 
>only gives
>> options related to the currently viewed folder. Normally there 
>should be
>> a way of entering the preferences from the file manager's 
>interface, but
>> I see no possibility to access it, because the button layout is
>> different from Unity and the Xfce window decorator prevents 
>targeting
>> the menu bar, I believe. I haven't tested the other mentioned 
>file
>> managers, yet.
>
>Yes I can confirm that nautilus has become less useful than in 
>14.04 
>(even) I guess it must be a gnome application where removing 
>functionallity is considered progress.
>
>So nautilus is effectively broken/non-standard/not DE-agnostic/not 
>recomended for xfce.
>
>I can also confirm that thunar fails for me after about 4 file 
>renames.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] One week until xenial final relase "RecordMyDesktop"

[lukefromdc]

Video quality can be changed, I normally switch framerate out to 30fps rather 
than
15 due to my use case. Wonder though if that is a factor in the loss of the 
last 
part of the video recorded due to some variable expecting a set number of 
frames.

On 4/16/2016 at 5:29 AM, "Grant Frank Burton"  wrote:
>
>RecordMyDesktop works but not very good. It looks a clunker, takes 
>a long
>time to process the video and the quality is not very good.
>
>Kazam is a much better program but when I installed it, I 
>don't get to
>option to remove it, I only can install it again. I can take it 
>out with a
>terminal but not from the software center window.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] One week until xenial final relase "RecordMyDesktop"

[lukefromdc]

Recordmydesktop has always had problems for me with not saving all of the
video stream, I can lose as much as the second half of it in some cases, so
I always record longer than I need to as a workaround.

On 4/16/2016 at 11:50 AM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
>
>On Sat, Apr 16, 2016, at 11:29 AM, Grant Frank Burton wrote:
>> RecordMyDesktop works but not very good. It looks a clunker, 
>takes a long
>> time to process the video and the quality is not very good.
>> 
>> Kazam is a much better program but when I installed it, I 
>don't get
>> to
>> option to remove it, I only can install it again. I can take it 
>out with
>> a
>> terminal but not from the software center window.
>
>I would agree that we should probably use another program for 
>desktop
>recording. I may have suggestions there too, but we don't do any 
>changes
>in our application selection this late in the game, unless there's 
>a
>critical bug, so this will have to wait until the next development 
>cycle
>(which is quite soon).
>
>If you are unable to install applications with Software, please 
>report a
>bug about that. The package name is gnome-software, so in a 
>terminal,
>you do:
>
>ubuntu-bug gnome-software
>
>Thanks for putting some attention on this
>
>/Kaj
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] wily werewolf audacity alsa sound distorted

[lukefromdc]

Audacity can set up its own audio device using in Preferences>Devices and will
default to using Pulseaudio. On some setups Pulseaudio still has issues for 
Audacity.  To actually be using ALSA directly you have to set it up in 
Preferences.

First, make sure that nothing else is using sound, so Pulseaudio won't hold an 
exclusive lock on the soundcard. Then in  Preferences>Devices you have "host"
which will be ALSA but also "playback" and "recording". It is those two that 
need
to be set to use the soundcard directly, usually that is the line ending in
(hw: 0,0) . If you only see (hw:0,1) and higher and you cannot get sound from 
them,
somthing else is playing sound and holding the sound card. There is a 
PAsuspender
program available somewhere that can shut Pulseaudio down temporarily for 
situations like this, but usually it's enough to shut off system sounds in 
overall
sound configuration and make sure nothing else is playing.

On 3/30/2016 at 9:39 AM, "Grant Frank Burton"  wrote:
>
>Greetings all
>
>For a while for me audacity would just crash in Wily when I use 
>ALSA. When
>I use Jack it worked like a charm.
>After the last update at least it don't crash but the sound 
>distorts
>sometimes. Is anyone else get that?


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Kdenlive 15.12 finally in repo

[lukefromdc]

My setup diverged so far from stock Ubuntu I converted my main
development machines  to Debian  Unstable when the Snappy 
controversy emerged as a precaution against having rolling alpha
updating blocked in the future.

The panel icon works fine in my setup and I never had issues with 
the old panel icon in an Ubuntu 15.10 setup that will be updated to
16.04 when it comes out either.  All of this evolved from what was
originally an  UbuntuStudio Jaunty install back in 2009, with a 64 bit 
reinstall and remake back in 2011.

My desktop environment has been MATE with gtk3 from local
builds for the past year, so I have no idea whether or not the icon 
works in an XFCE panel, Without landline internet at home, I cannot
simply download an installer to test this. Sorry about that.

On 3/15/2016 at 2:04 PM, "Wachín"  wrote:
>
>Hi Luke, do you know if this kdenlive have the icon working. I 
>install 
>kdenlive in UbuntuStudio 15.10 x386 default XFCE from sunab PPA, 
>but the 
>icon in the panel is missing ever, only a blank button appeare, 
>some of 
>us know how to repair this
>
>El 15/03/16 a las 12:46, lukefro...@hushmail.com escribió:
>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/kdenlive
>>
>> now shows kdenlive 15.12.1-0ubuntu1 so the upcoming LTS won't 
>ship with a bad version of kdenlive.
>> The 15.12 version worked very well for me when GIT master was at 
>that level so I would say people
>> can expect good results with it.
>>
>> There will be a 16.04 version of kdenlive that will presumably 
>miss this release, with many new features.
>> I would expect that it would be available by PPA as usual. 
>Current GIT master is close to 15.12's runtime
>> stability, though of course I am only testing certain types of 
>files and use cases.
>>
>>
>
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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Kdenlive 15.12 finally in repo

[lukefromdc]

http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/kdenlive

now shows kdenlive 15.12.1-0ubuntu1 so the upcoming LTS won't ship with a bad 
version of kdenlive.
The 15.12 version worked very well for me when GIT master was at that level so 
I would say people
can expect good results with it. 

There will be a 16.04 version of kdenlive that will presumably miss this 
release, with many new features.
I would expect that it would be available by PPA as usual. Current GIT master 
is close to 15.12's runtime
stability, though of course I am only testing certain types of files and use 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Possible Tester

[lukefromdc]

Were those files overwritten, or just on a partition that got formatted or 
remade?

If the partition was not used the files are still there, and even if it was 
data recovery
software like Foremost(in Ubuntu repos) or Photorec can often get back anything 
that
did not get physically overwritten.  I once had to use recovered files from a 
too-soon
cleared camera card for the entire second half of a video.

On 3/6/2016 at 9:31 PM, "Marvin U. Sotoamaya"  wrote:
>
>Hello everyone.
>How do you do?
>My best wishes to all!
>
>I have been reading many input comments.
>I downloaded a copy of Ubuntu Studio 16.04, prior to its release 
>date, of
>course and attempted to install.
>The system did install, but did not function at all and found 
>myself having
>to redo, install, reinstall, clean format the HDD, etc.
>I finally recovered the 14.04 system, but by then I had lost all 
>my files
>because I could no longer access them.
>
>I am waiting for the official release and plan to install 
>alongside, so as
>to be able to use both systems.
>
>It remains to be seen how it all integrates and functions 
>altogether.
>
>Until then...
>Ta ta!
>
>
>On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Matthew Bearson 
>
>wrote:
>
>> Hey there Ross,
>> my Launchpad ID is mattb342
>> thanks for the time to let me join, I happy to be here.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Fadhil Kadir 
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ross,
>>>
>>> My launchpad id: fadhil.hakadir
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Fadhil
>>>
>>>  Original Message 
>>> From:Ross Gammon
>>> Sent:Sun, 06 Mar 2016 18:42:45 +0800
>>> To:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
>>> Subject:Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Possible Tester
>>>
>>> Hi Fadhil Kadir,
>>>
>>> What is your Launchpad ID so we can recognise you there?
>>>
>>> On 03/02/2016 08:31 AM, Fadhil Kadir wrote:
>>>
>>> > Sorry Matthew for barging in your email but I've signed up to 
>the
>>> > mailing list last month but didn't manage to greet everyone.
>>>
>>> It doesn't really matter how you first make contact, just that 
>you do it
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> > I am also relatively new to the world of Ubuntu Studio. I ran 
>it
>>> > previously when I was running my home studio few years back. 
>Previously,
>>> > it was abit bloated (to my poor old pc) and was not really 
>well
>>> > supported, so I went around to Ubuntu MATE, Lubuntu and also 
>CentOS at
>>> > times. The newer versions seem much nicer and smoother, so I 
>am using it
>>> > now as my main OS. Thought I could contribute here and there, 
>if needed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hope to learn more from this group!
>>>
>>> Are you also interested in running some tests? Which part of 
>Ubuntu
>>> Studio are you interested in (music, video, graphics, 
>photography or all
>>> three)? Do you have any software development experience, or in 
>other
>>> areas like publicity, art work etc.?
>>>
>>> For learning about using Ubuntu Studio and the bundled 
>applications for
>>> creative tasks, make sure you follow and post to the Ubuntu 
>Studio Users
>>> List as well
>>> (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-Studio-
>users). Many of
>>> us are subscribed to both.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ross
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntustudio.org email addresses for team members

[lukefromdc]

At the moment emails from Hushmail still reach the Big Corporate webmailers,
don't know how long that will last. Trouble I will have will be dealing with 
Gmail
users who'd really rather Tweet or Facebook anyway, I will have to tell them to 
check an open email or lose communication with me as I won't go to that side
of the net at all.

On 3/4/2016 at 11:59 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 17:55:15 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>The whole Internet is in the process of dividing between a 
>strictly
>>controlled, monetized/verified corporate network and a non-
>monetized
>>free network, each of which may eventually be unable to talk to 
>the
>>other.
>
>At least for email we already reached this to a large extent.
>
>Some funny information about free as in beer email addresses:
>
>safe-mail.net forces the user to at least once a month log in and 
>use
>the web interface, instead of an external MUA.
>
>mail.com allows to sent not more than two or three mails an hour.
>
>As already pointed out, yahoo and rocketmail usually reject all 
>mailman
>mails, so you automatically get unsubscribed from the mailing 
>lists,
>google soon will follow yahoo. A few mailing lists still work with
>yahoo, but for those lists you don't receive your own mail sent to 
>the
>list and this actually is the preliminary stage before it 
>completely
>stops working.
>
>On Fri, 04 Mar 2016 17:34:29 -0500, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>It was organized crime seeking ransom, which to their credit 
>Hushmail
>>utterly refused to pay, choosing to ride out the attack instead.
>
>Criminals who try to make their money with DDoS attack extortions 
>are
>on the rise. For sure the providers ride out the attacks and this
>sometimes takes weeks, but at least takes several days. This in 
>addition
>with the "random" blackhole listing, that is not only done by evil
>companies, but also provided by some "libre" mailing lists, very 
>much
>by linux audio org lists (LAU and LAD) and once we need an 
>individual
>address for each recipient + rotation of used email addresses.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntustudio.org email addresses for team members

[lukefromdc]

The whole Internet is in the process of dividing between a strictly controlled,
monetized/verified corporate network and a non-monetized free network, each
of which may eventually be unable to talk to the other. Now is the time to 
decide which side of that divide you want to be on. It has already begun.

On the free side, activist email server Riseup's users had years of trouble 
with the
corporate email servers rejecting their emails because the Spamhaus project 
became politicized and repeatedly listed them falsely as spam. This will spread,
I expect that ad-supported email will talk only to itself at some point in the 
future,
so there will effectively be two totally separate email systems. I will be 
blind to the
corporate side of this as I am to what happens on Facebook.

Yahoo has been caught blocking email access to people who block ads. Expect 
that to become the industry standard and to have to close all accounts with all 
ad-supported services  within the next few years. There are hacks to defeat that
bur such an account is endangered and should be emptied and closed ideally
within a single login session, as I did when Hotmail demanded phone verification
years ago and I had to break into my own account by using a cut and pasted URL

I have not yet had trouble with Hushmail and mailing lists, though setting up 
new
free Hushmail accounts now requires using one of the web services that 
emulates a phone taking SMS messages to defeat SMS verification. My 
acount will be abandoned without notice if they demand this on existing 
accounts and find a way around the web service workaround, as I refuse to 
permit any online activity involving me to be "verified."  At that point I will
probably have to set up a personal email server. My aggressive adblocking,
tracker blocking, and rejection of verification are not welcome among corporate
providers.

