Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Len Ovens]

On Tue, 3 Apr 2018, Ralf Mardorf wrote:


If a user gets the setup right in the first place, there seldom is the
need for cheap workarounds such as a bridge to pulseaudio.


Which one is the "cheap workaround" is a matter of opinion.


Note, it doesn't matter what distro I prefer to use myself, since I
report issues to upstream (real upstream of software, not Ubuntu's
upstream called Debian) and I help users using Ubuntu flavours. I don't
see posts from  Erich Eickmeyer on Ubuntu flavour user mailing lists
helping users.


This comment is out of place. Please keep your putdowns to yourself.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Ralf Mardorf]

Pulseaudio often isn't needed at all and furthermore it has got
counter-productive effects for most professional audio work. For
workarounds there is software such as apulse, see
https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse , let alone that some apps such as
Firefox support alsa, as well as jack, just build Firefox with
"ac_add_options --enable-alsa" and/or "ac_add_options --enable-jack".

If a user gets the setup right in the first place, there seldom is the
need for cheap workarounds such as a bridge to pulseaudio.

Note, it doesn't matter what distro I prefer to use myself, since I
report issues to upstream (real upstream of software, not Ubuntu's
upstream called Debian) and I help users using Ubuntu flavours. I don't
see posts from  Erich Eickmeyer on Ubuntu flavour user mailing lists
helping users.

Get in contact with thousands of users before making changes based on
articles you once read.

Choice is good, as long as the choice is well maintained. If you add
new packages without granting maintenance for those packages across
releases of Ubuntu (Studio), you harm users.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[lukefromdc]

I've always used qjackctl if I needed to set up something non-default in jack,
had little trouble with it. Even used it on a netbook for a while to set up 
sound
to deal with mono files (not supported in harware on that machine) by running
jack, which was much lighter on that machine running directly on ALSA than 
pulseaudio of that era was, as well as easy to turn on and off.

On 4/2/2018 at 3:11 PM, "Erich Eickmeyer"  wrote:
>
>Hi Thomas,
>
>> On Apr 2, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Thomas Pfundt t...@protonmail.ch> wrote:
>> 
>> On April 2, 2018 4:33 PM, Erich Eickmeyer 
> wrote:
>>> FalkTX has just released Cadence v0.9.0, having finished 
>porting it to Qt5.
>>> This would definitely be another reason we should consider 
>moving from
>>> QJackCtl to Cadence, along with the extra tools Cadence 
>includes.
>> 
>> Without using as much of a harsh tone as Ralf, I'd also not 
>really be in favour of that, personally. I've used Cadence as well 
>for its one-click-connection functionaliy when I first started 
>using Ubuntu Studio, but have retired it shortly after, because I 
>felt that the configuration and setup options wouldn't allow me to 
>adjust it the way I needed to. This may have changed now, I 
>haven't used it in quite a long time.
>
>I appreciate this. I’m much more open to reasonable discourse as 
>opposed to hurling insults. And, yes, Cadence is just as 
>configurable ad QJackCtl these days.
>
>> However, I don't really see that there's any particular 
>advantage in basic functionality over QJackCtl. You can basically 
>just pactl load-module module-jack-source / module-jack-sink for 
>Pulseaudio connections and add any other external audio devices 
>with alsa_in / alsa_out -d hw:X, as needed. I'd even say that the 
>QJackCtl Patchbay thingy to connect everything is extremely 
>persistent and just runs automatically once a specific setup is 
>saved and and activated. No need for tons of programs for a basic 
>setup, maybe there's just a lack of guidance in documentation 
>regarding different setups? But Cadence may do that as well now 
>and I just haven't seen it, yet.
>
>The advantage is that Cadence does the “pactl load-module…” 
>command for you, which would be much more appealing to newcomers, 
>especially those converting from Mac or Windows. And yes, the 
>QJackCtl is very persistent, and has that advantage over Cadence. 
>However, FalkTX is making strides with the Claudia module for full 
>session management, which definitely keeps connections persistent 
>and launches the apps for you. It does need some work, IMO, since 
>it relies heavily on LADISH and, in my experience, LADISH doesn’t 
>handle multiple Jack processes from the same app very well if at 
>all when it comes to using the graphical patchbay.
>
>My workflow involves launching Cadence to launch Jack and the 
>PulseAudio bridge, which then allows me to run Spotify through 
>PulseAudio patched to outputs 1 & 2 in my 32-channel audio 
>interface, then run Ardour to handle everything else via templates 
>I’ve made. But, that’s how I do things, your mileage may vary. :)
>
>> After all, can't hurt to offer it as well for those that would 
>like to use it. I guess I'd even take another look at it, if I 
>would't have to add the full Kxstudio repositories, first. But 
>then again, there's the issue of getting it into the official 
>repository to begin with.
>
>My goal is to at least get it included in the repos. It’s pretty 
>obvious that it won’t happen for the 18.04 cycle, but I don’t see 
>any reason why it can’t be done for 18.10. That said, I am also 
>very open to keeping QJackCtl. My vision involves making things 
>(to quote the KDE team) “Simple by default, powerful when needed.”
>
>That said, reading your thoughts was a breath of fresh air. I love 
>reading stuff like this and keeping open discussion.
>
>Thanks,
>Erich


