[Ugnet] VIOLENCE, RAPE AND DEFILEMENT ARE TERMS THAT HAVE BEEN USED ON NORTHERN UGANDA WAY TOO LONG AND MUST STOP
Violent deaths of our people in the hands of various armed groups; arson perpetrated on mass scale in our land; rape and defilement of our women and girls; abduction of our young people; forced recruitment of our people into rebel ranks; the prevalence of a general atmosphere of fear and disenchantment amongst our people; mass displacement of our people; creation of protected villages which have become breeding grounds for malnutrition and deaths resulting from cholera, measles, and preventable diseases amongst our people; and destruction of our infrastructures and continuous decline in socio-economic growth. Rt. Rev. Macleod Baker Ochola II EM On the 49th Parallel Thé Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/ugandanet@kym.net/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] THIS IS THE SAD VIOLENCE WE ARE NEGLECTING
Ssalongo Ssenoga
That is true to a certain point, but when NRA was in Luwero it did not build
its fighting structure on targeting children, kidnaping them and training them
to murder their relatives. Yes children were forced into fighting because their
parents had been murdered by both sides, but NRA never attacked schools to get
children to fight for it let alone to marry. And on record, Luwero had so many
boarding schools. If NRA did that I would have known and I simply don’t. For
some bothering reason Acholi built LRA on children, they kidnaped them and into
tens of thousands, they trained them on how to murder people, they trained them
by getting a brother murder a sister. They attacked their own boarding schools
to get girls to marry. Who does that? Ssalongo I read a paper last week of how
an 8 year old had a job to cut off limbs of all children that tried to run away
from the war, and that 8 year old was a girl. Did NRA go that deep in violence?
When you read the atrocities of LRA you kneel on your knees and thank NRA for
they were very humane.
But here is the tough part I have, after reading all these reports and I am
still reading, for I have enough information today to run this series to
2,500th series, but as I read I start to question myself why no single
Acholi/Langi has ever distanced him/herself from Kony or his war. Not Ocen
Nekyon, not George Okello, not Matek Opok not pOcure. The only message they are
pushing out there is Museveni has commited atrocities in Northern Uganda, not
Kony but Museveni. So you start to wonder are all these children kidnapped not
a problem to them? And for God’s sake would you fly into Juba for talks and
represent this man? Kony was represented but would you go to any talks to
represent him? To what end seriously with such a beast? But our friends that
are mainly Acholi actually went to Juba to represent him when he is using their
children thus deep. George Okello actually said that Olara Otunu might be able
to create an understanding with Kony to be in the government. It is such
statements that make some of us puke.
We need to start addressing the Acholi violence candidly sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
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EM, Luwero is not as well covered in the media. Thank you very much sir!
Villager
On Thursday, January 22, 2015, Herrn Edward Mulindwa mulin...@look.ca
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Simon Peter Okurut
No let me please respond to you in earnest, for you made your comments in
earnest than the Ugandans that plead that I am planting hatred and I must be
charged and thrown to jail. The atrocities I have read out of Northern Uganda,
which are very many by the way, for as soon as I posted the article of a man
that raped his mother, a second one showed up in again Gulu. But all of these
things are happening for Acholi claim to be drunk. And yes I have pushed for we
need to curve the drinking in Northern Uganda. But here is my concern, under
Museveni, drinking has gone through the roof in our entire country. Baganda are
drinking their pants off. I have seen Utubes where they are talking with their
tongue caught between a broken teeth and you have honestly seen them, so it is
not only Acholi drinking in Uganda. The country is listed into a second best
drinking country in Africa.
Why is it only Acholi that rape their mothers for they are drunk?