On 3/4/2016 at 3:05 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 14:13:32 -0500, WMID wrote:
>>I would like to be a member.
>
>I don't want to join any club, but I want to have an email address 
>that
>works with most mailing lists :D.
>
>I don't have the link at hand, but yahoo (and rocketmail, which 
>actually
>is yahoo) already are a PITA, completely unusable or at best usable
>with hard restrictions. All much used free addresses, G-spot or 
>what
>ever they are named and so on, will follow a new policy soon, that
>unfortunately completely screws up mailman. If I have more time 
>I'll
>sent you the Arch Linux mailing list threads regarding this issue.
>
>Many other providers, that don't follow that new policy, OTOH are 
>much
>too often blackhole listed, such as Alice and all the US-American
>companies around AOL.
>
>Currently I have got best experiences with zoho.com, but I suspect 
>it's
>just a matter of time when this provider becomes unusable too.
>
>It's not that easy to find a provider that can be used with mailing
>lists nowadays.
>
>Any hints are welcome.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
>
>PS:
>
>Let alone that my MUA's filters don't work properly anymore, since 
>I've
>got to change email addresses all the times. I fear that mailing 
>lists
>will die soon.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntustudio.org email addresses for team members

[lukefromdc]

Hushmail had that problem, had to resort to Cloudflare's DDOS protection 
service,
which forced me to use Torbrowser to log in to block Cloudflare from 
fingerprinting
my browser until it was resolved. It was organized crime seeking ransom, which 
to 
their credit Hushmail utterly refused to pay, choosing to ride out the attack 
instead.

On 3/4/2016 at 3:13 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>I forgot to mention that many free email providers also suffer 
>much too
>often from DDoS attacks and need to stop the services for days. 
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Application Testing for Ubuntu Studio Xenial 16.04

[lukefromdc]

Kdenlive is STILL version 15.08, which is a buggy mess as well as being old. if 
that gets to release, anyone wanting to do a complex video in Xenial will need 
to install from PPA or source. Version 15.08 is OK for simple stuff but gets 
things like compositing transitions that move on their own and crashes.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Default Wallpaper, WAS:Re: ART TEAM ALERT! 16.04 Wallpaper Contest has been decided.

[lukefromdc]

"Found on the Internet" could be those bastards at Getty Images, who 
would get a lot of free publicity for their extortion letters from a well 
publicized even though failed demand letter against Canonical.

Don't use unknown source images unless everyone involved is OK with
standing up to extortionists. Getty doesn't sue, they just send extortion
letters. One of my websites warns them of $10,000 liquidated damages
for every access to it in TOS that forbid their "picscout" bot from scraping
it, thus putting their demand letters in reverse gear.

On 2/17/2016 at 3:34 AM, "Kaj Ailomaa"  wrote:
>
>On Tue, Feb 16, 2016, at 03:58 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016, at 03:54 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>> 
>> > I already sent an email to the guy, but realized we have other 
>concerns
>> > too. For 14.04, the wallpaper was not just a wallpaper. It was 
>a theme
>> > used for all our social channels. If we want to continue to 
>have a
>> > generic theme, which we use for everything, I'm not sure a 
>flame will do
>> > it. The flame could be a variant of it, but not the "it".
>> 
>> This is my initial opinion, by the way. If flames were to be 
>used as a
>> generic theme, I believe they would need to be stylized somehow. 
>It's
>> still a bit weird for a generic theming, I think.
>> 
>
>I got word from lihualiu, the author of the proposed default 
>wallpaper.
>Unfortunately he is not interested in further work, but supplied 
>me with
>the original project file, which is a photoshop project. The flame 
>is
>found on the internet, but I haven't asked from where exactly. So, 
>all
>in all, I'm a little reluctant to use this as the default wallpaper
>right now.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Manual Test Cases

[lukefromdc]

Exactly which version of kdenlive will be in 16.04? I have been building 
kdenlive
from git master routinely, and here's what I've found: the 15.08 release was a 
buggy mess, 15.12 is very good, both can handle GPU/Movit effects, and the
upcoming 16.04 kdenlive will have many new features which right now change
seemingly every day.

On 2/9/2016 at 2:35 PM, "Ross Gammon"  wrote:
>
>On 02/09/2016 08:01 PM, set wrote:
>> Just a heads up in this thread. :)
>> 
>> Is kdenlive one the last one that needs to be done for Studio, 
>or have i
>> missed something?
>
>Yes - it is the last high priority one that already has a template 
>on
>the tracker.
>
>> 
>> On 2016-01-26 19:01, Ross Gammon wrote:
>>> Kdenlive: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1538224
>> 
>> I can probably have kdenlive manual test written by friday.
>
>That would be fantastic. Thanks.
>
>I will also try and do a few other lower priority ones that I know 
>well.
>
>Then it will be time to announce the start of testing on the 18th 
>:-) I
>will cross post on us-users as well.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Ross
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Destktop/Window Manager

[lukefromdc]

Too different from the traditional Win95 layout for many power users, and
all desktop environments optimized for one fullscreened app at a time are
poorly suited to running multiple media applications with drag and drop
between them. 

On 1/28/2016 at 6:01 PM, "Daniel M Gessel"  wrote:
>
>Created launch pad account.
>
>I’m sure this is a total Newbie question, but is there a 25 word 
>reason for not using compiz/Unity? It feels pretty solid, though 
>I’d like to have more flexibility controlling the environment with 
>my touch tablet. 
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntustudio & ubuntu-touch sound files

[lukefromdc]

Those are damned nice sounds. I did download the whole tarball before cleaning
out my email account, and immediately played them in Audacious one after
another.

On 1/12/2016 at 9:34 AM, "C. F. Howlett"  wrote:
>
>> http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/ubuntu-sounds
>http://  spreadubuntu  org/en/material/poster/ubuntu-sounds
>
>I have uploaded the gnome / ubuntustudio and ubuntu-touch tones to 
>the 
>above accounts.  Useful resources for video?
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 105, Issue 9

[lukefromdc]

You can counter a local block on Archive or any other site by downloading 
Torbrowser. Few if any national firewalls can defeat Tor and to my knowledge
region blocks are not used by Archive, which aggressively pushes fair use 
doctrine. Even Google's region blocks are defeated by Tor.

Places and ISP's that want to block Tor usually block the tor download site, 
this
forces people to get it by wifi if the culprit is their ISP. In a blocking 
nation once
anyone has it they spread it wtih flash drives, etc to their friends. Other 
proxies
are probably the initial route to the site. 

Defeating nation-state and ISP blocking is not only the right but the duty of 
Internet users in my judgement.

On 1/11/2016 at 8:44 AM, "C. F. Howlett"  wrote:
>
>Thanks, Set.  I'd love to see your video introduction in action, 
>but 
>archives.org is blocked here.
>
>Regarding your sound issue, might I suggest re-purposing something 
>from 
>the old gnome/ubuntustudio sound themes or, perhaps better, the 
>Ubuntu 
>touch tones?  I've got both archived if you need them, and I'm 
>adding 
>them to our evernote link.  I'm pretty sure we can find some 
>appropriate 
>tones for intro and outtro.
>
>And we REALLY need to establish a dedicated page or link for 
>standardized marketing resources such as the other *buntus have!
>
>
>On 01/11/2016 08:00 PM, ubuntu-studio-devel-
>requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:54:30 +0100
>> From: set
>> To:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Multimedia Workflow 
>Documentation
>>  solution
>> Message-ID:<569389e6.7060...@sakrecoer.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> On 2016-01-10 03:57, C. F. Howlett wrote:
>>> >Hey All:
>>> >
>>> >Klaatu produces SlackerMedia a multimedia spin of Slackware 
>Linux.
>>> >
>>> > Forwarded Message 
>>> >Subject:   Re: Multimedia Workflow Graphics licensing
>>> >Date:  Sun, 10 Jan 2016 08:41:07 +1300
>>> >From:  Klaatu
>>> >To:C. F. Howlett
>>> >
>> This is great news! You are doing an amazing job Cfhowlett! 
>thank you!
>>
>> Re: Video formatting.
>>
>> I have created these Blender files:
>> https://code.launchpad.net/~sakrecoer/+junk/ubuntustudio-artwork
>> These blender files generate this:
>> https://archive.org/details/00010100
>> Never mind the resolution in the player, i messed up encoding, 
>check
>> https://archive.org/download/00010100/  the high-res sequence is 
>in
>> FRAMES.tar.gz)
>>
>> Here is an example of it in use:
>> https://archive.org/details/UbuntuStudio-Photo-
>RapidPhotoDownloader
>> (It's still a WIP,.. bare with me... :D)
>>
>> It would be nice to have 3 second sound signature for it:)
>>
>> -- Set Sakrecoer


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 105, Issue 9

[lukefromdc]

The size of the ubuntu-sounds tarball nearly filled my email account. It is the
bottom 25MB free tier as I would never pay for email nor have an account with
any ad-supported or PRISM-compliant provider. Please try to avoid sending 
anything over 10MB to my email or I could lose other emails that would bounce.

On 1/11/2016 at 8:44 AM, "C. F. Howlett"  wrote:
>
>Thanks, Set.  I'd love to see your video introduction in action, 
>but 
>archives.org is blocked here.
>
>Regarding your sound issue, might I suggest re-purposing something 
>from 
>the old gnome/ubuntustudio sound themes or, perhaps better, the 
>Ubuntu 
>touch tones?  I've got both archived if you need them, and I'm 
>adding 
>them to our evernote link.  I'm pretty sure we can find some 
>appropriate 
>tones for intro and outtro.
>
>And we REALLY need to establish a dedicated page or link for 
>standardized marketing resources such as the other *buntus have!
>
>
>On 01/11/2016 08:00 PM, ubuntu-studio-devel-
>requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:54:30 +0100
>> From: set
>> To:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Multimedia Workflow 
>Documentation
>>  solution
>> Message-ID:<569389e6.7060...@sakrecoer.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> On 2016-01-10 03:57, C. F. Howlett wrote:
>>> >Hey All:
>>> >
>>> >Klaatu produces SlackerMedia a multimedia spin of Slackware 
>Linux.
>>> >
>>> > Forwarded Message 
>>> >Subject:   Re: Multimedia Workflow Graphics licensing
>>> >Date:  Sun, 10 Jan 2016 08:41:07 +1300
>>> >From:  Klaatu
>>> >To:C. F. Howlett
>>> >
>> This is great news! You are doing an amazing job Cfhowlett! 
>thank you!
>>
>> Re: Video formatting.
>>
>> I have created these Blender files:
>> https://code.launchpad.net/~sakrecoer/+junk/ubuntustudio-artwork
>> These blender files generate this:
>> https://archive.org/details/00010100
>> Never mind the resolution in the player, i messed up encoding, 
>check
>> https://archive.org/download/00010100/  the high-res sequence is 
>in
>> FRAMES.tar.gz)
>>
>> Here is an example of it in use:
>> https://archive.org/details/UbuntuStudio-Photo-
>RapidPhotoDownloader
>> (It's still a WIP,.. bare with me... :D)
>>
>> It would be nice to have 3 second sound signature for it:)
>>
>> -- Set Sakrecoer


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Why keeping the email thread is important and how to do it

[lukefromdc]

>A Text-marker is the blinking symbol showing where your text will 
>be
>input, once you have clicked inside a text input box. :)
>
>All you need to do in hushmail to post in the /right/ order, is the
>click /bellow/ the quoted text ;)


Always knew that only as the cursor. 


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Why keeping the email thread is important and how to do it

[lukefromdc]

I don't even know what you mean by a text-marker.   I've never once
been employed in an environment involving handling office email, nor ever had 
wired
internet access and used an ISP-provided email reached by an email client.

