Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world

2011-06-11 Thread Mark Fraser
On Wednesday 08 Jun 2011 09:46:40 Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: I've been following up 7 days of this guy fighting a change to Ubuntu from Windows7. Sadly he is finding loads of contradictory messages, rants about linux, rants about mint, rants about nvidia drivers... But a very

[ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Mark Fraser
Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with the help section giving links to viewers? I've

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Alan Pope
On 11 June 2011 09:32, Mark Fraser ubu...@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk wrote: Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Lewis Cawte
On 11/06/11 09:40, Alan Pope wrote: On 11 June 2011 09:32, Mark Fraser ubu...@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk wrote: Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Alan Bell
On 11/06/11 09:32, Mark Fraser wrote: Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with the help

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Sean Miller
I think schools have a lot to answer for... they're supposed to be educational establishments, yet they seem to fundamentally misunderstand the whole concept of the web... PDFs are fine, for documents that need to be printed consistently (eg. posters for school events) but ALL other information

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Paul Sutton
On 11/06/11 11:01, Sean Miller wrote: I think schools have a lot to answer for... they're supposed to be educational establishments, yet they seem to fundamentally misunderstand the whole concept of the web... PDFs are fine, for documents that need to be printed consistently (eg. posters

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world

2011-06-11 Thread alan c
On 11/06/11 09:27, Mark Fraser wrote: On Wednesday 08 Jun 2011 09:46:40 Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: I've been following up 7 days of this guy fighting a change to Ubuntu from Windows7. Sadly he is finding loads of contradictory messages, rants about linux, rants about mint, rants about

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Sean Miller
On 11 June 2011 11:30, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: Perhaps we need more people in schools to help out who can actually do web design and help out without charging hundreds of pounds for the job. nProblem is most people out of college may not have these skills, I have seen web design

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world

2011-06-11 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 11 June 2011 11:33, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Have you seen Matt Daubneys' attempt at going from Ubuntu to Windows for 30 days? http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/ It is a nice idea. The elephant in the room is that almost nobody I know who

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Sean Miller
On 11 June 2011 11:40, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: I am SORRY but if this is the state of our education system then I despair... And this is largely irrelevant in many cases, because they are using CMS systems. It's their CHOICE to attach a PDF rather than merely type the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Will Bickerstaff
My sons school is not great. Most things are in PDF, Newsletters, prospectus, ofsted reports etc, I like the way Mark's school links directly to the ofsted site for the HTML version of the report rather than the way ours provides a PDF version. However we have no word excel or ppt files yet. The

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Paul Sutton
On 11/06/11 11:40, Sean Miller wrote: On 11 June 2011 11:30, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net mailto:zl...@zleap.net wrote: Perhaps we need more people in schools to help out who can actually do web design and help out without charging hundreds of pounds for the job. nProblem is most

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Avi
Sean Miller wrote: It's their CHOICE to attach a PDF rather than merely type the information into (in many cases) a WYSIWYG editor such as fckeditor or tinymce. Interesting use of 'merely' there. It's hardly surprising that they choose to attach an already-extant document rather than 'merely'

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread J Fernyhough
On 11 June 2011 11:40, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: No, that is not the point at all... schools would not take on somebody to be their secretary who had no concept of what a word processor was, or could not use a spreadsheet... they are meant to be educational establishments... are

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Mark Fraser
On Saturday 11 Jun 2011 09:32:31 Mark Fraser wrote: Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Sean Miller
On 11 June 2011 13:33, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: Collect dinner money, enter register data, phone parents, send out letters - and one of the other tasks is to post newsletters onto the school website. When you think about school secretaries you don't think about people with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread J Fernyhough
On 11 June 2011 14:08, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: Erm, this is a SCHOOL! Sparta? If they've got an even remotely competent IT Teacher Ha, nice one. See previous discussions. :) Plus, primary schools don't have IT teachers, they have class teachers (who might have a specialism,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Paul Sutton
On 11/06/11 14:18, J Fernyhough wrote: On 11 June 2011 14:08, Sean Millers...@seanmiller.net wrote: Erm, this is a SCHOOL! Sparta? If they've got an even remotely competent IT Teacher Ha, nice one. See previous discussions. :) Plus, primary schools don't have IT teachers, they have class