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
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Mulindwa,
Such violence is mainly attributed to effects of conflict. We shall witness
many more or even worse events; the 20 year plus war in the north between NRA
and the various armed groups that challenged it all contributed to these mental
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Re: [Ugnet] {UAH} THIS IS THE SAD VIOLENCE WE ARE NEGLECTING
William Nkata
There is no way you will or can sit in Uganda when killers are allowed to walk
free. I am trying to get a piece where a girl in Gulu is refusing to live on a
village where those that kidnapped her, and educated her how to murder people
at age 12 live. She wants to be moved out of the village, but for some two or
so days, I am looking where I saved the piece and I cannot find it if I do I
will post it. People your have not lived under Acholi and tasted their kind of
violence. I posted a piece where a girl was sleeping under a tree and Acholi
woke her up and ended up cutting her vagina out, they left her for the dead,
and you are asking her to sit with them and build a future Uganda, are you
firkin kidding me Stop being arm chair critics and handing everyone a
solution to the way forward, when you do not want to hold killers responsible
for their actions.
This is an Acholi refusing to live with them on same village why should I sit
with them?
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
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Thank you Brother Somon Peter for this observation.
I have written in recent past about the great need for Ugandans to make an
effort, to-- ORGANISE TO SIT, ORGANISE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE
COUNTY REPRESENTING DIFERENT NATION STATES (KINGDOMS CHIEFDOMS +OTHERS) ,
DELIBERATE TO IDENTIFY A MINIMUM TASK FOR BRINGING THE UNITED UGANDA TO SAFETY,
THAT IS SUSTAINABLE AND PROMISING--
What Peter is noting here is not a joke for the case of this JOINED UP LAND
called Uganda,
The Blood shed since 1966 would have been avoided, believe me and partly the
fail has been for these state nations tthat make up Ugand ahave failed to sit
and agree to disagree.
PRIOR THE 1966 SCANDALS, thee was relative peace, love, trust and bussiness was
what people enjoyed doing, bussinness of building a United Uganda, ...
War is easy to get into, but it takes generations to get out of!!!--FACT.
Generations that come after war pay the costs, and from a psychological point
of view , or Holistic well being of a population, Functioning is restricted due
to compromised sense of reason, trust, exagerated fear and worries, that what
happened during war can hapaned again with greater maginitudes.
Thre traumas experienced by mother and children because of an abset father away
at war is a daily experience that they become numb and you would wonder things
they would do or fail to do---(Reduced functioning).
Unfortunately No Gov HAS ADDRESSED the issue of appreciating that there is over
representation of psycho-pathology in Uganda populance.
You see some opinions and decisions by people in responsible institutions and
you are left where they are comming from and going...
The lack of empathy and crudeness of they treat others , you wonder..
Those who share the different views are no better some of the times as they ae
only inteested in attacking the PERSON's behaviours only and fail to ask
questions of sanity, rationality and relevancy.
We have actually accussed people who are clinically unwell but they happen to
be in positions of power or responsibility but WE DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY ARE
SUFFERING FROM A DISORDER AS A RESULT OF UGANDA HAVING BEEN AT WAR WITH ITSSELF
AND OTHERS SINCE 1966 To date!!
SOLUTION(S)--
Time to intergrate people skilled in mental health well being, Emotional
inteligence, and spiritual healing of all back grounds be positioned at all
levels institutional operations to support those skilled Ugandans with a mental
disorder.
-Wait not for Gov or Donors, Its our country its our poeple, its our childrens
future...lets sit and get started.
MOST UGANDANS who ae curently functional, ARE CHILDREN OF WAR.
We are all victims!!!
We all need each other
We need to be empathetic
Lets visit Luwero, Gulu, Apac Kanungu , Ayume, Rwenzururu, Buddo primary school
ETC and share stories of cruelity and declare not again.
I view jiggers in Busoga as outcomes of traumas of war that have killed Reason
away from OPINION MAKERS AND OPINION LEADERS.
FAILURE:
Time bomb of a nation of avengers
Time bomb of a nation of self harmers and people quick to commit suicide or
carry out homicide acts.
War bleeds war, Paeful means narture Reason and subtle measns of resolving
conflicts..
