Re: Where do we translate indicator-datetime (and family) on Launchpad?

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2018-04-04 13:42, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:

We should indeed help the translators to keep focus on the most
important templates. The Unity templates, which just have been
reactivated, have far too high priority, and are shown among the
first templates on respective language's overview. The priority for
those templates should be lowered.


Just did that.

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Re: Where do we translate indicator-datetime (and family) on Launchpad?

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Hi Gabor,

Thanks for joining the thread!

On 2018-04-04 11:44, Gabor Kelemen wrote:

This was my doing, in recent weeks I dropped the templates from
Bionic that are no longer in main - either because they  were removed
entirely, or just moved to universe.
I did not check " X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes " in their control files
(somehow I can't find their packaging branches anymore, like a few
years back), so they may still export their templates.


Dropping templates without checking "X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes" was a 
mistake which caused some confusion and extra work the past few days wrt 
Unity.


There seems to have been an early decision to keep using the language 
packs for Unity packages, and "X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes" was added in 
the artful cycle to most indicator-* packages and some unity-* packages. 
The meaning of that string, besides the fact that it triggers template 
creation at build time, is that the .mo files are stripped and thus not 
shipped with respective package. Consequently, if this hadn't been 
brought to our attention in time (thanks Simos!), the 18.04 release 
would have included Unity with a lot of essential translations absent.


Please note that even if Unity is no longer in main, it was said early 
that it should be possible for those who upgrade to 18.04 from 16.04 to 
keep using Unity, and there is still a unity-session package for the 
purpose. Besides, there is a community effort to keep Unity alive going 
forward, and the meta package ubuntu-unity-desktop is present in bionic.


Sebastien and I have now reactivated the Unity templates with highest 
priority code.



In total, we are down by more than a hundred templates, many of them
part of the Unity environment.


To be honest, this sounds scary. An example: A few weeks ago we decided 
to keep using the language packs for fcitx and "X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: 
yes" was added, but I just saw that the template was gone. (Have now 
reactivated it.)


Please understand that there are packages not in main for which we 
intentionally use the language packs for various reasons. I can't tell 
exactly which or how many; Sebastien knows a lot more about it than I do.


Gabor, do you possibly have a list with the templates you deactivated?

This should help us focus on the still supported components, at least
I hoped so.


We should indeed help the translators to keep focus on the most 
important templates. The Unity templates, which just have been 
reactivated, have far too high priority, and are shown among the first 
templates on respective language's overview. The priority for those 
templates should be lowered.



Sorry for the confusion - if there is anything I can do to help,
please let me know.


The list.. to start with.

Rgds,

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Re: Where do we translate indicator-datetime (and family) on Launchpad?

[Gabor Kelemen]

Hi all

This was my doing, in recent weeks I dropped the templates from Bionic that
are no longer in main - either because they  were removed entirely, or just
moved to universe.
I did not check " X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes " in their control files
(somehow I can't find their packaging branches anymore, like a few years
back), so they may still export their templates.
In total, we are down by more than a hundred templates, many of them part
of the Unity environment.
This should help us focus on the still supported components, at least I
hoped so.

Sorry for the confusion - if there is anything I can do to help, please let
me know.

Regards
Gabor Kelemen


2018-03-28 22:28 GMT+02:00 Simos Xenitellis :

> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to fix a couple of issues in the translation of
> indicator-datetime
> (file: /usr/share/locale-langpack/el/LC_MESSAGES/indicator-datetime.mo).
> In 18.04 there are many indicator files (indicator-appmenu,
> indicator-bluetooth, indicator-session, etc), ten in total.
>
> They do not appear to exist on Launchpad, and those that can be found
> there are older versions with not translation templates for Bionic.
>
> Where can I find indicator-datetime on Launchpad with translation template?
>
> Shouldn't they be in
> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+lang/el/+index?batch=150
> ?
>
> Simos
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Re: Where do we translate indicator-datetime (and family) on Launchpad?

[Simos Xenitellis]

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 8:52 PM, Gunnar Hjalmarsson  wrote:
> Hi again, Simos!
>
> On 2018-04-01 00:41, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
>>
>> On 2018-03-29 13:30, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
>>>
>>> My goal is to do a quality review of the Greek localization as
>>> provided in the stock Ubuntu 18.04 (i.e. GNOME Shell). I am at the
>>> stage of doing 'msgunfmt' on the installed .mo files in order to
>>> figure out typos and such.
>>
>>
>> You shouldn't really need to do that.
>>
>>> What I understand, is that the various
>>> /usr/share/locale-langpack/LL/LC_MESSAGES/*-indicator.mo files are
>>> provided by the langpack,
>>
>>
>> They are provided by the langpacks at the moment, but if steps are not
>> taken to prevent it, they will disappear before the release of 18.04 (when a
>> full langpack update is accomplished).
>>
>> I have posted this to the community hub:
>>
>> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/translation-of-unity-packages/4919
>>
>> I'd advise you to await the result of that before dealing with
>> translations of indicator-* and other Unity packages.
>
>
> There is also . Some work remains to be
> done, but if you want to fix some Greek indicator-datetime translations, you
> can now do so from the LP interface as usual:
>
> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/indicator-datetime/+pots/indicator-datetime/el
>

Thanks Gunnar!

Simos

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Re: Where do we translate indicator-datetime (and family) on Launchpad?

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Hi again, Simos!

On 2018-04-01 00:41, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:

On 2018-03-29 13:30, Simos Xenitellis wrote:

My goal is to do a quality review of the Greek localization as
provided in the stock Ubuntu 18.04 (i.e. GNOME Shell). I am at the
stage of doing 'msgunfmt' on the installed .mo files in order to
figure out typos and such.


You shouldn't really need to do that.