On 12/22/2015 at 4:53 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>>On 2015-12-22 02:44, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>> Hushmail blocks unpaid users from access other than by the 
>webpage,
>>> so email clients don't work.  
>>
>>But you can put the text-marker at the bottom of the message...?! 
>:)


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Why keeping the email thread is important and how to do it

[lukefromdc]

In Firefox on the Web with Hushmail there is no "reply to list" function. 
Hushmail blocks
unpaid users from access other than by the webpage, so email clients don't 
work. The latter
ia probably true of other webmails as well for unpaid/bottom tier accounts.


>[snip] When replying to messages, use your email client’s Reply To
>List function



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 104, Issue 32

[lukefromdc]

Artwork and even software can be posted to Archive.org. I have a whole set of
debian packages for MATE built with gtk3 plus my  modded "UbuntuStudio Legacy"
GTK 2/3 and icon themes there:

https://archive.org/details/DebianPackagesForMate-desktopWityGtk3AndCustomPanelTheme

I don't see any reason why UbuntuStudio couldn't create a standing account 
there and
use it for artwork, themes, and if necessary software packages.

Anytime I have to post something to a site like Wordpress that comes with ads
and trackers, I warn people to use NoScript or at least Adblock. The Internet 
has
become an exceptionally malicious place so I recommend aggressive forward
defense.

On 12/20/2015 at 9:48 AM, "C. F. Howlett"  wrote:
>
>Can you suggest alternatives, Ralf?
>> Message: 3 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 10:20:56 +0100 From: Ralf 
>Mardorf 
>>  To: ubuntu-studio-
>de...@lists.ubuntu.com 
>> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] deviantart - Was: ubuntu-studio-
>devel 
>> Digest, Vol 104, Issue 30 Message-ID: 
>> <20151220102056.1a206801@archlinux.localdomain> Content-Type: 
>> text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:44:51 -0500, 
>WMID wrote:
>>> >http://ubuntu-studio-da.deviantart.com/
>> Advertising from the above link:
>>
>> "Thai Dating and Singles
>> FIND YOUR THAI BEAUTY"
>>
>> It's showing the picture of a very, very young "women".
>>
>> I'm sure that this isn't meant with the Ubuntu philosophy of 
>"humanity
>> towards others".
>>
>> When I visited the above link it came with "only" 15 trackers.
>>
>> "DeviantArt is the world?s largest source of high-quality,
>> artist-generated visual content and attracts users from every
>> demographic possible. We proudly guarantee 100% brand-safe 
>advertising
>> opportunities. It starts here. We set the course together.
>>
>> Let us show you how to access the largest and most influential
>> community of culture creators and culture responders in the 
>world.
>> Discover the opportunities to enter this current with your 
>brand. Reach
>> 65 million people drenched in the creative zeitgeist of pop 
>culture
>> fandom." -http://deviantartads.com/
>>
>> It shouldn't become the Ubuntu Studio PR policy to contribute to 
>any
>> criminal crap on this planet. One reason to use Linux is to stay 
>away
>> from data mining, admass and spin.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation: Tutorial Videos

[lukefromdc]

Speaking of Kdenlive, kdenlive 15.12 just came out, it is free of most
of the bugs that made 15.08 so difficult to deal with. I've had good luck
with it myself and recommend it. Presu

That brings up the backport issue: a backport of 15.12 into Wily would
make Wily a lot more useful for video. I still remember the mess that
was Audacity 1.3.4 (sound editor) in UbuntuStudio Hardy, a problem that
was finally fixed by backporting Audacity 1.3.5 into Hardy.

On 12/16/2015 at 5:08 AM, "set"  wrote:
>
>On 2015-12-16 10:33, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
>> I created a template to use in Kdenlive once upon a time, with 
>the intro
>> and outro slides with the setup that me and Zak worked with when 
>we
>> started out the idea years ago. Might need a fresh up. I'll 
>check it out
>> when I get back to my old trusted Ubuntu Studio laptop.
>> 
>> /Jimmy 
>
>WOW!!! That is a great solution!! Would be very nice to have such 
>thing!! :)
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation: Tutorial Videos

[lukefromdc]

Videos can be posted to Archive.org, which also will make a .ogv
derivative of it. Unlike Youtube, Archive does not seek record company
licenses, block on a per-country bases, nor scan content for 3ed party
content. No law requires Youtube to do it eithert due to the DCMA
"safe harbor" provision-but Google is so big my guess is they feared 
the record companies would get the law changed.

That scanning was why I dumped Youtube back in 2010.

On 12/15/2015 at 4:58 PM, "set"  wrote:
>
>On 2015-12-15 21:40, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> When I edited the Ubuntu Wiki I also linked to websites outside
>> of the Ubuntu universe, but it's not really smart to do so. Take 
>a look
>> at Linux audio websites, it's not pleasant to visit them 
>regarding of
>> too many outdated and much more dead links. IOW if we link to 
>other
>> pages, then they could disappear or in case of YouTube they 
>might not
>> available in some countries with a collecting society mafia. In 
>Germany
>> YouTube seemingly block YouTube videos false positive, just in 
>case it
>> could contain content that belongs to a collecting society, even 
>if
>> the content is absolutely free.
>
>That makes a lot of sense. The easy fix is to separate the page 
>into a
>main focus with ubuntustudio produced documentation and footer-ish 
>part
>with external ones and perhaps a disclaimer that we cannot garantee
>accuracy because 3rd part content provider...?
>
>Hosting the files on ubuntustudio.org / ubuntustudio wiki in a 
>html5
>player AND on youtube, would be the best, then the users could 
>download
>them and watch them off-line, but i don't know if this is possible 
>in
>terms of available bandwidth. After all, youtube is a social-
>network and
>we should gather traffic from it, not to it.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio and Pulseaudio

[lukefromdc]

One use case for Pulse is recording the audio output of another application that
won't work with Jack. Makers of "consumer" soundcards and onboard audio 
stopped including recording the output as a hardware option at about the time
Windows Vista came out, and removed support for existing cards doing this 
from their Windows drivers. This was at the request of Hollywood. Pulseaudio
defeats this crude attempt at DRM utterly. This was the use case that put it 
back on my machines, to defeat efforts at Youtube to interfere with downloading
music videos (or otherwise saving the sound) from their site (over Tor in my 
case).

On 12/14/2015 at 6:18 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 10:19:58 +0100, br...@linuxsynths.com wrote:
>>So I guess for me, the best set-up is to do web browsing mostly 
>on a
>>different pc, and use my ubuntu-studio pc for audio work. Not a
>>problem at all, really.
>
>Without any workaround a browser does use ALSA, if jackd isn't 
>running,
>IOW simply don't launch jackd, if you don't need it, launch jackd 
>for
>audio production only.
>
>My HiFi receiver can't play the record player and the CD player at 
>the
>same time, so I'm forced to just listen to a record or a CD, I can 
>not
>listen to a record and a CD at the same time.
>
>Without a workaround ALSA can't be used by jackd and by other 
>software
>at the same time, so we are just forced to use jackd clients or 
>allow
>other clients to access ALSA, it's the same situation as for my 
>HiFi
>amp. However, as long as we don't want to use the browser for 
>audio, we
>even could use a browser while jackd is running.
>
>Listening to a keyboard teaching video, while playing a virtual 
>synth
>at the same time, recording a skype interview for a radio show and
>similar things, are exceptional circumstances. Usually we do one 
>thing
>at a time. There are also exceptional cases when a HiFi amp fails,
>e.g. if you want to listen to a spoken text CD and a music record 
>at the
>same time.
>
>We don't educate children at the same time we do our job, unless 
>the
>job is to educate children. Humans are only good in doing one 
>thing at
>a time. I read that regarding neuroscience even women don't have
>multitasking abilities. If we make music, we usually turn of the 
>radio,
>because for the brain filtering the radio music and keeping focus 
>on the
>music we make, is a very hard task, unless we don't play an 
>instrument
>or sing to the music played by the radio.
>
>IOW it's just a silly hype that there is the need to be able to 
>listen
>to several audio sources on the computer, at the same time, there 
>are
>just a few valid exceptional circumstances, so it would make more
>sense, if pulseaudio would not be the default, since without 
>pulseaudio
>it's still possible to use everything (excepted of sykpe and ...?) 
>and
>since Len didn't mention a single app that hangs or has got delayed
>performance without pulseaudio, I doubt that there are much of 
>those
>apps. On my Linux installs no app ever failed regarding a missing
>pulseaudio.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Boot partition and old kernel images - are we alone with this problem?

[lukefromdc]

This sounds like what happens when you remove a kernel with /boot not 
mounted.

On 12/10/2015 at 9:28 AM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 10 Dec 2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:39:13 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>>> I haven't actually used a vanilla Ubuntu system enough to know 
>if this
>>> is a problem there as well.
>>
>> It is a well known issue, I read about it on several other 
>vanilla
>> Ubuntu and Ubuntu flavour lists.
>
>But for some reason ubuntu server does not have this problem. It 
>is 
>upgraded by hand using apt-get directly which may be part of the 
>difference, but I do not seem to be able to get anywhere with 
>autoremove 
>on Studio either.
>
>The one place server does fail, is the kernel left from before an 
>upgrade. 
>It seems the files are left in place but there is no record of the 
>package 
>in apt.
>
>There are currently 9 kernels in my 14.04 Studio install and only 
>two in 
>my 14.04 Server install.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Gedit

[lukefromdc]

One other point: compiz still has lots of issues with client-side decorated
apps like Gedit, for users of Unity or MATE/compiz. Although a bug report
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1436553
claims it is fixed, only some parts of the problem were fixed, In gtk versions
3.16 or higher, compiz fails to tell GTK that it is in fact compositing and GTK
falls back to a "fallback mode" without transparency support for things like
rounded corners on CSD decorations. Also, a wide black border results if the
theme sets a non-zero margin, but a zero margin means no resize. There are
some workarounds for this, but they do not work in GTK3.19 so far as I can
tell.

Ubuntu nornally patches CSD apps to use traditional server side decoration, 
thus avoiding this on apps maintained by Ubuntu.

On 11/25/2015 at 4:14 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 25 Nov 2015, floccul...@gmx.co.uk wrote:
>
>> On 25/11/15 19:25, Len Ovens wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gedit seems to have gone wonky... it is not broken, but for 
>some reason the 
>>> devs have hard coded stuff into it that should be left for the 
>window 
>>> manager/theme engine. When I opened up gedit in 16.04 it has an 
>inch wide 
>>> grey "picture frame" around it and no wm decorations. It makes 
>it's own 
>>> 
>> gedit and many other gtk3 things are broken atm
>>
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1518661
>
>So the grey frame will probably be fixed, the missmatched window 
>decorations probably not. GTK3 is ugly. (at least right now) I can 
>see why 
>people are jumping off the gtk wagon.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Gedit

[lukefromdc]

Ubuntu has stayed with gedit 3.10 all the way through using parts of GNOME 3.16
for good reason. Later versions are much harder to use, GNOME has become
known for designing only around one particular workflow concept. Pluma now 
builds
quite well with gtk3 or with gtk2 if the newly released 1.12 version is used.

Best of all, a lot of the really useful things and bugfixes that GNOME does do 
get
backported into MATE apps such as Pluma. I've spent a lot of time working with
MATE right now, generally running everything from git master so I see this up 
close.

A very big change is on the horizon with gtk3.20, Ubuntu 16.04 will miss it by 
using
gtk3.18 assuming current patterns continue, but 16.10 will presumably use 
Gtk3.20.

GTK 3.20 looks to me like the biggest change since the 2.32 to 3.0 jump, as the 
theming system is totally revised, I've been working for two days to update my 
theme
and I am not done yet. 

https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2015/11/20/a-gtk-update/

Most (but NOT all) of the themeing is a matter of this sort of change to support
"css nodes" which differ from the previous selectors in their names and in the 
fact that an application developer can attach them to custom widgets instead
of using the traditiional custom widget names that give an #mywidget selector.

In addition, GTK seems to use style classes a lot less internally, applying 
them to 
a few widgets but not most of them. Ones added to application code still work.