Opinion makers opinion leaders have all failed and failed teribly in excuting
their role an responsibilities as they have all choosen to make money and a
country, I mean A Nation
[Ugnet] IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED HIM {---Series Seventy}
Friends This is just a sample of the atrocities commited by Acholi to Acholi. It is important to note as well that Uganda government soldiers have also commited them as well, but this is what is strange, Acholi are kidnaping fellow Acholi and sexually assaulting fellow Acholi. And here comes the grand question, why is Akim Odong keeping quiet about this nightmare but talks about Federalism in Uganda? Why is George Okello quite about this nightmare but talks about EMs mental situation? If this was in Buganda or Luwero who would be silent about it? Friends if you ever saw an Acholi and ran away for he had a gun, the Acholi growing up in Acholi land now, must worry you. We need to discuss The Acholi violence candidly. Violence Against Women and Girls in Northern Uganda by Msia Kibona-Clark - Amnesty International http://theotherjournal.com/article_author/msia-kibona-clark-amnesty-international/ on Monday, August 8, 2005 · Filed under 6: Africa http://theotherjournal.com/category/issues/6_africa/ , Praxis http://theotherjournal.com/category/praxis/ I have been known to shed my share of tears over stories of human suffering, to ache for the voiceless victims whose eyes stare out at me from the pages of human interest stories. The story of the forgotten women and girl-children of Northern Uganda is therefore one that is close to my heart. As an East African, an activist, and a woman, I am connected with these victims of Uganda’s nearly 20-year-old conflict. However, as an East African, an activist, and a woman, the crisis of the women and girl-children of Northern Uganda is one that I have only recently come to know and understand more fully. In the safety of my native Tanzania, the cries of these women and children go unheard; there has been no sounding of the alarm, no outrage that would spur action. As an activist and as a woman, we are often familiar with Rwanda, Sudan, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, but are rarely called to arms for the women and girl-children of Uganda. The situation in Northern Uganda has been called the “world’s biggest hostage situation”. The safety and security of women and girls in Northern Uganda has surpassed critical. The abductions and rapes of women and girls by the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) and the random acts of sexual assault against women and girls in camps for the internally displaced (IDP camps) by the Uganda Peoples Defense Force (UDPF), government forces, LRA fighters, and community members have gone largely unnoticed and ignored. The support networks that are in place are underfunded and understaffed, and the lack of international attention has left the women and girl-children of Northern Uganda in a virtual nightmare for the past 20 years. History of the Conflict Uganda’s independence in 1962 ushered in 24 years of oppressive rule by two of Africa’s most notorious dictators, Milton Obote and Idi Amin. In a last ditch effort by Milton Obote to hold on to his second regime and stave off a coup, the army, made up of mostly Acholi soldiers from northern Uganda, massacred an estimated 100,000 to 300,000 people in an area known as Luwero Triangle, just north of the capital Kampala . The victims were members of the dominant Buganda ethnic group, and the area had been a base of support for the rebel group the National Resistance Movement (NRM) and its leader, Uganda’s current president, Yoweri Museveni. So when violence erupted in 1986 in northern Uganda, many in the rest of Uganda took little sympathy on the Acholi people. This included the current regime of President Museveni, whose army is accused of retribution attacks on Acholi once the NRM took power . The sense of apathy on the part of Ugandans gave the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) the perfect opportunity to wage a campaign of terror on their own people. The LRA is made of Acholi fighters and child soldiers, and their leader, Joseph Kony, lacks any coherent ideology or objective. Kony has only expressed that he seeks to overthrow the current regime and redress the grievances of the Acholi people. The irony is that Kony and the LRA turned on the Acholi people because of their lack of support for the LRA’s campaign against the government, while the government, and several Ugandan citizens, have turned their back on the Acholi people because of their perceived support of the LRA and the atrocities committed at Luwero. In the midst of all this are the victims of northern Uganda, the more than 1 million women and children who are terrorized daily in a conflict that the world has ignored for the past two decades. Abductees Since the LRA began its reign of terror in 1987, abductions have been a favorite method of gaining new soldiers and securing labor. The current numbers of the LRA forces range from 3,000 to 4,000, with between 70-80% being children . In looking at the over all impact of the conflict, reports estimate that over 20,000