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Thomas,

> On Apr 2, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Thomas Pfundt  wrote:
> 
> On April 2, 2018 4:33 PM, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:
>> FalkTX has just released Cadence v0.9.0, having finished porting it to Qt5.
>> This would definitely be another reason we should consider moving from
>> QJackCtl to Cadence, along with the extra tools Cadence includes.
> 
> Without using as much of a harsh tone as Ralf, I'd also not really be in 
> favour of that, personally. I've used Cadence as well for its 
> one-click-connection functionaliy when I first started using Ubuntu Studio, 
> but have retired it shortly after, because I felt that the configuration and 
> setup options wouldn't allow me to adjust it the way I needed to. This may 
> have changed now, I haven't used it in quite a long time.

I appreciate this. I’m much more open to reasonable discourse as opposed to 
hurling insults. And, yes, Cadence is just as configurable ad QJackCtl these 
days.

> However, I don't really see that there's any particular advantage in basic 
> functionality over QJackCtl. You can basically just pactl load-module 
> module-jack-source / module-jack-sink for Pulseaudio connections and add any 
> other external audio devices with alsa_in / alsa_out -d hw:X, as needed. I'd 
> even say that the QJackCtl Patchbay thingy to connect everything is extremely 
> persistent and just runs automatically once a specific setup is saved and and 
> activated. No need for tons of programs for a basic setup, maybe there's just 
> a lack of guidance in documentation regarding different setups? But Cadence 
> may do that as well now and I just haven't seen it, yet.

The advantage is that Cadence does the “pactl load-module…” command for you, 
which would be much more appealing to newcomers, especially those converting 
from Mac or Windows. And yes, the QJackCtl is very persistent, and has that 
advantage over Cadence. However, FalkTX is making strides with the Claudia 
module for full session management, which definitely keeps connections 
persistent and launches the apps for you. It does need some work, IMO, since it 
relies heavily on LADISH and, in my experience, LADISH doesn’t handle multiple 
Jack processes from the same app very well if at all when it comes to using the 
graphical patchbay.

My workflow involves launching Cadence to launch Jack and the PulseAudio 
bridge, which then allows me to run Spotify through PulseAudio patched to 
outputs 1 & 2 in my 32-channel audio interface, then run Ardour to handle 
everything else via templates I’ve made. But, that’s how I do things, your 
mileage may vary. :)

> After all, can't hurt to offer it as well for those that would like to use 
> it. I guess I'd even take another look at it, if I would't have to add the 
> full Kxstudio repositories, first. But then again, there's the issue of 
> getting it into the official repository to begin with.

My goal is to at least get it included in the repos. It’s pretty obvious that 
it won’t happen for the 18.04 cycle, but I don’t see any reason why it can’t be 
done for 18.10. That said, I am also very open to keeping QJackCtl. My vision 
involves making things (to quote the KDE team) “Simple by default, powerful 
when needed.”

That said, reading your thoughts was a breath of fresh air. I love reading 
stuff like this and keeping open discussion.

Thanks,
Erich


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Thomas Pfundt]

On April 2, 2018 4:33 PM, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote: 
> FalkTX has just released Cadence v0.9.0, having finished porting it to Qt5. 
> This would definitely be another reason we should consider moving from 
> QJackCtl to Cadence, along with the extra tools Cadence includes. 
 
Without using as much of a harsh tone as Ralf, I'd also not really be in favour 
of that, personally. I've used Cadence as well for its one-click-connection 
functionaliy when I first started using Ubuntu Studio, but have retired it 
shortly after, because I felt that the configuration and setup options wouldn't 
allow me to adjust it the way I needed to. This may have changed now, I haven't 
used it in quite a long time. 
 