So. the selector  "GtkMenu .menuitem" becomes "menu menuitem" and then works
mostly like before.  The ".view" selector is one of the few style classes I've 
found so
far that still works from GTK's own code. Also some pseudoclasses change, so 
that

" .mywidget .mywidgetchild.vertical" may have to be written as 
"mywidget.vertical mywidgetchild"

Much more to this, I've just started digging into it. There are also advantages 
to this
code, notably that windows and frames defined by a widget are now much easier to
work with, so that if "mywidget" makes it's own window or frame for itself, 
using 

"mywidget.window" or "mywidget.frame" works in many cases. If the application 
packs
the widget into a frame that won't work. Still not sure about all the details 
but this is what
I am finding so far.




On 11/25/2015 at 3:38 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>There was a post a few days ago on another list. The version of 
>Gedit for  
>15.10 is not in sync with the version of the GNOME packages. 
>Perhaps it's  
>the same for the Ubuntu development release.
>
>Until now I didn't use pluma on Ubuntu, but I strongly recommend 
>to take a  
>look at it, it's my most used GUI editor.
>
>I do most things with pluma and nano. There are other editors I 
>like, but  
>to replace gedit IMO pluma is the best editor.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] kdenlive

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The 15.08 version is VERY buggy, it is the embryo of something great yet to 
come.
The 15.04 version is very stable-but not included in ANY version of Ubuntu. 
Probably
can still be fished out of the Sunab PPA from last April or so for 15.04. 

I work with kdenlive every couple days and build it from git master so I know 
when 
some (not all) of the bugs cycle in and out.

On 11/11/2015 at 4:34 PM, "Grant Frank Burton"  wrote:
>
>Hi
>WMID, wily werewolf 15.10 - version 5 kdenlive
>
>On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 9:53 PM, WMID  wrote:
>
>> Hi Frank, do you can said me what version of kdenlive you have 
>installed,
>> is you are ussing UbuntuStudio 14.04 or 15.04 or 15.10
>>
>> 2015-11-11 15:37 GMT-05:00 Grant Frank Burton 
>:
>>
>>> Greetings all
>>>
>>> I tried to make a video in kdenlive and after a while after 
>I had had
>>> a bunch of stuff going on it just started to crash.
>>> I reported the bug in KDE
>>>
>>> anyone else have problems?
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] CyberSec For Creative Humans

[lukefromdc]

How well does this work for recovering a viable still from an H264 video?
Remember we are talking about software recovery after all deletion
of files followed by overwrite of all available space (newly and otherwise)
with random numbers. This takes 4 dd runs on a 16GB chip.

I've still been recommending total destruction if a felony is accidently 
(or not accidently) filmed. If a camera with internal storage is used, 
that mandates CAMERA destruction, thus the need for cameras with
SD card storage.

There is also the converse case of filming police  committing
a felony and wanting the best possible data preservation complete with chain
of custody and backup images in case evidence is "lost" by unsympathetic
prosecutors. I hear of such cases but have no experience with that. Certainly
a whole device DD image should then be kept and the original card
immediately set read-only and taken out of service.

On 10/30/2015 at 2:28 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>> On 30.10.2015, at 18:13, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> I've tested wiping the cards and running file recovery, Foremost 
>, photorec,
>> and other software file recovery won't get anything.  Haredware 
>recovery
>> from bare flash chips off an SD card is much more expensive.
>
>It's possible to recover incomplete pics by data fragments that 
>don't have hidden directory entries anymore. Recovery software 
>usually just recovers directory entries, likely by changing a 
>delete flag and similar. Police likely doesn't do this with a hex 
>editor, they likely have software that helps doing this. Such 
>software also does math to revert some graphic effects that were 
>used to blur faces or text on a photos.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Krita - Was: PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[lukefromdc]

I had no trouble using GIMP for photoediting even on Pentium III class
machines. None of the photos were larger than 6MP however.

On 10/29/2015 at 7:38 AM, "set"  wrote:
>
>On 2015-10-29 12:27, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> Gimp (and PhotoShop) are for painting/drawing too.
>> 
>> Krita performs on other machines as other apps do? On my machine 
>it
>> performs very bad. It's very, very slow. Does it require special
>> graphics settings, CPU and or RAM resources that aren't needed 
>for GIMP?
>> 
>Yes you can draw with gimp too, and do so very well. But gimp has 
>MANY
>functions and is hence not always suited for painters who do not 
>really
>care about those affinities. I run it on intel core i3 with 4 gb 
>ram and
>no graphic cards, its smooth like a vanilla yogurth. I also run it 
>on a
>intel core i7 with 16gb ram, Nvidia 4gb GTX770 and SSD. The only
>difference between both machines i can notice (except from the 
>obvious
>overall system speed increase) is that the 16gb ram one can handle 
>more
>layers. No special settings required... Never crashed, computer 
>never
>said "no".. :)
>
>Here is a picture i've drawn with it. Nothing else used. At it's 
>height
>it had 17 layers with transparencies and filters and such... Not a 
>huge
>piece of any sort, but proof it works well for what is ment.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[lukefromdc]

I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for my sister with
Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved in the whole
Unity controversy. The needs of a hacker preferring a rolling release and those
of a Window refugee are nearly opposite oneanother

On 10/29/2015 at 11:44 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>>> The reasons might help to find contributors (and to win more 
>users):
>>> 
>>> - Ubuntu is the most known major distro
>>> - Ubuntu has got a past and a future [1]
>>> - Ubuntu follows the user-friendly approach with all it's pros 
>and
>>>  cons. For Linux beginners just the pros of the user-friendly 
>approach
>>>  counts, so it makes sense to contribute to Ubuntu, to spread 
>Linux.
>> 
>> This is a great start to 3 potential posts on 
>http://ubuntustudio.org It
>> would be awsome if you could develop these 3 points further and 
>post it
>> here!!
>
>1. Ubuntu is the most known major distro
>=
>It doesn't matter what distrowatch claims, since the number one 
>"Mint" is neither user-friendly, nor well supported. If Mint users 
>need help, they send requests to the Debian or Ubuntu Mailing 
>list. People who know nothing about Linux have heard the Name 
>Ubuntu, a lot of clueless people think that Ubuntu is Linux.
>
>2. Ubuntu has got a past and a future
>===
>Ubuntu isn't just a one-hit wonder. When I started using Linux, 
>Ubuntu wasn't released. Ubuntu is around now for 10 years, in the 
>meantime several multimedia distros come and go. Even the few 
>focused on audio only, that were based on Ubuntu/Debian and could 
>be used with the official Ubuntu or Debian repositories failed 
>after a while. Some might still exist, but could cause issues with 
>official repositories.
>
>The downside of Ubuntu's future is related to a few facts and 
>rumors, so I only will explain why the facts are not much 
>important for a user-friendly approach distro. What is considered 
>as Ubuntu spyware are features wanted by many clueless users. 
>Facts are several data sharing applications that indeed are a PITA 
>for some of us, but for e.g. Windows refugees those usually are 
>not a problem at all.
>
>Regarding a poll Arch and Ubuntu are the most used distros by pro-
>audio users and Ubuntu Studio is a flavour that exists for several 
>years, sure it's not that old as Ubuntu is, but it already is 
>established. Perhaps CCRMA is noteworthy too, but Ubuntu still is 
>more known by the averaged population.
>
>3. Ubuntu follows the user friendly approach with all it's pros 
>and cons
>===
>The distro I prefer for me is Arch Linux. Arch is not user 
>friendly, but much friendlier for my computer usage. If I should 
>recommend a distro to averaged computer users, I wouldn't 
>recommend a distro that requires a deep understanding of 
>computers, such as Arch does.
>The averaged user needs something that doesn't come with a complex 
>learning curve and this is what's provided by the Ubuntu policy.
>
>4. Why Ubuntu and not Debian, Suse or another user-friendly major 
>distro?
>==
>Ubuntu provides free as in beer space and supports so called 
>"flavours". Other than Debian or Ubuntu derivatives, a flavour is 
>an official part of Ubuntu, this rules out the well known issues 
>caused by derivatives.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[lukefromdc]

One limiting factor will be that I do not have the bandwidth to download
the latest  .iso's to check installation details so I will have to refer to 
external
postings for things like setting up encryption.

None of the realtime audio issues affect making news audio or video, so  many
of the complex issues that US has had to deal with for the more complex music
creation don't come up. For use cases where they do (e.g political rap) I do not
have the experience to address that part of the picture.

The critical issues are photo editing with removal of EXIF metadata, video
editing with a stable version of Kdenlive, and (easiest) audio editing using
Audacity, which is simpler to use than Ardour and has never had phone
home code in it. Also the now very ugly browser privacy and security issue,
and the severe problems at Mozila that in fact threaten the future of this.

Kdenlive is an issue right now. The 15.08 used in Wily is stable enough
for short projects but becomes buggy as hell on long ones-the release notes
even warn of this. Vivid has only 0.9.10 which is seriously obsolete. so 
probably
I would have to make note of plans at Kdenlive that the 15.12 or 16.04 version
that will presumably be in US 16.04 LTS would be much more stable, as was
the 15.04 version that no version of Ubuntu distributed except via PPA. There
is talk of directly targetting US 16.04 for a seriously debugged version, 
however.

There is also the very complex browser security issue, not one browser is
anywhere near secure by default except for torbrowser. None the less
I will offer tips for securing Firefox, with the caveat that Mozilla has
deprecated the entire extension infrastructure and that updates to the
upcoming Firefox 43 will probably have to be blocked unless the needed
extensions all get signed-and that a still unknown later version will have to
be rejected unless they either delay removing support for the old extensions.
all of them get ported over, or the now proposed compatability layer works
well enough. Probably I will have to recommend that Firefox be pinned at
installation of 15.10 or older and warn that this means no security updates.

Mozilla's current behavior is bad enough to turn the browser security issue
into a "not for amateurs" issue unless all activity is to be over Tor simply
to avoid Firefox's phoning home. In fact, as an "insecure" browser used 
only to get past a captive portal I think GNOME Web and Rekonq are
both safer than a non-expert install of Firefox at this point, simply to 
keep Mozilla from having logs of the connections to the wifi access 
points.

On 10/29/2015 at 2:38 PM, "set"  wrote:
>
>On 2015-10-29 18:22, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for 
>my sister with
>> Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved 
>in the whole
>> Unity controversy.
>
>Please consider writing a guide on how to use ubuntustudio and 
>what to
>think of when engaging in activism and source-protective 
>journalism!
>That could also make a great post on http://ubuntustudio.org
>
>*set
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[lukefromdc]

You are so right about mobile phones and tablets-they are incredibly dangerous 
and thus
I do not own one. Even a dumb phone is kept batteries out unless making a call, 
which
has to be done from places my presence can be admitted to.

When I think of online activism, I am speaking of organizing people in ways 
that lead
to boots on the ground, of posting news reports and communiques afterwards, that
kind of thing. My news reports for the Baltimore Uprising were an example, and 
after
the shit hit the fan there, I feared that the cops would try a general sweep 
for journalists
as happened in another city after a riot. I had to escape and evade early, 
hurredly get
all the clips into encrypted storage and wipe the camera card with random 
numbers.
I also knew where NOT to point the camera, for instance at anyone breaking 
windows.

I have gone out of my way to stay entirely out of the widely circulated hardware
and OS databases kept by the ad networks and subject at any time to subpeona
or simply purchase by any nation's security agencies.  This is the reason for 
the 
extreme amount of browser lockdown. If Firefox gets useless, I suppose I could 
simply add all of Disconnect's blocklist to /etc/hosts and use Rekonq with JS
disabled by default, opening only known safe sites with JS enabled and 
boycotting
any site that mixes necessary with unsafe JS.