[Ugnet] IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED HIM {---Series Seventy-One}
Friends Acholi commited atrocities against Acholi, but what did they do outside the Acholi region? That is the very question that pushed Zachary Lomo and Lucy Hovil in a study about Acholi when they decided to attack Teso, thus a study called Behind the violence and wrote a report under a heading “The spread of a war”We are posting from chapter five. We need to discuss the violence of Acholi candidly. THE SPREAD OF THE WAR Apart from attacks in West Nile and Lango since the early 1990s, the LRA conflict has been felt most intensely in the districts of Gulu, Kitgum and Pader. The year 2003, however, saw what appears to have been a deliberate and well coordinated spread of the war, to the east in particular. In May 2003, the LRA ambushed a bus along Pakwach-Karuma road in Gulu District.207 This was followed on 15 June 2003 by simultaneous attacks in the districts of Lira, Apac and Katakwi, in what some in Teso have called their “September 11th”.208 Three days later, the LRA attacked Adjumani town for the first time in fourteen years.209 These attacks were soon followed by others of greater frequency and intensity in the districts of Kaberamaido and Katakwi in Teso region. On 24 June, the LRA attacked Soroti town, resulting in at least 200 deaths and the abduction of hundreds more children, including 100 schoolgirls.210 A group of IDPs in Lira described this sequence of events: “The attacks were gradual. We knew the rebels were camped at a certain place, but they did not attack for a long time, so we waited. We told the UPDF but they did not respond. So we waited, and suddenly places were attacked and because they didn’t protect us, we had to run.”211 Thus, LRA attacks have not only continued with intensity across the Acholi sub-region, but have also spread to several other areas. On 26 June, it was reported that more than 2 000 veterans of the defunct Teso-based rebel Uganda People’s Army (UPA) led by Musa Ecweru, then Resident District Commissioner (RDC) of Kasese, and local MP John Eresu, had joined the UPDF to fight the rebels in Teso.212 This development was later opposed by a group of northern parliamentarians, who viewed the deployment of paramilitary groups as unconstitutional.213 Explaining the extension of the conflict The movement of the LRA into Teso and Lango appears to have occurred for several reasons. First, many believe that the LRA were running short of food and other logistical supplies, having thoroughly looted Gulu, Kitgum and Pader for the past 17 years. With more than 80% of the population in these districts displaced in IDP camps, most of the land currently lies fallow. Given the fact that the LRA relies chiefly on plundering agricultural stocks to resupply its food needs, and that many planting seasons have been missed in these districts, there are few crops left to loot. Teso, on the other hand, is known as a fertile farming region that supplies beef, chicken and potatoes to other regions of Uganda. It was thus a key target area to attack when foodstuffs were in short supply in the usual operational area. Second, the LRA appears to have believed it could gain support from these areas, particularly among former rebels from Teso and Tororo/Busia. As an official in Soroti commented, [Kony] thought that since we had a rebellion here, he could find potential allies. They thought they could then proceed to fight the government until Kampala. They wanted to spread their area of influence. The UPDF is taking over Gulu and Kitgum, so they came here. But the people of Teso have not joined them; we have the Arrows.214 Our interviews reveal that the LRA first spent several days in both areas without attacking. According to local residents in Obalanga (Katakwi District, part of Teso region), the rebels were initially very friendly – playing football, watching videos, and generally interacting freely with the population.215 Informants also reported that the LRA came with a list of names of former UPA rebels who had fought against the government from 1987 to 1992. They wanted to know the locations of these ex-fighters so as to activate them to fight the “dictatorial” Museveni government. A similar thing appears to have occurred in Tororo and Busia in September and October 2003, with the LRA allegedly sending six scouts in search of fighters from the former 9 October Movement.216 Kony appears to be following in the footsteps of UPDA fighters from Gulu, who in 1988 attempted to join UPA rebels in Teso against the government. 217 The move to Lango (Lira and Apac districts) came later in September, and appears to have been in part a reaction to being pushed back from Teso.218 The drive to activate former fighters in the east may have been an attempt by the LRA to reorganise itself in a time of uncertainty, given the potential implications of the Sudan peace process, which brought the LRA’s key supply