However, I don't really see that there's any particular advantage in basic 
functionality over QJackCtl. You can basically just pactl load-module 
module-jack-source / module-jack-sink for Pulseaudio connections and add any 
other external audio devices with alsa_in / alsa_out -d hw:X, as needed. I'd 
even say that the QJackCtl Patchbay thingy to connect everything is extremely 
persistent and just runs automatically once a specific setup is saved and and 
activated. No need for tons of programs for a basic setup, maybe there's just a 
lack of guidance in documentation regarding different setups? But Cadence may 
do that as well now and I just haven't seen it, yet. 
 
After all, can't hurt to offer it as well for those that would like to use it. 
I guess I'd even take another look at it, if I would't have to add the full 
Kxstudio repositories, first. But then again, there's the issue of getting it 
into the official repository to begin with.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Erich Eickmeyer]

> On Apr 2, 2018, at 8:32 AM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> 
> Here we go:
> 
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/

All this does is point to the ISO repos. This adds nothing to your argument.

> Upgrading from one to another release, should still allow you to
> continue using Ubuntu Studio without major inconveniences. If newcomers
> would be allowed to overturn basal preconditions, completely ignoring
> backwards compatibility with old stored sessions, than there's no
> future at all for Ubuntu Studio. An idea based upon euphoria, without
> any background at all, is the most worse you could contribute.

Upgrading from one release to another wouldn’t uninstall anything already 
installed, so this is moot. Also, there is nothing saying it was going to 
change, so just calm down and don’t worry about it that much. It was merely a 
suggestion and idea, not an overturn of established

> Note, I'm an Arch user, but I help less experienced Linux users a lot.
> Arch is not a user friendly distro, while Ubuntu flavours are more or
> less user-friendly. Both approaches have got pros and cons. While I use
> Arch Linux much more than Ubuntu flavours, I'm much more involved in
> helping Linux novices by contributing to Ubuntu flavour mailing lists.

My opinion: Unless you’re willing to “eat your own dogfood” (i.e. use the 
product you’re contributing to) then you’re just providing noise. That’s just 
my opinion. You’ve been very vocal on here and almost acting dictatorial. I’m 
offering suggestions, you’re offering mandates and dismissing suggestions. I’m 
sure your opinion is valued, but it would hold more weight if you used the 
product you’re trying to direct.

> Reconsider your point of view. Progress is very important, but the
> progress must come with a balance to backwards compatibility. If not,
> there's no flow at all, it just would be an endless restart from ground
> zero.

Again, it’s my opinion, and merely my opinion. My views (alone) do not dictate 
the direction of Ubuntu Studio. Also, as I said before, my suggestion included 
keeping QJackCtl in the repos, although keeping it installed by default but 
adding Cadence isn’t a bad idea either.

Your opinion has been noted and will be considered in the decision. No need to 
further argue or belabor the issue.


Erich




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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Ralf Mardorf]

Here we go:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/

Upgrading from one to another release, should still allow you to
continue using Ubuntu Studio without major inconveniences. If newcomers
would be allowed to overturn basal preconditions, completely ignoring
backwards compatibility with old stored sessions, than there's no
future at all for Ubuntu Studio. An idea based upon euphoria, without
any background at all, is the most worse you could contribute.

Note, I'm an Arch user, but I help less experienced Linux users a lot.
Arch is not a user friendly distro, while Ubuntu flavours are more or
less user-friendly. Both approaches have got pros and cons. While I use
Arch Linux much more than Ubuntu flavours, I'm much more involved in
helping Linux novices by contributing to Ubuntu flavour mailing lists.

Reconsider your point of view. Progress is very important, but the
progress must come with a balance to backwards compatibility. If not,
there's no flow at all, it just would be an endless restart from ground
zero.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Erich Eickmeyer]

> On Apr 2, 2018, at 7:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 07:33:05 -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>> moving from QJackCtl to Cadence
> 
> Dropping QjackCtl in favour of Cadence? If so, that's utter nonsense!

There’s no need to be rude, it was just an idea. All ideas are welcome here.

> You could provide Cadence, but you cannot move/migrate from QjackCtl to
> Cadence, since this would break the workflow for a majority of Ubuntu
> Studio audio users.

The idea only came from an article I read that I am unable to locate right now 
mentioning that the Jack developers recommend using Cadence anymore as QJackCtl 
is outdated, per the article. I, for one, don’t use QJackCtl in favor of 
Cadence in my workflow, so I’d love to see some data behind this “majority”.

> Btw. we already could use apps such as Qtractor or Ardour without a
> helper such as QjackCtl and without the need to use command line.
> However, QjackCtl with all its pros and cons, at least for backwards
> compatibility, is much more important than any replacement.

That’s fine, so there’s no reason why not to include both except for software 
bloat reasons. I just think that Cadence would lower the barrier for entry for 
a lot of users, but allow QJackCtl to be available for backwards compatibility.