On 10/29/2015 at 4:47 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>> On 29.10.2015, at 19:37, set  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-10-29 18:22, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>> I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for 
>my sister with
>>> Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved 
>in the whole
>>> Unity controversy.
>> 
>> Please consider writing a guide on how to use ubuntustudio and 
>what to
>> think of when engaging in activism and source-protective 
>journalism!
>> That could also make a great post on http://ubuntustudio.org
>
>Perhaps activism shouldn't be mentioned regarding legal issues. 
>"Activism" in context of computers has much to do with 
>"Distributed Denial of Servic", "Guerilla Open Access Manifesto" 
>and some kind of hacktivism even is considered as being an issue 
>for free journalism.
>
>The averaged hacktivist doesn't need hints and the best hint for 
>unexperienced computer users such as journalists, is not to use a 
>computer for journalism at all and not to own a mobile or tablet 
>PC.
>
>It might be useful to clarify some issues with browsers, e.g. 
>problems with auto-completion of search engines, safe browsing, 
>but also when a sandbox is useful or not. Why wrong usage of 
>encryption and signing is more dangerous, then being aware that 
>data isn't safe. Even the man page of "shred" informs that the 
>default file system used by Ubuntu Studio renders "shred" useless. 
>Enabling popcon and stuf like this shouldn't be done.
>
>A high level of security and a user-friendly OOTB average desktop 
>experience are mutually exclusive.
>
>Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[lukefromdc]

Simplest approach: US on a non-networked, encrypted desktop to make
media and strip metadata that can identify cameras, plus a laptop used
with TAILS to handle posting the materal from offsite connections.

On 10/29/2015 at 4:47 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>> On 29.10.2015, at 19:37, set  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-10-29 18:22, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>> I agree with this. No way in Hell I would set up a machine for 
>my sister with
>>> Debian Unstable, and not one of the Ubuntu flavors are involved 
>in the whole
>>> Unity controversy.
>> 
>> Please consider writing a guide on how to use ubuntustudio and 
>what to
>> think of when engaging in activism and source-protective 
>journalism!
>> That could also make a great post on http://ubuntustudio.org
>
>Perhaps activism shouldn't be mentioned regarding legal issues. 
>"Activism" in context of computers has much to do with 
>"Distributed Denial of Servic", "Guerilla Open Access Manifesto" 
>and some kind of hacktivism even is considered as being an issue 
>for free journalism.
>
>The averaged hacktivist doesn't need hints and the best hint for 
>unexperienced computer users such as journalists, is not to use a 
>computer for journalism at all and not to own a mobile or tablet 
>PC.
>
>It might be useful to clarify some issues with browsers, e.g. 
>problems with auto-completion of search engines, safe browsing, 
>but also when a sandbox is useful or not. Why wrong usage of 
>encryption and signing is more dangerous, then being aware that 
>data isn't safe. Even the man page of "shred" informs that the 
>default file system used by Ubuntu Studio renders "shred" useless. 
>Enabling popcon and stuf like this shouldn't be done.
>
>A high level of security and a user-friendly OOTB average desktop 
>experience are mutually exclusive.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[lukefromdc]

An update of Firefox that diabled NoScript or Canvasblocker would make the 
browser
no longer usable for security work. If the lack of updates is unsafe than NO 
version
of Firefox would remain useful. 

On 10/29/2015 at 5:02 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>> On 29.10.2015, at 21:43, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> torbrowser
>
>... is useful for one kind of security, but for another kind of 
>security sandboxing done by Chrome is useful. Not updating 
>browsers could be very risky.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] CyberSec For Creative Humans (was: PR)

[lukefromdc]

Yes-a secure, untraceable posting requires that the user do absolutely NOTHING 
else
in the entire session. There are multiple security levels in question here, 
from a high 
school student blowing the whistle on a "gropy" principal to releasing video of 
police
brutality in a corrupt town (or country), all the way to the Snowden level of 
material
that could change the course of war, trade agreements, or diplomacy. 

The main reason I suggested TAILS is that use of any live disk insulates the 
machine
against spyware inserted during a previous session. Needless to say, if the 
user has
to go online to figure out how to use Tor safely, the session is blown and 
another
location and time must be used. Same for having to download Torbrowser, which 
also is 
increasingly blocked by IP's trying to indirectly block Tor via "chicken and 
egg." With 
TAILS some basic security settings (including disguising the theme as Windows) 
are
asked about at boot time.

Of course, at the Snowden level if spyware inserted into the current session 
reveals a real IP 
address you need to be on a connection not traceable to you and not on a 
security camera, 
and if it reveals a CPU ID you need to be using a one-use, expendable computer. 
 A new
bottom-barrel  laptop costs no more than an hour or two of a lawyer's time, and 
two hours 
of a top-notch  laywer's time costs as much as a burn laptop, a burn cellular 
wifi access point. 
and prepaid with cash airtime cards all combined. Thus, Tor is but one layer in 
a multilayered
defense. Single-layer defenses usually get penetrated sooner or later. 

Even at the level of posting a video of the local cops beating someone up, the 
combination of
Tor with use of a public access point and a new account on the host service 
created that same
session can mean being able to sleep at night without worrying about a police 
raid for something
like "wiretapping"(overturned in MD but not in never-litigated states) or a 
subpeona for raw clips.

Encryption's value is in the hands of someone willing to defy a subpeona 
regardless of the
penalties (to not snitch) and able to remember a strong passphrase and use it 
right. It is known that
the use of encrypted email frustrated British cops and the FBI during the 
Huntingdon Life Sciences
(vivisection) campaign, and that a UK key disclosure order was defied and the 
defiance gotten away
with by the activists in that campaign.

Dealing with any cyber-adversary (even the ad networks) is in fact a form of 
warfare. Both offense
and defense exist and the balance of power is ever-changing. Also the 
importance of training: it's a 
lot easier to keep something secure and yet get the job done when you are 
intimately familar with 
the tools in question.

On 10/29/2015 at 6:13 PM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>A few notes from the ...
>
>> On 29.10.2015, at 22:35, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>> TAILS
>
>... homepage.
>
>"Even though we do our best to offer you good tools to protect 
>your privacy while using a computer, there is no magic or perfect 
>solution to such a complex problem. Understanding well the limits 
>of such tools is a crucial step to, first, decide whether Tails is 
>the right tool for you, and second, make a good use of it."
>
>"A global passive adversary would be a person or an entity able to 
>monitor at the same time the traffic between all the computers in 
>a network. By studying, for example, the timing and volume 
>patterns of the different communications across the network, it 
>would be statistically possible to identify Tor circuits and thus 
>match Tor users and destination servers."
>
>"It is usually not advisable to use the same Tails session to 
>perform two tasks or endorse two contextual identities that you 
>really want to keep separate from one another. For example hiding 
>your location to check your email and anonymously publishing a 
>document.
>First, because Tor tends to reuse the same circuits, for example, 
>within the same browsing session. Since the exit node of a circuit 
>knows both the destination server (and possibly the content of the 
>communication if it's not encrypted) and the address of the 
>previous relay it received the communication from, it makes it 
>easier to correlate several browsing requests as part of a same 
>circuit and possibly made by the same user. If you are facing a 
>global adversary as described above, it might then also be in a 
>position to do this correlation.
>
>Second, in case of a security hole or an error in using Tails or 
>one of its applications, information about your session could be 
>leaked. That could reveal that the same person was behind the 
>various actions made during the session."
>
>Résumé
>
>The user can not simply use a distro to be secure, the user still 
>needs to learn how to use the distro.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] CyberSec For Creative Humans

[lukefromdc]

At the creation level, the value is in having software that does not require
activation.  That rules out paid software like Windows video editors 
(and lightworks) and sound editors. It also rules out Windows.

If someone installs US from a new iso on an offline machine, there is
no network and nothing can phone home, yet everything works. if 
codecs are missing from the ISO, they can be fetched by flash drive
and again brought in for offline installation. Easy way: install also to a 
laptop, pull the packages somewhere else, save them from the APT
cache, bring them home. Actually this codec issue is does complicate
things just enough to require someone with some computer skills
to set up the machine. This is an issue because of cameras that shoot
to H264 or other patented codecs. 

On Windows we would be talking  about activation on a particular machine,
plus the use of currency over the network, itself an issue that could identify
the owner of the system. We also have no proof that proprietary editors
are not watermarking output in some way, possibly even enough to identify
a particular license. We do know that many printers do this, after all.



On 10/29/2015 at 7:25 PM, "Len Ovens"  wrote:
>
>On Thu, 29 Oct 2015, set wrote:
>
>> On 2015-10-29 23:44, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>>> Yes-a secure, untraceable posting requires that the user do 
>absolutely NOTHING else
>>> in the entire session.
>>
>> Or, you put it on a usb-stick, go to a cybercafé with make-up 
>and funky
>> hair and pay cash
>>
>>> Encryption's value is in the hands of someone willing to defy a 
>subpeona regardless of the
>>> penalties (to not snitch) and able to remember a strong 
>passphrase and use it right.
>>
>> This is very deep. For real. (Besides also being modern love-song
>> material!) It's the core of information-transmission in any 
>form: value
>> of, and in trust.
>>
>> But how does ubuntustudio translate this? How does the awareness 
>of the
>> vulnerability of a computer integrate with the creative process?
>
>Having read some of these things... I think there are two distinct 
>actions 
>involved here. Artistic creation and distribution. It is 
>reasonable in 
>some cases even on a machine that is never conected to the network 
>to want 
>to ensure the disk is not readable by anyone but the owner. That 
>is what 
>an encrypted disk is for. However, I think the art of distribution 
>in an 
>untracable way is probably outside the scope of Ubuntu Studio.
>
>So being able to create a clean (metadata wise) 
>Audio/video/graphic is 
>something that should be doable with studio, but having SW that 
>protects 
>browsers or allows traceless connection is not. I think there are 
>two 
>reasons for this. One is that Ubuntu would not want to be seen as 
>a 
>"cracker's" tool kit (or criminal's tool kit). The other, is that 
>I think 
>someone who's life depends on their online security would want to 
>build 
>that security from the bottom up so that _they_ know what they 
>have and 
>can be sure they have done their best and that the security they 
>are 
>relying on is not a trap to catch them in the first place.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PR & Support: Where to fish for contributors?

[lukefromdc]

The commercial. ad-supported social networks are so dangerous that I 
not only do not use them but actually block both Google and facebook
in /etc/hosts. I've even asked people I work with not to post photos 
containing me to Facebook due to their facial recognition database.

It would seem to be that any special-purpose distro would be actively
sought out using whatever search engine a user or contributor normally
relied on.

On 10/28/2015 at 8:31 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:14:19 +0100, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
>>There would be no Ubuntu Studio without social networks.
>
>Ubuntu is a major distro and as for many other major distros too, a
>multimedia port in spite of itself grow up. I doubt that the big 
>social
>networks are useful for anything good on this planet. IMO the big
>social networks are sandboxes for anything that doesn't fit to a
>good forum. There are forums for every domain.
>
>It's more useful to be present in forums and mailing lists that are
>related to computers and/or multimedia.
>
>The big social networks collect and share data for marketing of
>big companies and for misuse by governments, IOW for organisations 
>that
>are against the spirit of transparency.
>
>I didn't search for crap on Facebook and Co, I just used a search
>engine to search for Facebook and Co in generell. All hits linked 
>to
>crap.
>
>Black and white opinions about world affairs and scatology even 
>when
>talking about banalities, e.g. a potato in a potato chips bag is 
>all
>search engines will link to, resp. it's listed on top of the social
>networks by them self.
>
>That's the homepage of reddit. I did not pick some odd exception, I
>just clicked on the links provided there: https://www.reddit.com/
>
>There are no serious links I missed, there's crap only.
>
>Public relation on such a forum is like public relation written 
>with a
>permanent marker under the blue light of a railway station toilet.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

[lukefromdc]

Google docs should be avoided simply due to Google's massive tracking
and presumed sale of personal information to ad networks. When someone
I work with sends a link to a Google doc, I can't open it because it won't work
on Tor browser and I keep Google blocked in /etc/hosts to prevent them from
fingerprinting my browser or hardware. I don't trust anything but Torbrowser 
against Google. Tor Browser ignores /etc/hosts so this is a simple way to 
make a site Tor-only. Unfortunately things like commercial map sites and 
Google Docs don't work in Torbrowser.