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Former Mandela aide’s Twitter rant sets off race row in South AfricaZelda la Grange's outburst shows how South Africa’s racial divide remains, despite 20 years of post-apartheid politics. - Share on Facebook - - - [image: Reddit this!] http://www.reddit.com/submit [image: Zelda La Grange, right, one of the late Nelson Mandela's most trusted advisers, has been accused of sowing racial division.] ORYX MEDIA ARCHIVE/GALLO IMAGES / GALLO IMAGES/GETTY IMAGES FILE PHOTO Zelda La Grange, right, one of the late Nelson Mandela's most trusted advisers, has been accused of sowing racial division. *By:* Stephanie Findlay Special to the Star, Published on Wed Jan 21 2015 PRETORIA, SOUTH AFRICA—A former personal assistant to Nelson Mandela found herself thrust into the middle of South Africa’s enduring racial divide this week after ranting about the ruling ANC party. “Jacob Zuma made it clear whites are not welcome in SA,” tweeted Zelda la Grange about the country’s president. “I’m SICK of Jacob Zuma’s constant go at whites every few months,” she said (emphasis hers). “Why can’t we coexist without it having to be at the expense of one another?” The rant came from an unexpected source; La Grange has branded herself as a reformed Afrikaner, a living symbol of post-apartheid reconciliation between whites and blacks. Coming from a stereotypical middle-class Afrikaans family, La Grange said she grew up supporting segregation. “We were, I suppose, racists,” she wrote in her bestselling memoir, *Good Morning, Mr. Mandela*. She joined the president’s office as a typist in 1994 and quickly became one of Mandela’s most trusted advisers. After being appointed his secretary, La Grange changed her ways, championing Mandela’s dream of a rainbow nation. She would remain his faithful assistant until he died, earning the nickname the “Rottweiler” for her ferocious loyalty to South Africa’s first black president. Yet her outburst on Twitter and the following firestorm showed how South Africa’s racial divide remains, despite 20 years of post-apartheid politics. On Sunday, La Grange accused Zuma of creating an environment where whites were unwelcome after he said South Africa’s problems began when Jan van Riebeeck started a colony in Cape Town. She questioned why Zuma’s ruling ANC party was opposed to naming a street after Frederik Willem de Klerk, the last apartheid president who helped oversee the country’s transition from whites-only rule to democracy. (Earlier in the week, ANC national spokesperson Zizi Kodwa said, “all he — De Klerk — did, among other things, was to maintain apartheid.”) The response to La Grange was as rapid as it was diverse. Some Twitter users compared her to the Ku Klux Klan, while others contributed to the revealing hashtag #ZeldaDoesntEvenKnow, sharing racist experiences in present-day South Africa. “When you crossing road and the white folk lock their car doors as you walking past #ZeldaDoesntEvenKnow,” said @SiyaBeyile. Though La Grange apologized profusely in a 14-part tweet, the public flogging continued, culminating with an ANC politician describing her as a “spoiled white person.” “She preaches non-racialism to protect white people. Now she’s sowing racial division,” ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe said to the Beeld, an Afrikaans newspaper, on Monday. The debate about race comes as the country’s economy is faltering. The rand is plummeting in value and households are facing months of rolling blackouts after years of mismanagement at the country’s state-run power utility. Meanwhile, Zuma is embroiled in a series of corruption scandals. Still, La Grange went about her criticism the wrong way, said Pierre de Vos, a constitutional lawyer. “If you’re a white person and your tone is one of superiority and of victimhood, black people who still often experience racism and white people who know about it get really upset and say this is really unacceptable,” said De Vos, speaking from Cape Town. “There is a very strong feeling among South Africans that if you deny what happened in the past you’re denying people their humanity, and saying the history of marginalization and oppression doesn’t matter.” The limits of free speech are constantly being tested in South Africa, where the brutal legacy of apartheid is never far away. In 2011, then-ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema was found guilty http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/15/anc-julius-malema-guilty-hate-speech of hate speech for singing “Shoot the Boer,” an apartheid-era song that describes shooting Afrikaners. De Vos points out that La Grange won’t be facing any hate-speech charges. Still, he says, he hopes South Africa can have this conversation again from a less polarized point of view. “The kind of tone Zelda la Grange uses, I’m not sure it actually creates a space for reasoned discussion,” he said. “But I think it is important to have the debate. Especially because white people often do not want to talk about
