Hi
My first post and its only as a result of frustration with Ubuntu.
I would like to post here a post I posted in the Ubuntu forums which got
no repsonse other than load the NVidia driver (not the point of the
original post, and how since I had a totally black screen with a mouse
pointer).
Melv,
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:28 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote:
This has caused me a problem since 8.04 (7.10 is the last version I have
run sort of successfully without having to jump through VGA driver hoops
but I did have to jump through wireless drivers hoops and didnt solve them).
I am
What bug numbers have you filed for these issues?
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Hi Melv,
On 13 October 2010 10:28, Melv Bailey melvbai...@googlemail.com wrote:
Sorry if this seems a bit of a rant but there is now another new version
Of Ubuntu that STILL does not address the fundamentals of running on a
range of hardware that is fine for Windows.
If we're talking about
This is precisely why we have Launchpad, both the bug tracker and the
answers tracker.
The Ubuntu documentation (both in the OS and online) has workarounds,
known issues, and failing that can point you to an IRC channel #ubuntu -
people there are usually very helpful.
I totally understand though,
I think the point of any Linux desktop distro is not that everything will work
perfectly with every combination of hardware available but to work with most
hardware. The issue with computer users is not that they can't solve problems
or
get a particular setup working how they would like, its
Thanks for replys
I want to use Linux. I might use Windows, I might work with Windows, I
have hated Windows since version 3 (I was there, it was good for its
time), I have to admit I think they have finally got close with 7. I
dont like Microsoft as a company and its actions, but I have to
On 13/10/10 11:49, chris cundy wrote:
I think the point of any Linux desktop distro is not that everything
will work perfectly with every combination of hardware available but
to work with most hardware. The issue with computer users is not that
they can't solve problems or get a particular
Hi Mel,
Like yourself i'm new to the world of Linux having been in Microsoft
Support since I left school. Unlike you I've never had the problem you
describe but I have had instances on my old PC (NVidia 6600GT PCI-E
card) with the Live CD's not booting properly or hanging on the boot
up logo.
I
I think your best bet to get support on these machines is to:
1. Search http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu for the graphics cards you
have in each machine, there may be a known problem with them, or they
may have a workaround. It may even be a really simple fix :)
2. If there is nothing relevant
On 13/10/10 10:48, Alan Pope wrote:
The fact is though that right now there are few manufacturers making
machines with Ubuntu pre-installed, so people do have to do the
install. However I believe you should be comparing Oranges and
Oranges. If my mum bought a blank computer and wanted windows,
Dunno about your 10 year old son, but my 9 year old daughter installed Ubuntu
on the playroom computer the other day. It just worked.
Ubuntu does have failsafe X which should cut in with a working low graphics
mode, if that does not happen then it is a bug and you would be improving
ubuntu by
On 13 October 2010 12:08, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote:
Those who know, always seem to be those that stand there and say Ubuntu is
easy, easier than windows.
It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or
brain surgery. It's all about perspective. Many people who say
Your missing the point, the live CD is the way to anyone other than the
computer experts, and if it does not work it ends up in the bin,
together with the concept of Linux.
Why can it not start in a basic video mode, or at least have an option
to, so the user can have a second attempt at
I have had very few calls from my mum asking for help with her Ubuntu
system. She uses the same kinds of apps most people do.
I can vouch for that. My Farther-in-law recently bought a new pc, without
asking me, because he 'simply must have windows'. Last time I saw him he was
complaining
Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else
has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know
that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has anyone
else ever seen Ubuntu boot in this failsafe mode?
Yes. I've had issues in the past
I have.
With previous Live CD's I've had a menu instead of it just booting
straight in which has allowed me to select the resolution and toggle
VGA mode with just an F key pressed. Granted I had to initiate this
myself but it did work.
10.04 and 10.10 seem to skip this boot screen in my
On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote:
On 13 October 2010 12:08, John Matthewsjake...@sky.com wrote:
Those who know, always seem to be those that stand there and say Ubuntu is
easy, easier than windows.