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Will Bickerstaff
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.comwrote: I know I slate the state of teaching quite often, but it's not teachers who upload stuff onto websites - it's admin staff. Primary schools, for example, have a school secretary who normally has to do pretty much

[ubuntu-uk] Decluttering

2011-06-11 Thread TT Mooney
Hi all -- I am getting rid of some surplus equipment from home, and rather than fuss with Ebay, I thought perhaps someone on the list would be interested. Current techie toys littering the flat include: O2 Joggler (works, briefly used, still in box, replaced with Nook Color Tablet for kitchen

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Tony Scott
Surely schools could use something like WordPress? Disclosure - I organise WordCamp UK ;-)   -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://2011.portsmouth.wordcampuk.org | http://lpd.bectu.com | http://orangecoconut.com From: Will

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world

2011-06-11 Thread Andres
No I haven't that's a good one! i'll follow it up! -- Sent from my Nokia N900 Please do not send me word documents plain txt or pdf are prefered. - Original message - On Wednesday 08 Jun 2011 09:46:40 Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: I've been following up 7 days of this guy fighting a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world

2011-06-11 Thread alan c
On 11/06/11 11:42, Matthew Daubney wrote: Maybe someone should write a linux installer that backs up the complete HDD state before install onto one of these disks now they're becoming inexpensive. Hi Matt A special version of say, clonezilla live would probably suffice. In its native state

Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world

2011-06-11 Thread Avi
alan c wrote: On 11/06/11 11:42, Matthew Daubney wrote: Maybe someone should write a linux installer that backs up the complete HDD state before install onto one of these disks now they're becoming inexpensive. Hi Matt A special version of say, clonezilla live would probably suffice.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-11 Thread gazz
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 13:30 +0100, Sarah Chard wrote: I would be very interested in the women's FOSS advocacy network - keep me posted on that as well Hi Sarah - we hope to have this up and running in the next couple of weeks so will post something here :) Paula --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-11 Thread gazz
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 13:24 +0100, john beddard wrote: Hello Gazz,Sarah : I'm also interested in developing materials in the area of introducing Ubuntu, as a non-profit. So please keep me in the information loop. I would like to contribute. Hi John - yes, that's exactly what we've

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread gazz
I know people with PhDs who won't write HMTL onto an open access academic site I run. It's not that people are too stupid, it's that they're too busy and don't do it often enough to be able to remember the markup between times - and they don't have time/skills to find their own errors when they

Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] materials for marketing

2011-06-11 Thread alan c
On 11/06/11 16:51, gazz wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 13:24 +0100, john beddard wrote: Hello Gazz,Sarah : I'm also interested in developing materials in the area of introducing Ubuntu, as a non-profit. So please keep me in the information loop. I would like to contribute. Hi John -

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-11 Thread Alan Bell
On 11/06/11 16:51, gazz wrote: I dunno if we should do another list for people interested in education/non-profit stuff? Is it on-topic for this list? yes, advocating Ubuntu in the UK education sector is totally on topic for this list. Alan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] materials for marketing

2011-06-11 Thread gazz
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 17:40 +0100, alan c wrote: On 11/06/11 16:51, gazz wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 13:24 +0100, john beddard wrote: Hello Gazz,Sarah : I'm also interested in developing materials in the area of introducing Ubuntu, as a non-profit. So please keep me in the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Andres
This might be a bit out of subject or opening a completly new can of worms but can't libreoffice save in html format? It can definatly save in pdf. Without installing cutepdf or whatever the schools are using. -- Sent from my Nokia N900 Please do not send me word documents plain txt or pdf

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Lewis Cawte
On 11/06/11 14:51, Tony Scott wrote: Surely schools could use something like WordPress? Disclosure - I organise WordCamp UK ;-) -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://2011.portsmouth.wordcampuk.org | http://lpd.bectu.com | http://orangecoconut.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-11 Thread alan c
On 11/06/11 17:48, Alan Bell wrote: On 11/06/11 16:51, gazz wrote: I dunno if we should do another list for people interested in education/non-profit stuff? Is it on-topic for this list? yes, advocating Ubuntu in the UK education sector is totally on topic for this list. Alan Which list

[ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?

