Re: [uknof] Cheap transit, Meridian Gate

2015-09-17 Thread James Bensley
On 15 September 2015 at 00:41, David Reader wrote: > > On 14 Sep 2015, at 19:29, James Bensley wrote: >> 460k routes though, not far off! Enough to get peering I'd say. > Good luck getting a significant percentage of that… I agree that isn't easy although it's really case by

Re: [uknof] Openreach withdrawal of FTTC CPEs

2015-09-17 Thread Brian Candler
On 17/09/2015 10:19:46, James Bensley wrote: A common deployment is that we are using static IPs between CPE and exchange device, then the customer is running DHCP relay (it's configured on our CPE LAN interface) back to a central DHCP server somewhere else in their WAN.

Re: [uknof] Openreach withdrawal of FTTC CPEs

2015-09-17 Thread Robin Williams
On 17/09/15 10:01, James Bensley wrote: On 14 September 2015 at 22:55, Tom Hill wrote: On 14/09/15 13:32, Robin Williams wrote: I'm sure there's a sound technical reason, but again, it disadvantages smaller CPs disproportionately who may only have a few customers on

Re: [uknof] Openreach withdrawal of FTTC CPEs

2015-09-17 Thread James Bensley
On 14 September 2015 at 22:55, Tom Hill wrote: > On 14/09/15 13:32, Robin Williams wrote: >> I'm sure there's a sound technical reason, but again, it disadvantages >> smaller CPs disproportionately who may only have a few customers on each >> switch. > > I know if I were

Re: [uknof] Cheap transit, Meridian Gate

2015-09-17 Thread James Bensley
On 17 September 2015 at 10:04, Marty Strong wrote: > This is all however going on the assumption that when joining an IXP the ASNs > your traffic is destined to/from that the ISP in question or their upstream > is willing to peer with you on a settlement free basis.

Re: [uknof] Cheap transit, Meridian Gate

2015-09-17 Thread James Bensley
On 15 September 2015 at 06:44, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 14/Sep/15 19:42, Paul Thornton wrote: > >> >> >> You don't have the entire routing table @LINX yet :) > > And depending on your operation, transit could be cheaper than peering. And peering can be cheaper than

Re: [uknof] Cheap transit, Meridian Gate

2015-09-17 Thread Marty Strong
Precisely. On the LINX RSes I see approximately 76k routes, falls far short of the 460k figure that you’d need to peer with EVERYBODY to get :D Regards, Marty Strong -- CloudFlare - AS13335 Network Engineer ma...@cloudflare.com +65 9178 8502 SG +44 7584 906

[uknof] 10gb switch

2015-09-17 Thread Joseph Waite
Evening all. Apologies for being on topic, especially on a Thursday night at the end of a UKNOF meeting which sadly I was unable to attend. Looking for recommendations/suggestions for 10gig switch. Requirements are minimum 4 x 10gig fibre ports. Plus minimum 8 x 10gig, not fussed fiber or

Re: [uknof] Cheap transit, Meridian Gate

2015-09-17 Thread James Bensley
On 15 September 2015 at 09:37, Mark Stokes wrote: > On 14/09/2015 21:19, Joshua McQuistan wrote: >> On 14/09/15 15:16, Mark Stokes wrote: >>> Who needs cheap transit when peering clearly is the way to go. >> I agree but what happens when transit < transport + exchange? > > This is

Re: [uknof] 10gb switch

2015-09-17 Thread Tom Smyth
brocade vdx 6720 24 port sfp+ switches can be picked up second hand for around 1500 eur on ebay We are very happy with them although we are just usin simple layer 2 vlan featuresets...( no ospf bgp or mpls or sdn stuff) On 17 Sep 2015 18:51, "Joseph Waite" wrote: >

Re: [uknof] 10gb switch

2015-09-17 Thread Brian Candler
On 17/09/2015 18:50, Joseph Waite wrote: Looking for recommendations/suggestions for 10gig switch. Requirements are minimum 4 x 10gig fibre ports. Plus minimum 8 x 10gig, not fussed fiber or copper, rj45 or cx4 Only requirements on switch is lag group support & jumbo

Re: [uknof] 10gb switch

2015-09-17 Thread Paul Mansfield
engineer at $JOB has been buying Nuage (sp?) switches which he says are very cheap for 10G