It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or
brain surgery. It's all
No one is addressing my point of the live CD.
Al
I dont doubt that once Ubuntu is working it may be less problem to
maintain, and less problem to use, but if you have to edit files at the
commandline to get there (read the answers to all the forum posts, this
is required for a lot of solutions
Mel, I don’t know the answer to that, I assume yes its given out
to the masses at these events but lets be realistic, who goes to a
Linux event? Average everyday users? I kind of doubt it and I've never
seen these CD's being given out publicly in random places.
But
Hi Melv,
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:14 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote:
No one is addressing my point of the live CD.
I'm wondering if this is because no-one else on this list (and note that
I am referring to the list, not the world in general! ;) ) has
experienced this issue.
I accept that having a
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:27 +0100, Paul Jones wrote:
Mel, I don’t know the answer to that, I assume yes its given out to
the masses at these events but lets be realistic, who goes to a Linux
event? Average everyday users? I kind of doubt it and I've never seen
these CD's being given out
On 13 October 2010 13:46, Melv Bailey melvbai...@googlemail.com wrote:
Your missing the point, the live CD is the way to anyone other than the
computer experts, and if it does not work it ends up in the bin,
together with the concept of Linux.
Which is why you're getting encouraged to file
On 13 October 2010 13:57, Melv Bailey melvbai...@googlemail.com wrote:
Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else
has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know
that and have not in 4 years seen that mentioned before. Has anyone
else ever seen
I thought I'd throw my tuppence worth in.
Before I discovered Ubuntu, I had a few attempts at installing Linux.
One was Mandrake (version 7, I think), and I had a couple of attempts
at installing Debian and Redhat, all to no avail. I can't remember how
I found out about Ubuntu (Dapper), but I
On 13 October 2010 14:54, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote:
On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote:
It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or
brain surgery. It's all about perspective. Many people who say 'ubuntu
is easy' are almost always people who have had the pain
On 13/10/10 16:09, Alan Pope wrote:
On 13 October 2010 14:54, John Matthewsjake...@sky.com wrote:
On 13/10/10 13:49, Alan Pope wrote:
It's easy if you know what you're doing. Same as rocket science or
brain surgery. It's all about perspective. Many people who say 'ubuntu
is easy' are almost
Well said MR Pope.
There is a learning curve from windows 98 and windows 7~ just as there is
changing from windows to mac and also windows / mac to linux. I think
Ubuntu is much simpler to use because the majority of things will work out
of the box but like Alan Pope said to expect something
Do all of these machines have nVidia graphics cards?
Just a thought, but there's a known issue with the new Xorg 1.9 ABI that
breaks the older nVidia drivers, and I'm guessing the 6800 would be one
of them, hence the reason that Ubuntu *thinks* it is running ok. That
might also explain the fact
If you ask me (and I know noone did) there will ALWAYS be as many
people claiming it worked perfectly without any configuration at all
as there are people who claim it was a nightmare, I couldnt get it to
work and I couldnt get any help either regardless of whether its
Linux/Windows/ OSX etc.
On 13/10/10 16:35, Paul Jones wrote:
If you ask me (and I know noone did) there will ALWAYS be as many
people claiming it worked perfectly without any configuration at all
as there are people who claim it was a nightmare, I couldnt get it to
work and I couldnt get any help either
Hi John,
You've clearly had problems with Ubuntu, and your problems haven't yet
been resolved. I can understand the frustration you're feeling.
On 13 October 2010 16:19, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote:
Yeh, but there you go, for you, its never a problem, so it shouldnt be a
problem for
On 13/10/10 16:34, Alan Pope wrote:
Hi John,
You've clearly had problems with Ubuntu, and your problems haven't yet
been resolved. I can understand the frustration you're feeling.
On 13 October 2010 16:19, John Matthewsjake...@sky.com wrote:
Yeh, but there you go, for you, its never a
Equal support!??! You have GOT to be kidding me right?
When was the last time Microsoft had a bugtracker and actually had its
employees respond to a problem, let alone even acknowledge you?
