[ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-source-procurement-toolkit It's publicly accessible so you don't need a .gov.uk address to get access, and it might be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 14:45, Chris Rowson wrote: I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-source-procurement-toolkit It's publicly accessible so you don't need a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Avi Greenbury
Chris Rowson wrote: The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I think it means to say that UK.gov considers 'Open Source' a product

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I think it means to say that UK.gov considers 'Open Source' a product (perhaps like

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:24, Barry Drake wrote: On 19/11/11 14:45, Chris Rowson wrote: I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: I'm quite excited by this. I had already contacted my MP, MEP, local councillor and County

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Avi Greenbury
Chris Rowson wrote: The bit that jumped out at me personally was the legal definition of open source as a product rather than a feature. I wondered if this might make it difficult to specify open source as a requirement in a tender (because it seems that as far as the legal definition in the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I think it means to say that UK.gov considers 'Open

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
I can also understand a general unwillingness to disconnect software from the license under which it is made available; I don't see what's gained from splitting them. Why would you wish to be able to ban non-Open source products from tendering? You wouldn't want to ban non-open source

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 21:03, Avi Greenbury wrote: Chris Rowson wrote: The bit that jumped out at me personally was the legal definition of open source as a product rather than a feature. I wondered if this might make it difficult to specify open source as a requirement in a tender (because it seems

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:40, Juan J. Martínez wrote: I don't know the details about UK gov, but in Spain the government pays an absurd amount of money just for the licenses, and then pays for support... frequently from a third party (probably the vendor providing the hardware, with a partnership with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Juan J.
On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 21:37 +, alan c wrote: On 19/11/11 20:40, Juan J. Martínez wrote: I don't know the details about UK gov, but in Spain the government pays an absurd amount of money just for the licenses, and then pays for support... frequently from a third party (probably the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Alan Bell
On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: I did wonder if anyone on the list had responded to the Cabinet Office consultation :-) I am kind of involved in the process (funny how Ubuntu ended up on the list isn't it? . . .) It is hugely political, and a bit Yes Ministerish but yeah there

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: I did wonder if anyone on the list had responded to the Cabinet Office consultation :-) I am kind of involved in the process (funny how Ubuntu ended up on the list isn't

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Avi Greenbury
Chris Rowson wrote: I can also understand a general unwillingness to disconnect software from the license under which it is made available; I don't see what's gained from splitting them. Why would you wish to be able to ban non-Open source products from tendering? You wouldn't want to