2011-06-11 Thread (:techitone:)
Hi, I've been using Ubuntu on and off for a couple of years now and have learned a lot from reading the UK Ubuntu Talk emails. I've install Xubuntu many times on older (+5 to -10 years) laptops and I've given these laptops to people to borrow for community projects that I'm working on. It takes

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?

2011-06-11 Thread George Tripp
Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. Mac OS X 'sounds' cool. Its big cat release names sound powerful. Lion is soon to be released and is very cheap. This is cool. In my experience people use these OSs not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?

2011-06-11 Thread john beddard
These are valuable lessons that we need to take on board Tony. However we are dealing across an international community, where Ubuntu can have different meanings. Not forgetting that Microsoft Windows has very negative image across the world. To the point that most users had to begin using it,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Dino T.
Teachers have enough on their plate teaching 2-3 subjects. So on top of teaching subjects they didnt do a degree, they now by your standards have to learn HTML etc? Give me a break. School websites are only done as a means to advertise and make the school have an online presence. They do not in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Colin Law
On 11 June 2011 21:44, Dino T. d...@dinot.co.uk wrote: Teachers have enough on their plate teaching 2-3 subjects. So on top of teaching subjects they didnt do a degree, they now by your standards have to learn HTML etc? Give me a break. Few build web pages in raw html nowadays. No-one

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?

2011-06-11 Thread suprengr
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 21:42 +0100, john beddard wrote: These are valuable lessons that we need to take on board Tony. However we are dealing across an international community, where Ubuntu can have different meanings. Not forgetting that Microsoft Windows has very negative image across the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?

2011-06-11 Thread Alan Bell
On 11/06/11 21:06, (:techitone:) wrote: Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. not to me, they sound confused. 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7. That is a complete and utter mess, far from

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

2011-06-11 Thread Neil Greenwood
On Jun 11, 2011 2:40 PM, Will Bickerstaff will.bickerst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] aren't going to spend the time reformatting a newsletter in HTML format once they've made it in Word (or even worse, Publisher). Hence,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?

2011-06-11 Thread Grant Sewell
On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:13:03 +0100 Alan Bell wrote: On 11/06/11 21:06, (:techitone:) wrote: Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. not to me, they sound confused. 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME, XP,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?

2011-06-11 Thread alan c
On 11/06/11 21:06, (:techitone:) wrote: In my experience when I speak with people about trying, or even switching to, Ubuntu there is always a stumbling block with the name 'Ubuntu' and the names of all the releases, Dapper Drake, Hardy Heron, Karmic Koala, Lucid Lynx, Maverick Meerkat, Natty

[ubuntu-uk] keyring password

2011-06-11 Thread andres
Usually when I log in I have the keyring password pop-up to request my password. Normally I would write this once and it would mean that chats, email, diffusion, cloud,... password would be set. It now asks for the password 3 times in a row. I do not remember doing anything special. but I have a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Barebones pc.

2011-06-11 Thread LeeGroups
What sort of power usage do these microserver have? Lee On 10/06/11 10:06, Roger Lancefield wrote: On 10 June 2011 09:30, Dave Hansond...@hansonforensics.co.uk wrote: Morning all, I'm toying with the idea of buying a barebones pc from maplins to run web server on. (potentially more) I

[ubuntu-uk] email list not working in evolution (emails missing)

2011-06-11 Thread andres
I'm using evolution to read ubuntu lists that I have set-up in a digest. This shows first the list of emails and then the emails in a sort of sub-email format. But some of my emails are missing and I cannot see a pattern. I was suggested it might be spam but I have looked at my personal spam box