What I understand, is that the various
/usr/share/locale-langpack/LL/LC_MESSAGES/*-indicator.mo files are
provided by the langpack,


They are provided by the langpacks at the moment, but if steps are not 
taken to prevent it, they will disappear before the release of 18.04 
(when a full langpack update is accomplished).


I have posted this to the community hub:

https://community.ubuntu.com/t/translation-of-unity-packages/4919

I'd advise you to await the result of that before dealing with 
translations of indicator-* and other Unity packages.


There is also . Some work remains to 
be done, but if you want to fix some Greek indicator-datetime 
translations, you can now do so from the LP interface as usual:


https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/indicator-datetime/+pots/indicator-datetime/el

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Re: Where do we translate indicator-datetime (and family) on Launchpad?

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

On 2018-03-29 13:30, Simos Xenitellis wrote:

My goal is to do a quality review of the Greek localization as
provided in the stock Ubuntu 18.04 (i.e. GNOME Shell). I am at the
stage of doing 'msgunfmt' on the installed .mo files in order to
figure out typos and such.


You shouldn't really need to do that.


What I understand, is that the various
/usr/share/locale-langpack/LL/LC_MESSAGES/*-indicator.mo files are
provided by the langpack,


They are provided by the langpacks at the moment, but if steps are not 
taken to prevent it, they will disappear before the release of 18.04 
(when a full langpack update is accomplished).


I have posted this to the community hub:

https://community.ubuntu.com/t/translation-of-unity-packages/4919

I'd advise you to await the result of that before dealing with 
translations of indicator-* and other Unity packages.


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Re: Where do we translate indicator-datetime (and family) on Launchpad?

[Simos Xenitellis]

Thanks Gunnar and Sebastien for your replies.

My goal is to do a quality review of the Greek localization as
provided in the stock Ubuntu 18.04 (i.e. GNOME Shell).
I am at the stage of doing 'msgunfmt' on the installed .mo files in
order to figure out typos and such.

What I understand, is that the various
/usr/share/locale-langpack/LL/LC_MESSAGES/*-indicator.mo files
are provided by the langpack, but their executable files are not
installed/required in GNOME Shell (in 18.04).

I am happy to do a translation update specifically for
datetime-indicator for Unity7 in 18.04 relating to the recent changes
in the datetime formats in glibc.

@Khurshid, please tell me what is more convenient to you to make these
translation changes for Greek.

Simos

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Sebastien Bacher  wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> Le 29/03/2018 à 01:56, Gunnar Hjalmarsson a écrit :
>
>
> Since those packages are no longer part of standard Ubuntu, they have been
> moved from main to universe, and the translation templates have been dropped
> from Launchpad (as you have already noticed). If I understand it correctly,
> it means that the .mo files will be built from the .po files present in the
> source of respective package and end up in
> /usr/share/locale//LC_MESSAGES next time respective package is
> uploaded.
>
> Since those projects have been Ubuntu focussed and translators on launchpad
> are usually working on Ubuntu translations and since we have the
> translations in good shape for the indicators I think it would make sense to
> keep using langpacks.
>
> That means adding "X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes" to their debian/control and
> doing an upload.
>
> The other way would be to export/download the translations for each
> indicators, copy them/commit to the source and do an upload. But then you
> need to keep doing that or you need to communicate to translators that they
> need to submit their fixes to those projects.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Sebastien Bacher

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Re: Where do we translate indicator-datetime (and family) on Launchpad?

[Sebastien Bacher]

Hey there,

Le 29/03/2018 à 01:56, Gunnar Hjalmarsson a écrit :
>
> Since those packages are no longer part of standard Ubuntu, they have
> been moved from main to universe, and the translation templates have
> been dropped from Launchpad (as you have already noticed). If I
> understand it correctly, it means that the .mo files will be built
> from the .po files present in the source of respective package and end
> up in /usr/share/locale//LC_MESSAGES next time respective
> package is uploaded. 

Since those projects have been Ubuntu focussed and translators on
launchpad are usually working on Ubuntu translations and since we have
the translations in good shape for the indicators I think it would make
sense to keep using langpacks.

That means adding "X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes" to their debian/control
and doing an upload.

The other way would be to export/download the translations for each
indicators, copy them/commit to the source and do an upload. But then
you need to keep doing that or you need to communicate to translators
that they need to submit their fixes to those projects.

Cheers,

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Re: Where do we translate indicator-datetime (and family) on Launchpad?

[Gunnar Hjalmarsson]

Hi Simon,

On 2018-03-28 22:28, Simos Xenitellis wrote:

Hi All,

I am trying to fix a couple of issues in the translation of
indicator-datetime (file:
/usr/share/locale-langpack/el/LC_MESSAGES/indicator-datetime.mo). In
18.04 there are many indicator files (indicator-appmenu,
indicator-bluetooth, indicator-session, etc), ten in total.

They do not appear to exist on Launchpad, and those that can be
found there are older versions with not translation templates for
Bionic.

Where can I find indicator-datetime on Launchpad with translation
template?

Shouldn't they be in
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+lang/el/+index?batch=150
?


Since those packages are no longer part of standard Ubuntu, they have 
been moved from main to universe, and the translation templates have 
been dropped from Launchpad (as you have already noticed). If I 
understand it correctly, it means that the .mo files will be built from 
the .po files present in the source of respective package and end up in 
/usr/share/locale//LC_MESSAGES next time respective package is 
uploaded.


There is a community effort to keep Unity alive going forward, and I 
don't know if they have established some new translation interface or if 
they expect translators to simply provide updated .po files via bug 
reports or maybe as merge proposals here:


https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-datetime/trunk.16.10

I sent a copy of this message to Khurshid Alam, who is a driving member 
of the ~unity7maintainers LP team. Hopefully he can tell more.


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