On 10/20/2015 at 6:36 AM, "Set Hallstrom"  wrote:
>
>On 2015-10-20 12:25, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>
>> You can just add a page at the wiki somewhere. It can always be 
>redone
>> and renamed so it's all pretty safe.
>> Also, makes it easier for people to contribute, all though the 
>wiki
>> syntax might be hard for some people. If that is a problem, and 
>many
>> would like to help, google docs may be a better place - I don't 
>know.
>
>Cool! The further away from google, the happier robot i am. :) And 
>since
>the wiki-tool is there for us why not use it? This said, I have 
>nothing
>against copy pasting someones work from a google doc. Formatting
>shouldn't be much of a problem. The craving part is to actually 
>type the
>content to be formatted. But that is probably just my opinion.
>
>I'm getting started with graphics, simply because i reckon it's the
>work-flow i am the most experienced with.
>
>Have a great day y'all!
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Call for Final Beta Testing

[lukefromdc]

Some "hybrid UEFI" boards are really picky about what they will boot from! I've 
got one
that can boot UDB sticks but usually rejects the CD or DVD drive no matter what 
is on
the disk, and also rejects some older USB images that work in other machines.

Before condemning the motherboard, put a hard drive from a known good Linux
system on it and see if it will boot. This trick works only with Linux and not 
with
Windows due to Windows both being a microkernel and having corporate checks 
against
changing machines.

On 9/26/2015 at 2:52 PM, "Grant Frank Burton"  wrote:
>
>I think it's the motherboard because I can start two other 
>computers
>with the iso-USB stick and with the live-dvd in a usb-dvd-drive.
>I tried ubuntu 12, 14, ubuntustudio 14, 15 and windows. It's not 
>possible
>to boot this system via the usb port and I tried all six ports.
>
>Also sometimes the computer restarts when I plug things in to the 
>usb
>
>So first I'll try to re-seat the motherboard in the case. If that 
>don't
>work I flash it. if that don't work I'll replace it
>
>Grant
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Mike Holstein 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Grant Frank Burton 
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's something wrong with my motherboard usb ports. I tried 
>several
>>> zip drives and a usb-dvd... none worked. Connected a sata dvd 
>and it
>>> installed but. I couldn't connect to the internet during 
>the install
>>> and the option to upgrade 14 was unavailable.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> i assume by "zip drive" you mean, USB stick? portable USB stick? 
>i would
>> test that independently from the iso's, and dont assume the 
>motherboard is
>> broken, if the USB drives are not booting.. you could just be 
>making them
>> incorrectly..
>>
>>
>>> Going to flash the bios and try again... if it don't work I'll 
>have to
>>> wait till Monday to get another motherboard.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Len Ovens  
>wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, 26 Sep 2015, Grant Frank Burton wrote:

 I use a terminal and zsync
>
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/20150924/wily-dvd-
>amd64.iso.zsync
> I'm downloading the whole iso now. will let you know what 
>happened
>

 I think the question is what tool are you using to print the 
>ISO to a
 USB stick. The Startup Disk Creator probably will not work. I 
>use dd.
 For example:
 dd if=some.iso of=/dev/sdd

 Where sdd is the mounted USB stick as found at the end of 
>dmesg just
 after plugging the stick in.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license

[lukefromdc]

That's a good point. Consider this scenario: People put their names on 
everything.
and the software is used by insurgents against a repressive regime. Unable to 
catch
the insurgents, the regime in question simply goes after any and all persons 
whose 
names can be tied to the work, copyright holders of the tools included.

Here in the US, if someone is arrested with a cell phone, every person whose 
phone
number is in that phone is potentially placed at risk if the case is "hot" 
enough. In 
addition, metadata attached to finished work can be used to tie one piece of 
work
to another. That plus concealing the camera I use is why all jpegs I publish 
shot from
my camera are stripped of their metadata. For years I have encouraged the 
anonymization
of such things: if you always strip metadata, you won't forget to do so when it 
really 
counts, like when a police shooting triggers an uprising and police hunt 
independent
cameramen and videographers for "evidence." 

It is also a common practice here that when underground activists put "points 
on the 
board" against something like logging or gas fracking, aboveground activists 
whose 
names are known are harassed. 

There is a lot of media published by those who must conceal their true names! I 
don't
permit my "legal" name to cross the Internet, and release the news media pieces 
I 
write to public domain with no names on photos or videos other than those of 
other
activists who want their names used and provided 3ed party media.


On 9/21/2015 at 5:29 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote:
>>why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ?
>
>Hi,
>
>I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because
>they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how 
>to
>make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open 
>the
>svg file.
>Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the
>ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license?
>
>$ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}'
>ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16
>$ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright
>License: CC-BY-SA-2.5
>
>[ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint
>stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of 
>the
>copyright holders? [/ironic]
>
>Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I
>would make my own art public without a license.
>
>The other question was about meta data add by applications. I 
>didn't
>miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to
>create a jpg, png, svg?
>
>For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program,
>DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender
>150XL or what ever else was used.
>
>A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes
>
>$ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment
>Comment : Created with GIMP
>
>because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for 
>recognition by
>the coders or do they help to fulfil laws?
>
>I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name
>Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not.
>
>My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was
>used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't
>be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and
>"Inkscape" to "bar".
>
>I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data.
>Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all
>information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data 
>to a
>file of a picture or song.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

[lukefromdc]

Those who expect paid service quality are probably better off paying
for it. On the other hand, Windows 10 is so malicious they will need
to pay for 3ed party tech support to stop the spying.

Maybe direct them to a known good Ubuntu or Mint LTS, then to paid
apps that run on it and have paid tech support?  When you use free 
software you are not paying people to staff call centers and provide
24-7 support. You need to bring your own browser, fire up Startpage
or DuckDuckgo, and look for the solution yourself.

When I got dissatisfied with every desktop in existance, instead of 
complaining I started hacking, now some of my work on MATE might
be going to GIT master.

A free community is based on mutual exchange. With things that have
a zero reproduction cost a lot of free riders is fine, but you get out of
free software what you put into it.

On 9/8/2015 at 4:51 AM, "ttoine"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Many users act as if they had paid for the distro/SW/whatever 
>and must be
>> served on a 24/7 basis within seconds of saying "hello". They 
>are not
>> willing to read anything, but rather expect to talk to some real 
>person.
>> Then they expect that person to guess their setup (ESP?) and do 
>not like to
>> be told "that won't work". Many of these queries can only be 
>answered by
>> people who understand the technical side of things... and these 
>people get
>> worn out.
>>
>> We need tools to help ease this.
>>
>
>Right ! That is why I propose to have everything in the same place 
>instead
>of having to go on many websites.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Off-topic: Elementary OS

[lukefromdc]

That is so true! For years I used Audacity in UbuntuStudio to make radio pieces
about exactly that sort of thing. Someone mentioned the "loudness wars," well
you would not believe how much compression is needed for a low powered station
(especially AM) when there is no analog compressor/limiter in the line to the 
transmitter! The maximum level is controlled easily enough by the master volume
but without boatloads of compression you can lose half your broadcast range.

Radio amateurs take this to the extreme, they used flat-out clipping followed 
by 
aggressive filtration to limit frequency range as far back as the early 1960's. 
This 
gives understandable but not natural sounding speech, and can be equivalent to 
almost ten times more transmitter power. That combined with huge antennas
allows a 100W transmitter on SW to talk halfway around the world when a 50,000
watt broadcast setup can have dead spots 5 miles from the antenna.

On 9/7/2015 at 6:06 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>Off-topic, but a topic of uproar and hypocrisy.
>
>On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 09:47:55 +0200, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
>>I was planning to do that this weekend (but ended up creating
>>web site and wiki for a refugee initiative instead).
>
>That's good and more important then another Linux website.
>
>A banker, a yellow press reader and a refugee have to portion 20
>cookies. The banker captures 19 cookies and says to the yellow 
>press
>reader that he should take care, the refugee might want to steel 
>the
>remaining cookie.
>
>I need to vent, it's off-topic, but I don't care, I'll include a
>software request ;). I'm writing applications for jobs to help 
>refugees.
>Those jobs aren't full jobs, they are badly paid, impermanent,
>insecure, since there's no social protection. Such work be held in 
>low
>esteem and a lot of people, including me, aren't allowed to upgrade
>one's education. Since I'm an atheist it's even hard to get such a 
>job,
>requirement usually is to believe in God. Church tax in Germany is 
>not
>used for social work, for this work church gets additional money,
>church tax is just to increase wealth of the church that isn't 
>shared
>with people in need. Weapons dealers and bankers from our European
>countries OTOH be held in high esteem, are rolling in money, have
>nothing to worry, since they are living in social security, 
>although
>they are responsible for the circumstances. If the weapon dealer 
>and
>bankers do bad jobs, they get money from the folk to rescue them. 
>Those
>who beliefe in a god should consider what kind of idiot this god 
>must
>be. European politician btw. can do what they want, they get money 
>and
>social security for their whole life, if they "worked" as 
>politician
>for a short time. The "work" often is just to sign some attendance
>register from time to time.
>
>However, is there some PDF software to issue a PDF application? 
>IOW to
>add a photo to the personal data sheet etc., without the need to 
>read
>user manuals for hours? PDFs are requirements for applications and 
>most
>of the times a mobile phone number is another requirement, landline
>(that's what I've got) often isn't accepted. Too funny, since many
>Germans dislike poor people who own mobile phones. It's a status
>symbol, a very strange status symbole, since it's easy to get it. 
>For
>many Germans it's really a problem if refugees own mobile phones. 
>That's
>strange since this is one of the few things everybody, even the 
>poorest
>human easily can own in Germany. I don't have one because I dislike
>mobile phones, they aren't expensive, but they are an evil sign of 
>the
>times.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] "elementary OS" ... ONE Ubuntustudio user's thoughts ...

[lukefromdc]

For something totally tuned and optimized to one system and one user, the
usual recommendation is something like Gentoo. probably better for my uses
but no way in hell I'd want to have to tech support this for someone else. For 
those who are not hackers, Ubuntu-based distros still have a lot going for them,
such as easy online search for help due to the large userbase.

What forced me to Debian was fears that the Snappy transition would screw up 
running a system that is never reinstalled, only update continuously from the 
alpha or rolling release of the day. That sort of thing has no bearing on what 
is
suitable for someone to download and install in the place of their Windows 
install
that got flagged by their ISP for sending spam after being botted.

On 9/4/2015 at 10:43 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:40:54 +0800, C. F. Howlett wrote:
>>I had SO MUCH fun doing all kinds of multimedia things that would
>>otherwise have been prohibitively expensive under my other OS, and
>>I've happily dualbooted Ubuntustudio since its first release.
>
>That's a good evidence that the Linux public relation works. This 
>is
>what many Linux users claim, but actually there's a huge scene for 
>free
>as in beer software for Windows too, especially for audio and 
>that's the
>reason that so many people wish to get native Windows VSTs to work,
>since they miss a lot of high quality free as in beer plugins, let 
>a
>lone that much software is multi-platform, e.g. GIMP.
>
>I don't like Apple and Microsoft and excepted of a tablet PC (an 
>iPAD),
>I got for free as in beer, I don't use it. There are good reasons 
>to be
>against those companies, but costs, available free or inexpensive 
>art
>applications, user base aren't those reasons.
>
>Regarding the idea of making a new independent audio distro, I 
>would
>prefer an Ubuntu independent distro, assumed the user base would 
>be huge
>enough. I'm against small distros with small user bases.
>
>A new independent distro would cause additional issues. Ubuntu has 
>got
>a clear-cut course, this is an advantage, because making a policy 
>about
>the core architecture of a distro is much work, would come with 
>much
>bikeshedding, flame wars, IOW it would waste much time.
>
>Thinking of the averaged user, beginner, it makes sense to stay 
>with
>Ubuntu. To get something more powerful does mean to restrict some
>things, but this is hard to do for a huge community, regarding the
>different thinking of the individuals. OTOH Ubuntu has it's
>restrictions too. Anyway, balancing pros and cons is easy.
>
>My multi-boot is Arch Linux and Ubuntu. Arch's clear-cut course is 
>to
>be _not_ user-friendly, Arch is user-centric. "[Arch Linux] is 
>what you
>make it."
>
>IMO to provide a good OOTB experience it's good to stay with 
>Ubuntu. To
>avoid the bad side effects I wished there would public relation for
>diversity. There's no need for an oath of allegiance, to stay with 
>one
>distro, one WM/DE etc. forever. Unfortunately Linux has got a 
>religious
>aura.
>
>IMO Ubuntu/Debian, Suse etc. are good for averaged needs, such as
>mailing, browsing, office work, for beginners and power users and 
>for
>special needs, such as audio work those distros are good for 
>beginners
>and perhaps power users too, but power users also can switch to 
>other
>distros that are more DIY based.
>
>My last bikeshedding comment to this thread:
>
>The goal to provide a multimedia distro that automagically works 
>with
>everybody's hardware and that ships with an OOTB to use default
>environment is easier to provide, when being an Ubuntu flavour, 
>then
>when being an independent distro.
>
>Something that should appeal to be independent, tuned, optimised,
>requires interest of the individual user and can't be the goal of 
>an
>OOTB approach distro.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

[lukefromdc]

In my experience if you want to use Linux in general it pays to pre-research
any new or newly purchased hardware and screen out things like Nvidia
graphics that work poorly with FOSS software and drivers. For instance,
I would not accept any camera that wrote only to an internal hard drive
unless I knew for certain it could be connected to without Windoze or Crapple.