Does MS have IRC channels? Direct support? No they bloody well don't!
The help is there for Ubuntu if you
On 13/10/10 17:05, Roy Jamison wrote:
Windows fanboys flame me, linux fanboys pat me on the back;) lol
I rest my case.
Sorry, this is verging on becoming abusive..
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If you read what I wrote again, the term equal support was aimed at the self
help methods including documentation and forums, which have always been
reasonably good for MS. Microsoft themselves have always been shocking, I did
say that in my last message... ;o)
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On 13 October 2010 17:08, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote:
Options I have tried and got nowhere again with.
I don't know what to suggest then. I know a lot of people get help
with their systems.
To be honest with you, its pissed me off you bought up that thing about
contacting people in
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:08 +0100, John Matthews jake...@sky.com
wrote:
Options I have tried and got nowhere again with.
How about trying them again now? A good argument attracts a lot of
people and that might give us enough eyeballs to make your bugs shallow
and get fixes for them.
Robert
John, yourself and Mel are making some very sweeping generalisations about the
support available to Ubuntu users and the attitudes of the people providing the
help.
Peoples experiences of using Ubuntu I am sure will mirror users of Windows as
well. Noones saying they can't be bothered to help
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:08 +0100, John Matthews wrote:
To be honest with you, its pissed me off you bought up that thing about
contacting people in the middle of the night. I have not done that on
here, or the ubuntu group, so I know there is only one reason for you to
have bought that up.
On 13/10/10 17:35, Paul Jones wrote:
I've been a user of support forums for years and have never had the issues
you or Mel describe, I've asked questions on all manner of forums ranging
from PC's to dishwashers to cats and never found a lack of people willing to
help and point me in the
On 13 October 2010 10:28, Melv Bailey melvbai...@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi
My first post and its only as a result of frustration with Ubuntu.
I would like to post here a post I posted in the Ubuntu forums which got
no repsonse other than load the NVidia driver (not the point of the
original
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 15:14 +0100, Melv Bailey wrote:
Clearly the regulars on here (I have been following this list for a
while) will defend Ubuntu to the hilt, but if you want its use to expand
someone need to accept there is a problem.
First I wish I could help - but haven't seen anything
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 17:44 +0100, John Matthews wrote:
You any idea how frustrating it is, to have a problem, and still have
no
solution, but lots of bad atmosphere.
it is a little frustrating for all concerned that a problem exists and
insufficient information has been provided in order
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote:
On 13/10/10 16:30, Roy Jamison wrote:
Do all of these machines have nVidia graphics cards?
Just a thought, but there's a known issue with the new Xorg 1.9 ABI that
breaks the older nVidia drivers, and I'm guessing the 6800
On 13 October 2010 22:25, Will Bickerstaff will.bickerst...@gmail.comwrote:
Isn't this what the OP was getting at. Why isn't this included as on
option, so when the desktop fails to load, which in my experience, is
far more common than is being indicated in this discussion, the user
can
oo-errr... a few hours working at Morrisons and I come home to this?
+1 for Alan Pope's thread that appears to have resulted in such
abuse... he makes a very valid point that when you have community
support it is on a voluntary basis and people should not be expected
to give up their whole lives
On 13/10/10 23:49, azmodie wrote:
snip
in the meantime i think new and general users should run the more stable
Long Term Support release (LTS). as it is generally the most stable release
compared to the 6 monthly release. tends to upgrade to next LTS more
reliably than the 6 monthly to 6
On 13/10/2010 7:56, Alan Pope wrote:
On 13 October 2010 13:57, Melv Baileymelvbai...@googlemail.com wrote:
Just seen Alan Bell's post and he has mentioned something no one else
has, there is meant to be a failsafe X in low res mode. I didnt know
that and have not in 4 years seen that
On 13/10/2010 7:14, Melv Bailey wrote:
No one is addressing my point of the live CD.
Al
I dont doubt that once Ubuntu is working it may be less problem to
maintain, and less problem to use, but if you have to edit files at the
commandline to get there (read the answers to all the forum
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