Either way, the “utter nonsense” tone is a little offensive and, quite frankly, 
unwelcome.


Erich



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 07:33:05 -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>moving from QJackCtl to Cadence

Dropping QjackCtl in favour of Cadence? If so, that's utter nonsense!
You could provide Cadence, but you cannot move/migrate from QjackCtl to
Cadence, since this would break the workflow for a majority of Ubuntu
Studio audio users.

Btw. we already could use apps such as Qtractor or Ardour without a
helper such as QjackCtl and without the need to use command line.
However, QjackCtl with all its pros and cons, at least for backwards
compatibility, is much more important than any replacement.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Erich Eickmeyer]

> On Mar 31, 2018, at 4:56 AM, eylul  wrote:
> 
> I believe this was in our todo list. :) Some of the changes FalkTX is making 
> might actually make it easier for these to be included in the debian repos. 
> Another option is to see if we can get it into ubuntu repos.
> Best
> 
> Eylul
> 
> On 03/30/2018 08:06 PM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Set Hallström >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> On March 30, 2018 4:12:34 PM GMT+02:00, Set Sakrecoer >> > wrote:
 On March 30, 2018 12:17:51 PM GMT+02:00, Lord Jonathan Moore
 > wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was looking at the replace-qjackctl-a blueprint and think Candace
> would
> be better it is faster to use than patchage. And looks more organized
> with
> a ladish session. I would like an opinion on ladish vs jack,
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> jdm7dv
 
 Hi Jonathan!
 
 Thanks for reaching out and taking the time to inveatigate the
 question!
 
 I kindof lost touch with music production at the same time i lost touch
 with ubuntu studio. I'm hoping to get chance to test Cadence. I think i
 remember hearing ladish development was sort of abandoned, but i might
 be very wrong...
 
 The rule of thumb is: if it fits in debian, it fits in UbuStu. This is
 because we pull packages from debian. I hope someone else can fill the
 many blanks.
 
 TL;DR i am not against it, but i'm not really fit for judging and i
 hope more ppl will get involved in giving you feedback.
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>>> 
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>>> to sign the previous email properly. public@sak***oer.com  
>>> is my alternative mailing list email address...
>>> 
>>> Yours,
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>> 
>> Jonathan,
>> 
>> This is a great idea as the Jack developers are recommending Cadence over 
>> qjackctl anymore, and patchage seems to be unmaintained. Besides, Cadence 
>> seems to work with the PulseAudio-Jack bridge better than anything I’ve seen.
>> 
>> FalkTX (the developer of KXStudio and Cadence) has Cadence in his KXStudio 
>> repos/PPA, which work directly with Debian iirc. Based on this, I’m fairly 
>> certain it can be run upstream to Debian and be made a part of the Ubuntu 
>> repos. I’ve been considering reaching-out to FalkTX to see if he would be 
>> willing to push Cadence upstream. Either way, I’m sure it can be done. Even 
>> Arch has it in their community repo.
>> 
>> As for getting it into 18.04, it’s probably too late at this time, but 
>> perhaps that’s something we work on for the next release cycle.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Erich
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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FalkTX has just released Cadence v0.9.0, having finished porting it to Qt5. 
This would definitely be another reason we should consider moving from QJackCtl 
to Cadence, along with the extra tools Cadence includes.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[eylul]

I believe this was in our todo list. :) Some of the changes FalkTX is
making might actually make it easier for these to be included in the
debian repos. Another option is to see if we can get it into ubuntu repos.

Best

Eylul


On 03/30/2018 08:06 PM, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
>
>
>> On Mar 30, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Set Hallström > > wrote:
>>
>> On March 30, 2018 4:12:34 PM GMT+02:00, Set Sakrecoer
>> > wrote:
>>> On March 30, 2018 12:17:51 PM GMT+02:00, Lord Jonathan Moore
>>> > wrote:
 Hi,

 I was looking at the replace-qjackctl-a blueprint and think Candace
 would
 be better it is faster to use than patchage. And looks more organized
 with
 a ladish session. I would like an opinion on ladish vs jack,