If I were stuck with such a camera I would have to sell it unused and use the
proceeds to buy one with removable storage.

On 9/2/2015 at 10:54 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 15:09:55 +0200, ttoine wrote:
>>What is great with usb2 class compliant audio devices, is that any
>>device working with Apple iPad will work out of the box with 
>Linux.
>
>That's nice. OTOH the cheapest RME USB device seems to be the
>Babyface. It's much more expensive than the HDSPe AIO PCIe card 
>and RME
>hides minimal buffer sizes for the Babyface, but the HDSPe AIO is
>advertised with buffer sizes. Why do they hide the buffer sizes?
>
>However, you pay for the card plus the new total mix, a mixer 
>seemingly
>similar to mixbus. It's not available for Linux, so pay for Mixbus 
>or a
>similar solution too.
>
>I wonder if the class compilant modus even allows to use the aged 
>total
>mix we know as hdspmixer?
>
>One reason to use FLOSS is that a lot is available for free as in 
>beer,
>unfortunately software is bundled with the hardware, IOW you pay 
>for
>what you need, but can't use it with Linux. For Linux there aren't
>FLOSS solutions to replace what you already bought.
>
>Linux became a bottomless pit.
>
>Your goal to make an Ubuntu independent Linux audio distro to 
>provide
>something that can compete better to proprietary solutions is the 
>wrong
>track. Hardware companies already bundle what users need and they
>usually provide it for Apple and Microsoft based systems only. An
>exception is Behringer. Behringer nowadays seems to support Linux
>platforms too, but Behringer is bottom quality, you even can't 
>unscrew,
>repair/maintain and screw down Behringer gear without trouble.
>
>Hardware for Linux always was an issue and for audio it becomes a 
>more
>serious issue at the moment.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

[lukefromdc]

Not everyone has ever used a Windows or MAC workstation, I've done low 
power radio audio and activist video on Audacity and Kdenlive respectively.
I do not have money to buy paid software, nor do I trust closed packages not
to phone home with my sensitive raw material. 

In audio I have added sung tracks to Audacity projects with several other 
tracks 
playing, and recorded audio from both internal and external sources using both
onboard sound and the old-style $7 soundcards. The latter lacked a front 
headphone
jack but supported internal recording from the output, which requires PA or JACK
with current onboard sound due to the board makers taking money from Hollywood.
Unless dealing with pulseaudio bugs or a damaged soundcard I was always able to 
get
good enough sound for two tracks. I've never had, not sure I've even SEEN one 
of 
those surround sound systems.

Not having ever used the paid software does mean I have exactly NO idea 
what people are saying when they claim it does a better job. OK, some versions
of Kdenlive are utterly stable and some are crashy, but the only thing I would 
really like to see (andf it's coming) is usage of the GPU to let transitions 
and 
effects play in full realtime.  I've rendered out videos over an hour long with
Kdenlive, and also made intensely comples "year in review" videos with literally
hundreds of clips, captions made as .png files, the works.   If you sat me down
in front of a $10K pro workstation to do that video, it would take me longer to
learn the interface than the time the GPU would save me, unless the interface
worked almost exactly like Kdenlive.

On 9/1/2015 at 9:58 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 14:29:01 +0200, ttoine wrote:
>>Ralf, I truly believe that when it will be possible to use a Linux
>>distribution without the terminal at all, Linux will become 
>popular.
>
>At least for audio Linux can't compare to Mac or Windows.
>You need to use the terminal to get an audio tuned Linux and even 
>then
>you should be aware, that you never ever will reach the quality of 
>a Mac
>or Windows workstation.
>
>I'm a RME card user and the RME card driver for Linux is pure 
>crap! I
>installed Windows and FreeBSD to test my card, to ensure that the 
>card
>isn't broken.
>
>On my iPad I use a sequencer that in some important features is 
>better
>than Qtractor, Ardour and Co and other than the Linux applications 
>it's
>stable and this is just on a tablet PC.
>
>IOW if we decide to use Linux, the reason is of philosophically 
>nature.
>Linux for creative work, audio, video, painting and publishing 
>can't
>competed with proprietary, restricted operating systems and 
>software
>programmed with more manpower.
>
>Even if the software should be able to competed, were is the FLOSS
>hardware? Or were are at least good drivers for known hardware.
>
>The RME PCIe card I bought, recommended by the Linux audio
>community, does provide only 2 of 8 ADAT I/Os by jackd, let alone
>missing special features and even a complete and current version of
>total mix, aka hdspmixer is missing for Linux.
>
>Linux already was popular, many European offices switched to Linux 
>and
>for good reasons they switched back to Windows.
>
>Linux comes with pitfalls, faking Windows and Mac abilities isn't
>helpful, it's better to get users used to terminal usage, than
>providing crappy GUIs, that anyway can't replace the terminal.
>
>Regards,
>Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

[lukefromdc]

There is another advantage of going independent: you can decouple
your fate from that of the underlying distro. If something happens to
Canonical (or to Debian) there are more options that way. Same if
the underlying distro makes changes not compatable with your goals.

With Ubuntu now providing only 9 months support for non-LTS releases,
the advantage of Ubuntu over snapshots from Debian Unstable has been
reduced.  Mint went to using the LTS versions only as a base, but that
brings in new issues of old software or backporting to old libraries.

On a related note, due to the issue of Canonical owning the copyrights
to all the varients of the Ubuntu circle of friends logo, I created this
new startbutton for my MATE desktops based on changing the color
of the MATE logo to roughly the UbuntuStudio blue. Since I am making 
plans to release  (on archive.org) a set of packages including the themes 
and the hacked mate-gtk3 I use, I figured this was necessary. Debian
packages installable into Wily or Debian Unstable will join the patch
set used for the MATE source and links to the git source to apply them
against. Also my gtk-bugfix build of compiz that gives reliable 
compositing with gtk3.16 and later, again as a deb, links to the two
places the source comes from, and instructions for building your own.

Let me know if the icon-theme and gtk theme packages need to be 
renamed from ubuntustudio-legacy to something else. I'm sure I 
can come up with something if needed.

On 8/27/2015 at 8:26 AM, ttoine tto...@ttoine.net wrote:

Hey Guys,

I would like to share an idea I have for some time ago. Seing the 
success
of Elementary OS or Linux Mint, both based on Ubuntu, I really 
think that
we should create something like that.

The fact is that we are using a Ubuntu base name (Ubuntu Studio) 
and we
have a lot of constraints from Canonical. They are hosting the 
website, we
are not allowed to collect donations or make money on 
merchandising with
this name, etc. Elementary and Mint can !

So I am really thinking about creating something based on Ubuntu 
Studio,
but with another name. So we could have our own website, our own 
doc 
forum, and create a independant community of enthusiasts who 
produce audio,
video, grahpic, with free software...

Also, if what is done is great, it would allow to have 
partnerships with
editors like Harrison (Mixbus) or Redshark (Lightwork), or other 
vendors
providing their solution for Ubuntu Linux based distributions.

My aim is not really to create a business/company. But if we can 
collect
some money, we can then donate it to developers (Ardour, KXStudio, 
...), or
create bounties to fix bugs/issues. If a lot of money is coming, 
we could
also reward contributors with goodies, pay to go at Linux Audio 
conference,
have a booth at Namm or Musik Messe, etc.

I know that it may sound like a crazy challenge. What do you think 
of this
idea ? Does it inspire you ? Would you have ideas for another name 
?

Please let me know.

ttoine


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Wubi - nuke it from orbit

[lukefromdc]

The linked post or one of it's replies warns of bricking windows, if it is 
moved 
off the disk, the exe file executed from the windows drive, and installer mode
selected. I have no idea if that is true or not, but be sure to do any testing 
of this beyond the reboot greeter on an expendable install.

On 8/22/2015 at 10:09 AM, Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com wrote:

Didn't https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2015-
August/015757.html
just tell wubi has had only a simple please reboot functionality 
for
a long time, but causing confusion since it's still named wubi, and
all the documentation everywhere?

It's useful that there's a dialog popping up when a Windows user
inserts USB/DVD.

-Timo

2015-08-22 15:22 GMT+03:00 Kaj Ailomaa zeque...@mousike.me:
 I have only used wubi to install Ubuntu, and my experience with 
that is
 not exactly great. The virtual hard drive is really, really 
slow. I fear
 that even if Ubuntu Studio works with wubi, it will give the 
user a bad
 impression.

 So, there's that too.

 I could give it a try on a Win8 machine during the coming week, 
just to
 see how it works.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Wubi - nuke it from orbit

[lukefromdc]

Has anyone with a Windows box tested it lately?

On 8/21/2015 at 10:39 AM, Jimmy Sjölund ji...@sjolund.se wrote:

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Kaj Ailomaa 
zeque...@mousike.me wrote:

 Anyone feel any love for wubi at all?

 If not, I will make sure it is removed from Ubuntu Studio at 
least. I'm
 guessing it never worked for Ubuntu Studio anyway?

 I have never used it, but seen questions when people have issues 
with it.
Could be that it works for a lot of people as you never hear from 
them. But
love, no.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] continued as per request, from IRC

[lukefromdc]

All of the debates about Ubuntu and things like privacy only concern the Unity
DE and all that phone-centric stuff. UbuntuStudio, Xubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, 
Kubuntu at all should be considered exempt.  The only worry there is if they
will be around in the future if either Canonical runs into too much trouble or
future upstream Ubuntu diverges too much from the Debian base and GNU
base. If Debian packages could not be installed or if X and Wayland could
not be run there would be real issues. Even if Mir and X or Wayland could 
not cooexist in the same install there would be serious issues. Short of that,
I see no reason to steer people off any Ubuntu flavor.

If I need to install Linux for someone who needs updates for security, 
UbuntuStudio 
or Ubuntu Mate are much better suited than my Debian Unstable development 
system 
simply because I do not have to cherrypick security updates. Debian Stable gets 
too 
old too fast, so does Mint these days.

When my distributed Vivid snapshots get too old for use in the field, I will 
probably
have to port everything to a fresh US or Ubuntu MATE install for distrbution 
for this
very reason. Debian Unstable snapshots may work fine but must never be updated
by nonhackers and that can be dangerous. No way in hell I'm putting my sister 
on 
Debian Unstable for that exact reason. IfUbuntu ever dies this will be a hassle.

