Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005
Musamize The answer to your number one question is a definitely yes, and it is very interesting that this issue is even being made an issue for those of us who were following issues about Muteesa's trying to overthrow Uganda government at the time, those of us who knew how he went to the Uganda British Embassy to ask for arms to attack an elected government, a request the British refused by the way, thought this was a public knowledge but as it stands seems to be not. Look here Musamize the moment you become a leader your affairs become public, for example at a time Museveni became a President his wife was a single mother in Sweden and on welfare. That we as well know. Ask the Ugandans in Sweden who follow the issues. As Baganda we just do not care to know what happened, by the way Uganda government even at a time knew how Mutesa left Uganda through a friendly nation West of Uganda and gave him a free passage for they wanted him to go if the government wanted Mutesa arrested he would have been. Let me as well add that. Question two. Musamize you are an informed man this is 2005 get off your nice butt and do some research for this is a historical fact you need to know, let me not do your home work since I have mine to do. Question three. At the time Ugandans did not know about exile, even during Amin's government you will be amazed that no Ugandan had a foreign account that habit has been built by Museveni's era, so I can not debate what I do not know, until when you prove Mutesa had foreign accounts then I can take an issue with that. As far as I know Muteesa Loved Uganda and never knew he would leave the nation why would he again scoop money to be allocated abroad, unless you know those facts and you are informing us today as a Muganda. Question four. Obote has honestly survived on the good will of some very poor people who have tried their best to support him, and I think it is a good thing because he has lived on his good will. Musamize I was arrested by Obote's government and almost died in Makindye barracks, you have no idea how I ended up being a refugee but if you go in Ottawa citizen and Globe ad Mail of June 1984 achieves my story was a leading story for I was rescued by The Canadian embassy in Nairobi. So my case is a very public case, not some crap economical refugee, but at a time I had a point of death or alive situation, Margaret Thatcher's comments are as well in those papers about my life and exit out of Uganda, so I have no good words on that government. But the fact remains we need to state facts as they are. Ugandans love Obote we can not change that. And you as Musamize have a right to hate him but developing requires both of those people to accept each other, which you have a problem with. A man has said he is going home and millions are planning to receive him. What does that tell you? May be we should in our personal hate of Obote accept it and move on? The facts Musamize The facts are what we need to base on. Look doesn't it bother you that we are told that the last election of Obote two were rigged yet we do not know who won it 20 plus years now? And just how stupid are we? One must wonder!! Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: musamize To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005 Mr. Mulindwa, For a self-proclaimed "Critical Thinker", you spend a tremendous amout of time beating about the bush, all the time wishing and praying that the questions will magicallyevaporate. The questions on the table are: 1. Did Obote send money for Muteesa's upkeep during exile -- as you have claimed --or not? 2. If so, how much, when, and from whenceand with what authority? 3. And. what in the world did Obote do with the money in Muteesa's account in Uganda after he froze the account? Unless answer are forthcoming, and since we all know that Obote has never put in an honest day's work all the time he has been in exile,I'll assume thatObote has been actually eating on Muteesa's money all these years, otherwise how has he survived thus far and managed to live so high on the hog? ps: "I do not know" is an acceptable answer to each of those questions.Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a critical thinker does in a circumstance like this is to tell us how Muteesa survived in UK, I wish Kasangwawo can stop the ranting and tell us how Magulunyondo survived? Did Baganda send funds to support our King? And if not so we could ask our selves why? Because failing to address this issue today we will
Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005
Ha, ha, he really believed he was genuinely being called a critical thinker ! Look Mulindwa, I honestly believe you did not read the article in question (or is the language causing problems yet again ?), otherwise you would not be asking these unnecessary questions. I suggest you read the article carefully - the answers to your questions can be found thereof; where he lived, how he lived, what he lived from, from whom he got help, et cetera. If you find this too difficult, just ask some of your friends to translate for you into a language you understand better. One thing is certain though - Obote treated Muteesa in the most abominable way by denying him access even to his private funds in Kampala by freezing his account there. Kasangwawo From: Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005 Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 20:03:13 -0400 What a critical thinker does in a circumstance like this is to tell us how Muteesa survived in UK, I wish Kasangwawo can stop the ranting and tell us how Magulunyondo survived? Did Baganda send funds to support our King? And if not so we could ask our selves why? Because failing to address this issue today we will have another King in exile and he still will live in poverty for Obote is gone from Uganda's history and I do not see Mutebi in Kingdom pass Museveni. I really do not. But the Kasangwawo's just keep on singing Ssabasajja Waligwa nange wendigwa crap. And we pick no lesson at all, that is true Bugandism. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005 Mw. Mulindwa, Did I miss your response to this below, or are you still critically thinking about it? Once again, my name is at the bottom of the posting. jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mw. Musamize, you will have noticed that this is the usual way Mulindwa acts when he is challenged about his wild allegations, which he normally has no inkling about. He starts yelling about something else that has completely no relevance to the issue at hand ! This is a sign of a liar or someone with low intelligence. He is now like a boxer who continually threatens his opponent with a beating but does nothing until the opponent knocks him out cold. Mulindwa, why don't you just give up - you are out cold. Kasangwawo From: musamize Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net To: ugandanet@kym.net Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka's Account-Monitor 23/5/2005 Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Mr. Mulindwa: Do not evade the question. You have stated, in print, and elsewhere that Obote sent money to support Kabaka Muteesa II after he tried and failed to kill him in the Lubiri. I asked you provide even a scintilla of evidence to or anyother proof to support your wild claims. You pretended not to notice my request. Now it turns out, that your hero actually did the opposite: he actually froze Muteesa's account. Moreover this is to appear in a UPC-friendly paper. The interesting thing would be to learn what Obote did with Muteesa's money and by what authority. Talk about thieves in high places! Another thing: Why do you have such a hard time with facts and how come you rarely -- if ever -- address questions you are asked directly? e.g. where in my one sentence note do you read any reference to deathrow, etc? Or are you just fascinated by demolishing strawmen that you erect? Now, here are some sources of bwino on the Late Muteesa's finances, which were declassified sometime ago by the British government. See if any of them can, even remotely, lend a picogram of credibility to your wild claims on how Obote used to send Muteesa money during the latter's exile: Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward Mutesa ex-Kabaka of Buganda, 1967 Jan 01-1967 Dec 31, Doc #FCO 31/179 Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward Mutesa ex-Kabaka of Buganda, 1968 Jan 01-1968 Dec 31, Doc #FCO 31/1074 etc, etc ps: might as well finish doing your homework for you: FCO refers to Foreign and Commonwealth Office. You could also wait to be rescued by tomorrow's Monitor. Edward Mulindwa wrote: Musamize Let us get out of this crap, you want me to post the details I will and you know it. The danger here is that you think I am on the opposite side, yet I am only posting facts. Was Obote the best president for Uganda? May be not. Was I arrested by Obote's government and ended up in exile to today? May be yes. But the point here is to state facts. Facts that we can not change. And when
Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005
Mr. Mulindwa, I'll be plain: either you provideproof that supports your claim that Obote sent moneyfor Muteesa's upkeepduring exile or we willconclude that you are nothing more thatan idleloudmouth full of little more than hot air.Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Musamize The answer to your number one question is a definitely yes, and it is very interesting that this issue is even being made an issue for those of us who were following issues about Muteesa's trying to overthrow Uganda government at the time, those of us who knew how he went to the Uganda British Embassy to ask for arms to attack an elected government, a request the British refused by the way, thought this was a public knowledge but as it stands seems to be not. Look here Musamize the moment you become a leader your affairs become public, for example at a time Museveni became a President his wife was a single mother in Sweden and on welfare. That we as well know. Ask the Ugandans in Sweden who follow the issues. As Baganda we just do not care to know what happened, by the way Uganda government even at a time knew how Mutesa left Uganda through a friendly nation West of Uganda and gave him a free passage for they wanted him to go if the governme nt wanted Mutesa arrested he would have been. Let me as well add that. Question two. Musamize you are an informed man this is 2005 get off your nice butt and do some research for this is a historical fact you need to know, let me not do your home work since I have mine to do. Question three. At the time Ugandans did not know about exile, even during Amin's government you will be amazed that no Ugandan had a foreign account that habit has been built by Museveni's era, so I can not debate what I do not know, until when you prove Mutesa had foreign accounts then I can take an issue with that. As far as I know Muteesa Loved Uganda and never knew he would leave the nation why would he again scoop money to be allocated abroad, unless you know those facts and you are informing us today as a Muganda. Question four. Obote has honestly survived on the good will of some very poor people who have tried their best to support him, and I think it is a good thing because he has lived on his good will. Musamize I was arrested by Obote's government and almost died in Makindye barracks, you have no idea how I ended up being a refugee but if you go in Ottawa citizen and Globe ad Mail of June 1984 achieves my story was a leading story for I was rescued by The Canadian embassy in Nairobi. So my case is a very public case, not some crap economical refugee, but at a time I had a point of death or alive situation, Margaret Thatcher's comments are as well in those papers about my life and exit out of Uganda, so I have no good words on that government. But the fact remains we need to state facts as they are. Ugandans love Obote we can not change that. And you as Musamize have a right to hate him but developing requires both of those people to accept each o ther, which you have a problem with. A man has said he is going home and millions are planning to receive him. What does that tell you? May be we should in our personal hate of Obote accept it and move on? The facts Musamize The facts are what we need to base on. Look doesn't it bother you that we are told that the last election of Obote two were rigged yet we do not know who won it 20 plus years now? And just how stupid are we? One must wonder!! Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: musamize To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005 Mr. Mulindwa, For a self-proclaimed "Critical Thinker", you spend a tremendous amout of time beating about the bush, all the time wishing and praying that the questions will magicallyevaporate. The questions on the table are: 1. Did Obote send money for Muteesa's upkeep during exile -- as you have claimed --or not? 2. If so, how much, when, and from whenceand with what authority? 3. And. what in the world did Obote do with the money in Muteesa's account in Uganda after he froze the account? Unless answer are forthcoming, and since we all know that Obote has never put in an honest day's work all the time he has been in exile,I'll assume thatObote has been actually eating on Muteesa's money all these years, otherwise how has he survived thus far and managed to live so high on the hog? ps: "I do not know" is an acceptable answer to each of those questions.Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a critical thinker does in a circumstance like this is to tell us how Muteesa survived in UK, I wish Kasangwawo can stop the ranting and tell us how Magulunyondo survived? Did Baganda send funds to
