[ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Rowan Berkeley
Hi, Once again I lost my shutdown function; not only did shutdown vanish from my main menu, but when I added the Session Indicator Applet to the panel, the shutdown option on this did not work either; only the user switcher option worked. Therefore, I had to shutdown by pressing and holding the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread John Matthews
On 03/09/10 09:50, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, Once again I lost my shutdown function; not only did shutdown vanish from my main menu, but when I added the Session Indicator Applet to the panel, the shutdown option on this did not work either; only the user switcher option worked. Therefore,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Steve Fisher
On 3 September 2010 09:50, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Once again I lost my shutdown function; not only did shutdown vanish from my main menu, but when I added the Session Indicator Applet to the panel, the shutdown option on this did not work either; only the user

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On Fri, 2010-09-03 at 10:01:28 +0100, John Matthews jake...@sky.com wrote: On 03/09/10 09:50, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, Once again I lost my shutdown function; not only did shutdown vanish from my main menu, but when I added the Session Indicator Applet to the panel, the shutdown option

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Andy Braben
Having had someone mention this problem to me and solved it via a hard shut down, my advice was to NEVER hard shutdown, but to press ctrl+alt+delete and select shutdown from the dialog box that appears. That worked perfectly and seems to be the simplest option which does not involve the command

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Jacob Mansfield
using CTRL+ALT+DEL would work, just kill the power when the bios runs again On 3 September 2010 11:21, Andy Braben andybra...@googlemail.com wrote: Having had someone mention this problem to me and solved it via a hard shut down, my advice was to NEVER hard shutdown, but to press

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Andy Braben
Ctrl+Alt+Del, comes up with a dialog box where you can select shutdown. Selecting shutdown will shutdown the computer neatly and switch it off. No need to switch it off yourself. On 3 September 2010 11:35, Jacob Mansfield cyberja...@gmail.com wrote: using CTRL+ALT+DEL would work, just kill the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 03/09/10 09:50, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, Once again I lost my shutdown function; not only did shutdown vanish from my main menu, but when I added the Session Indicator Applet to the panel, the shutdown option on this did not work either; only the user switcher option worked. Therefore, I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Liam Proven
On 3 September 2010 12:36, Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/09/10 09:50, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Hi, Once again I lost my shutdown function; not only did shutdown vanish from my main menu, but when I added the Session Indicator Applet to the panel, the shutdown option on this

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Alan Pope
On 3 September 2010 12:50, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: You don't even need to do that much. Switch to a vconsole with Ctrl-Alt-F1 to F6 and then just press Ctrl-Alt-Del. This will force a reboot with no need to login or anything. When the machine reboots, just turn it off. Or just

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Glen Mehn
when you do the power pull, you could have data corruption for anything that's not written to the filesystem (the details of this are a) very boring and b) vary by filesystem. To avoid problems, stop (or kill) all running programs, and do: sudo halt or sudo shutdown -h now (which is what the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Jacob Mansfield
but what would you do on a server, when the physical power button does nothing? On 3 September 2010 13:41, Glen Mehn glen.m...@oba.co.uk wrote: when you do the power pull, you could have data corruption for anything that's not written to the filesystem (the details of this are a) very boring

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Alan Pope
On 3 September 2010 17:06, Jacob Mansfield cyberja...@gmail.com wrote: but what would you do on a server, when the physical power button does nothing? That's not the case on all servers, but on those where it is, any of the other methods outlined will work. Cheers, Al. --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 03/09/10 17:06, Jacob Mansfield wrote: but what would you do on a server, when the physical power button does nothing? What's a GUI doing on a server in the first place? ssh m...@server.com sudo halt exit :-) -- The Open Learning Centre http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Does a hard shutdown actually damage anything?

2010-09-03 Thread Jacob Mansfield
works :) On 3 September 2010 17:51, Alan Lord (News) alansli...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/09/10 17:06, Jacob Mansfield wrote: but what would you do on a server, when the physical power button does nothing? What's a GUI doing on a server in the first place? ssh m...@server.com sudo halt