 Thanks,


 jdm7dv
>>>
>>> Hi Jonathan!
>>>
>>> Thanks for reaching out and taking the time to inveatigate the
>>> question!
>>>
>>> I kindof lost touch with music production at the same time i lost touch
>>> with ubuntu studio. I'm hoping to get chance to test Cadence. I think i
>>> remember hearing ladish development was sort of abandoned, but i might
>>> be very wrong...
>>>
>>> The rule of thumb is: if it fits in debian, it fits in UbuStu. This is
>>> because we pull packages from debian. I hope someone else can fill the
>>> many blanks.
>>>
>>> TL;DR i am not against it, but i'm not really fit for judging and i
>>> hope more ppl will get involved in giving you feedback.
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>>>
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>> forgot to sign the previous email properly. public@sak***oer.com
>>  is my alternative mailing list email address...
>>
>> Yours,
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> Jonathan,
>
> This is a great idea as the Jack developers are recommending Cadence
> over qjackctl anymore, and patchage seems to be unmaintained. Besides,
> Cadence seems to work with the PulseAudio-Jack bridge better than
> anything I’ve seen.
>
> FalkTX (the developer of KXStudio and Cadence) has Cadence in his
> KXStudio repos/PPA, which work directly with Debian iirc. Based on
> this, I’m fairly certain it can be run upstream to Debian and be made
> a part of the Ubuntu repos. I’ve been considering reaching-out to
> FalkTX to see if he would be willing to push Cadence upstream. Either
> way, I’m sure it can be done. Even Arch has it in their community repo.
>
> As for getting it into 18.04, it’s probably too late at this time, but
> perhaps that’s something we work on for the next release cycle.
>
> Thanks,
> Erich
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Erich Eickmeyer]

> On Mar 30, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Set Hallström  wrote:
> 
> On March 30, 2018 4:12:34 PM GMT+02:00, Set Sakrecoer  
> wrote:
>> On March 30, 2018 12:17:51 PM GMT+02:00, Lord Jonathan Moore
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I was looking at the replace-qjackctl-a blueprint and think Candace
>>> would
>>> be better it is faster to use than patchage. And looks more organized
>>> with
>>> a ladish session. I would like an opinion on ladish vs jack,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> jdm7dv
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan!
>> 
>> Thanks for reaching out and taking the time to inveatigate the
>> question!
>> 
>> I kindof lost touch with music production at the same time i lost touch
>> with ubuntu studio. I'm hoping to get chance to test Cadence. I think i
>> remember hearing ladish development was sort of abandoned, but i might
>> be very wrong...
>> 
>> The rule of thumb is: if it fits in debian, it fits in UbuStu. This is
>> because we pull packages from debian. I hope someone else can fill the
>> many blanks.
>> 
>> TL;DR i am not against it, but i'm not really fit for judging and i
>> hope more ppl will get involved in giving you feedback.
>> --
>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>> 
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Jonathan,

This is a great idea as the Jack developers are recommending Cadence over 
qjackctl anymore, and patchage seems to be unmaintained. Besides, Cadence seems 
to work with the PulseAudio-Jack bridge better than anything I’ve seen.

FalkTX (the developer of KXStudio and Cadence) has Cadence in his KXStudio 
repos/PPA, which work directly with Debian iirc. Based on this, I’m fairly 
certain it can be run upstream to Debian and be made a part of the Ubuntu 
repos. I’ve been considering reaching-out to FalkTX to see if he would be 
willing to push Cadence upstream. Either way, I’m sure it can be done. Even 
Arch has it in their community repo.

As for getting it into 18.04, it’s probably too late at this time, but perhaps 
that’s something we work on for the next release cycle.

Thanks,
Erich





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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Set Hallström]

On March 30, 2018 4:12:34 PM GMT+02:00, Set Sakrecoer  
wrote:
>On March 30, 2018 12:17:51 PM GMT+02:00, Lord Jonathan Moore
> wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I was looking at the replace-qjackctl-a blueprint and think Candace
>>would
>>be better it is faster to use than patchage. And looks more organized
>>with
>>a ladish session. I would like an opinion on ladish vs jack,
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>jdm7dv
>
>Hi Jonathan!
>
>Thanks for reaching out and taking the time to inveatigate the
>question! 
>
>I kindof lost touch with music production at the same time i lost touch
>with ubuntu studio. I'm hoping to get chance to test Cadence. I think i
>remember hearing ladish development was sort of abandoned, but i might
>be very wrong...
>
>The rule of thumb is: if it fits in debian, it fits in UbuStu. This is
>because we pull packages from debian. I hope someone else can fill the
>many blanks. 
>
>TL;DR i am not against it, but i'm not really fit for judging and i
>hope more ppl will get involved in giving you feedback.
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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Candace

[Lord Jonathan Moore]

Hi,

I was looking at the replace-qjackctl-a blueprint and think Candace would
be better it is faster to use than patchage. And looks more organized with
a ladish session. I would like an opinion on ladish vs jack,


Thanks,


jdm7dv
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