[Ugnet] THIS IS THE SAD VIOLENCE WE ARE NEGLECTING
Peter Simon
Do you know a village, a parish, a sub parish that was spared by Acholi in West
Nile when they went after the Alur Madi Lugbara and Banubbi? Do you know any
school a church or hospital that they spared for all of the people in West Nile
were not of Iddi Amin tribe? The danger of your argument is that when they
went after every living thing in West Nile and either killed it or forced it to
leave Uganda for South Sudan or Eastern DRC, you saw absolutely no problem into
it to stand up and oppose their massive attack, either as a Ugandan let alone a
UPC member. You allowed them to go after every one for this time they were
killing those close to Iddi Amin’s tribe. Peter they attacked every inch of
West Nile that the entire region failed to participate in the 1980 election. Do
you know any of such they spared in Luwero? But the moment I go after them
now, because I have gone after Acholi you gain the strength to become Mr. Smart
pants and accuse me of generalization.
What a sad day !
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
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Mr. Mulindwa,
I see that the court issue is a real pain for you and may be you are really
right to curse those Acholis for what they have done, how could they threaten
you? Your question must be, of all people on earth, it is the Acholi suing you
for blaming their entire tribe while other people have left you freely bashing
them. I can see how you must be left wondering. I am also surprised that it is
only Acholi who are able to see how wrong it is to blame an entire tribe for
crimes of a few people from such a tribe. Why do others not see such a mistake.
NRA do not see anything wrong, Buganda kingdom see no problem when you abuse
Kabaka but Acholi see your abuses as bad, may be they are really bad, most
especially if it is your right to blame all of them for the unproven crimes
some of their sons committed. You might wish to counter sue them for denying
you that right, yes, you are also entitled to sue them if they are violating
your right to blame them.
I would love to hear the court would say. Anyway, I merely pointed out issues
in your narrative which seemed to suggest that every criminal must commit the
same crime in order to be considered a criminal.
Go ahead with your pounding and I do not know if it is wrong for those pounded
to cry, I think they are entitled to seek help from whoever they feel can save
them from the heavy pounding hand/pen of heavy weight boxer. I am just
wondering if you expected them not to react as the NRA whose hands you shake
haven't; this might be the right time to start looking at people and issues
differently, for some it is okay to be slapped, they can turn the other cheek,
but for others, it is an eye for an eye, so check out next time before you
stretch your pen or hand.
Peter Simon
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From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa mulin...@look.ca
To: ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
mailto:ugandans-at-he...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: {UAH} THIS IS THE SAD VIOLENCE WE ARE NEGLECTING
Peter Simon
I have spent 15 years writing about the atrocities of NRA and I am not going
back there, I am now started on UNLA. On record I have started to write about
UNLA only in the series. From the time Museveni came to power I have been
going/pounding after NRA. And I am not going back there, if there is anything I
didn’t list go after it. And to tell you the truth they never threatened to sue
me, I have been going to Uganda and shaking their hand as I pound them on the
net, the very difference between Museveni and The Acholi violence. Go figure.
Secondly if you want to go after my notes read them carefully, the schools were
attacked, how many students were kidnaped by NRA and force trained? How many
girls were taken for forced marriage? Mugisha Muntonyera took a girl from here
and I lamented for her for three months and you are telling me that they raped
students in Luwero schools and I did not know it?
Cut me some slack sir.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko
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