On 8/21/2015 at 9:38 PM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Len Ovens l...@ovenwerks.net 
wrote:

 On Thu, 20 Aug 2015, Mike Holstein wrote:

 15:48  zequence holstein: I really urge you to put your 
thoughts down
 and write
 an email instead
 15:48  holstein well, its fashionable to not like ubuntu..  
and, thats
 something larger than ubuntustudio.. but, when folks go to 
#ardour, for
   example, and the major piece of advice is 
whatever you
 do,
 dont use ubuntustudio, i would like to think about why


 That is not really true, don't use Ubuntu Yes I see that... 
and probably
 with good cause. It is possible to get good results with Unity, 
easy to get
 bad results. Certainly Studio sometimes just gets lumped in with 
Ubuntu.
 And when suggesting a distro made for Audio, generally kxstudio 
or avlinux
 are the two mentioned. However, I have heard UbuntuStudio 
recommended
 sometimes as well. (especially lately as kxstudio has had some 
issues
 related to KDE)


i dont share that viewpoint, personally, that folks shouldnt use
ubuntustudio. i feel like i had to make an effort, though, to sit 
in
#ardour, and address each comment that i saw, for a time, and ask 
that
folks try the more recent versions before making blanket 
statements..




 Studio has some good stuff:
 - xfce
 - a good set of applications
 - audio and RT allready works

 On the other side:
 - LTS releases with sometimes the buggiest release of 
some
 required audio utilities.
 - LTS releases mean that by the time the next one comes 
out
 the old one is hopelessly behind. Kubuntu may 
have
 the best way of dealing with this by trying to 
make
 each release LTS-able. Anything based on debian, 
tends
 to be release based.
 - It is not easy to update an LTS, the policys for 
adding a new
 version for anything besides bugs is not an easy 
road to
 take.

 It takes a lot of work to keep an LTS current and we just 
haven't been
 able to do that. Both kx and av add the latest versions to their 
repos
 within days (minutes sometimes)... they can do so because they 
own the
 repos and manage them.

 We could set up an upgrade repo ppa, but I do not know if that 
is what
 Ubuntu is all about. Ubuntu flavours are meant to use the Ubuntu 
repos.

 Directions we could go that remain Ubuntu-ish but still make a 
good distro
 for audio:

 remove module-udev-detect from pulseaudio and run jackd as the 
only back
 end. So jackdbus would start at session start and pulse would 
use either
 jack or dummy as it's only backends.

 Create a udev utility that replaces module-udev-detect for PA 
with
 something that adds a plugged in audio IF to jack on the fly. 
The user in
 -controls would be asked or allowed to determine if the new 
device became
 the jack maser device or if it was added via zita-a2j/j2a. If 
the (probably
 USB) new device was to be master, the internal would then get 
added via
 zita-a2j/j2a.

 These two things alone would make Studio unique in the Linux 
audio world
 and would solve more than 50% of support requests both in 
ubuntuStudio and
 in other places like #Ardour.

 Make performance mode default with the option when battery 
operation is
 detected to goto a slower speed or ondemand. (in general a slower
 _constant_ speed is better for low latency)

 Note on performance mode: I have found that performance mode 
runs cooler
 at high CPU use than ondemand. Ondemand is good 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Wubi - nuke it from orbit

[lukefromdc]

There's enough buggy UEFI setups out there that I advise people to never buy
new anymore without searching the exact model they plan to buy online along 
with the word Ubuntu and/or Linux to see what pops up. Long has this been
so for printers and wireless devices, not it's also true for laptops, premade 
desktops
and motherboards. You have to watch for things like the Lenovo firmware that
whitelists only RHEL and Windows (but any boot executable with that name will
work) or that Surface RT total locked paperweight crap.

If Wubi will run over Windows 8 or 10, that will do the job Crouton does for 
chromebook owners: a quick changeroot into a different OS, in fact easier 
than on Chromebooks. There are three ways to put Linux on those, two that
I know for sure to work: the Crouton changeroot into LInux from ChromeOS,
replacing ChromeOS and booting from developer mode every time, or 
replacing the firmware with upstream Coreboot, which all Chromebooks 
support/

On 8/21/2015 at 9:14 PM, Mike Holstein mikeh...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, August 20, 2015, C. F. Howlett 
cfhowl...@hotmail.com wrote:

 As I understand it, wubi has not been supported, developed or 
upgraded for
 YEARS.  Moreover, wubi is known to conflict with Ubuntu 13.XX 
and newer.
 So WHY is wubi not only present in the Ubuntu ecosystem, but 
actually
 packaged with Ubuntu .iso's?

 For the love of kittens, puppies and all that is good, please!  
Delete,
 remove, de-install and purge wubi from Ubuntu flavors!  Confused 
and
 frustrated users will thank you.

 C. F. Howlett



I haven't used it in years. But that used to work well, for me. 
Then it bit
me one time. Still, I could imagine, with recent UEFI 
implementations, This
might be an easy way for folks to get and installation up and 
working. Not
that we have to address facilitating a way around problematic 
hardware,
like that. I have not secured a Windows 10 installation, yet. I 
plan to,
and I could check will be, and see if it's working from there, if 
there's
interest in keeping it around. It's always available, even if we 
don't ship
it on the ISO.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] PS: Green hard disk drives

[lukefromdc]

The Green drives are considered to have buggy FIRMWARE, the 4 second
spindown interval being just too short and causing huge problems is desktop
use. The idle3-tools package contains a utility to allow resetting or 
disabling
this time

sudo apt-get install idle3-tools
 
will bring this into Ubuntu or Debian. You can then
disable the firmware timer and use HDparm to set up a more normal timeout.
I did this with three of these drives, two of them in a RAID0 with another 
drive.
Some months later, the 3ed drive died, just fell off the SATA bus and could not
be recognized again. That's probably unrelated, probably caused by another 
firmware bug in fact, but the utility does warn about possible issues.

When I ran that utlity, the start-stop cycles stopped climbing to the moon, 
prolonging
the lives of the other two drives,. which are still in use today. I would never 
buy another,
however. 

On 8/13/2015 at 8:48 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:24:19 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
Without reading very closely, do you know about this? I had this
problem with two of my older WD drives.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Format#Special_Consi
deration_for_WD_Green_HDDs

Yes, but the time when the drive goes to sleep for my drive by 
default
is set to 30 minutes. I want that my drive spins down and goes to 
sleep.

I'm aware about broken software that wakes up green drives, that's 
why
I don't use it, if the coders aren't interested in fixing their 
bugs.

Some software provides even mounting by mouse click without waking 
up
drives, so there's absolutely no valid reason, that any kind of
monitoring needs to wake up drives. Even not for those who don't 
want
to mount by CLI.

A lxpanel/libfm coder fixed the bug after I reported it.

Resume:

For my minimalist Wily server install there already is some of that
broken software installed, but I don't know what it is and I 
unlikely
installed or enabled it.

For my Arch Linux install I don't run into this issue and  don't 
use
any kind of workaround to manipulate my drive, while the culprit is
broken Linux software ;). I simply avoid usage of buggy software 
:).

[weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ cat 
/mnt/archlinux/etc/systemd/system/lcc_fix.service
cat: /mnt/archlinux/etc/systemd/system/lcc_fix.service: No such 
file or directory

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Where do we get information about Ubuntu's systemd?

[lukefromdc]

This same issue also exists between Ubuntu and Debian, causing unsolvable time 
differences
between the two on a dual booting machine. I didn't know that timedatectl was 
simply being
ignored in Ubuntu! 

What I would want would be a hardware clock that the OS can't change, set to 
local time in 
all cases. I never use network time updating due to the issue of having a 
requirement for machines
that do not reveal their IP address to anything I do not deliberately connect 
to.  Unfortunately 
Tor requires knowing the time zone to work so as to avoid time based attacks. 
Thankfully it does 
NOT require network time!

On 7/28/2015 at 7:03 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:

Hi,

for at least 2½ years, perhaps for longer, I'm using a clean 
systemd
Arch Linux install. Now I'm using Ubuntu's hybrid init 
script/systemd
for the very first time. I run into issues.

The first issue already is solved, I needed to disable an init 
script,
before I could use my own systemd service.

Now I wonder why timedatectl does show the same settings for my 
Arch
Linux and my Ubuntu, but after running Ubuntu and rebooting to Arch
Linux, the hwclock goes wrong. This doesn't happen when rebooting 
from
other installs, e.g. from an Ubuntu using Upstart.

I also wonder why the minimal server install already loads modules 
and
enables services without user interaction.

I've got two requests.

1. How can I chose between local TZ and UTC for the RTC, when
timedatectl is ignored?

2. Is there a documentation about Ubuntu's systemd?
I'm running the Ubuntu Wily Werewolf (development branch), but 
since
Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) already dropped upstart, there might 
be a
documentation available.

It's freakish to search for an init script, that needs to be 
disabled,
before I can use a systemd service.
 
root@moonstudio:~# ls -hAl /etc/rcS.d/S09networking 
/etc/init.d/networking 
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.7K Jun  2 09:32 /etc/init.d/networking
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   20 Jul 25 22:50 /etc/rcS.d/S09networking -
 ../init.d/networking
root@moonstudio:~# update-rc.d networking disable
insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script 
`networking' overrides LSB defaults (S).
insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 6 S) of script 
`networking' overrides LSB defaults (0 6).
insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script 
`networking' overrides LSB defaults (S).
insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 6 S) of script 
`networking' overrides LSB defaults (0 6).
root@moonstudio:~# ls -hAl /etc/rcS.d/S09networking 
/etc/init.d/networking 
ls: cannot access /etc/rcS.d/S09networking: No such file or 
directory
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.7K Jun  2 09:32 /etc/init.d/networking
root@moonstudio:~# systemctl enable alice.service 
Created symlink from /etc/systemd/system/multi-
user.target.wants/alice.service to 
/lib/systemd/system/alice.service.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] How wide spread is Linux spyware?

[lukefromdc]

I've played with other browsers (rekonq in particular) but never found a way to 
keep 
them from coming up unique in Panopticlick. Thus they are too easily tracked 
and can
only be used with websites known not to contain any ads, trackers, or 3ed party 
analytic
tools.

One of the problems is that the security plugin infrastructure that has grown up
around Firefox is difficult to duplicate on another browser. I use NoScript, 
Ghostery,
and Canvasblocker plus a long list of blocked servers in /etc/hosts. These 
plugins are
almost mandatory to stop cookieless tracking, browser fingerprinting, 
supercookies,
etc.  We are engaged in an arms race with the black hats that devise new ways 
to tracking
people for the likes of Google, Facebook, and all those sleazy ad networks. 

The sypware you have to find and disable in Firefox is bad enough that ideally 
it would
be forked and stripped down. On the other hand, the Internet as a whole has 
become 
extremely malicious. ANY website that is monetized in any way should be 
regarded as
an attack vector.  Some (Google and Facebook especially) are among the most 
malicious
sites on the entire web when it comes to privacy.  On the other hand, any 
website that might 
be unpopular with a government agency is  subject to spoofing attacks, man in 
the middle
attacks, and even  the potential for redirection to malicious copies of the 
server in a governmental
version of phishing. Think Google's safebrowsing database will call out a DHS 
 phish site?

Imagine living in a city where the grocer will attempt to pick your pocket, the 
banker
will try to find your home so he can clean out your safe, half of all ATM's are 
fakes 
set up by criminals to harvest deposits, and the police are terrorists 
protecting a 
dictatorship.  The entire Internet is just such a city. 

When it really counts, I bring out the big guns by firing up Torbrowser.  

On 7/17/2015 at 1:46 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 23:33:19 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
Given the way Firefox is going, I recommend and practice periodic
cleaning of URL's from about:config.

That's my recommendation too, but I dislike to do it again and 
again. I
try to find a less bloated browser, that fit too my needs, IOW
that's less bloated but provides more comfort than e.g. xombrero.

I don't remember if I mentioned it already in this thread, on my 
machine
I need around 1½ hours to compile a kernel with a default
Arch/Debian/Ubuntu configuration and around 3½ hours to compile 
Firefox.

There are a few interesting notes about e.g. Firefox's policy in 
the
current flash discussion on Arch general mailing list. And on the
Kubuntu user mailing list there's also is a Flash discussion that 
became
a browser security discussion, but it's not interesting for more
experienced users.

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