On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 08:20:21PM -0800, Erik Garr?s wrote:
Why the improvement?: To be able to store music (not symbols) in a condensed
format into electronic media, so the players will "talk" what is written in
"muscial language" (like some software do speaking phrases in some
On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:41:33PM -0800, Erik Garr?s wrote:
The elements of the periodical table (chemistry) are missing, and they are
specially needed on chinesse because they don't have alphabet, so they need
them as a graphical representation.
Unicode (and most legacy character sets)
Erik Garrs wrote:
The elements of the periodical table (chemistry) are
missing, and they are specially needed on chinesse
because they don't have alphabet, so they need
them as a graphical representation.
Some of these characters are quite common in modern life (e.g., "oxygen" is
certainly
They appear to be all there, I checked the follwing:
K 9240
Ca 9223
Sc 9227
Ti 9226
V 91E9
Cr 927B
Mn 9333
Fe 9421
Co 9237
Michael
Ar 01:05 -0800 2001-01-24, scrobh Marco Cimarosti:
Some of these characters are quite common in modern life (e.g., "oxygen" is
certainly written somewhere in all Chinese hospitals), so it would surprise
me if they are not in Unicode.
There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write
This, I had inadvertently sent privately, when I meant
to send it to the list. This happens all the time, because
the Unicode list does not set the reply address con-
veniently (I hesitate to write "correctly", as that is
subject to debate).
--- Forwarded mail from Otto Stolz
Date: Tue, 23 Jan
Michael Everson wrote:
There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write
this with LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O and SUBSCRIPT TWO.
I think there is a misunderstanding, probably on my side.
In his Spanish version, Erik claimed that the chemical elements were missing
"en el contexto de los
Edward Cherlin wrote:
That leaves dialytika,
The same (in every respect) as Latin diaeresis.
prosgegrammeni,
A neologism (AFAIK) of the Unicode Standard: the small lowercase
iota used in place of hypogegrammeni (iota subscript) in titlecase
text. (In archaic text, which is all-uppercase by
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Talvez tengan trazos para el nombre de los elementos (ejemplo "Oxígeno",
"Oro", etc) pero estoy seguro que no tienen trazos para la nomenclatura de
los elementos, ellos usan los mismos que nosotros, "O" para Oxígeno, "Au"
para Oro, etc.
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There are two problems with IDS in Unicode 3.1:
1) The new unified ideographs U+2 to U+2A6D6 need to be added to the
formal grammar of IDSes. The new compatibility ideographs
U+2F800 to U+2FA1D should be explicitly excluded from IDSes.
This is editorial.
2) TUS 3.0 says (p. 271):
# An
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Erik Garrs wrote:
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Talvez tengan trazos para el nombre de los elementos (ejemplo "Oxgeno",
"Oro", etc) pero estoy seguro que no tienen trazos para la nomenclatura de
los elementos, ellos usan los mismos que nosotros, "O" para
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Pierpaolo BERNARDI wrote:
I have a chinese periodic table (in the back of my dictionary). In this
table, the chinese character for each element is displayed prominently,
while the occidental symbol is written in small type in an angle.
An addition: in the body of the
By "archaic text," I assume you mean when one wishes to represent the way
e.g. Pindar would have spelled (he would not have used the 24 letter
alphabet, anyway; a number of characters were added in the late 5th century,
the "classical" period that usually begins after the "archaic" period ends
in
As ussual: Version in english and spanish
Como acostumbro: Version en inglés y español
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Ahora que gracias a Pierpaolo BERNARDI que encontró un libro (diccionario)
en lo que se muestra lo que comentaba, cabe hacer otra pregunta, ¿sólo en
chino sucede esto, o
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Thomas Chan wrote:
Characters which are potentially missing include:
- Characters for elements with atomic numbers above 103 (in either
traditional or simplified forms, if applicable). These are recent,
and there have been multiple names for some of them,
On Wednesday, January 24, 2001, at 05:08 AM, Marco Cimarosti wrote:
So I understood that he was talking about the specialized ideographs
needed
to write the *names* of chemical elements in Chinese, and I was
explaining
that they are not missing, just buried somewhere in the huge CJK
On Wednesday, January 24, 2001, at 06:42 AM, John Cowan wrote:
Therefore, it would be useful to allow ZW(N)J in IDSes in order
to encourage or inhibit this ligaturing behavior. Adding
a rule
I'm going to disagree here. I've long maintained that ligature control
doesn't belong in plain
The Unicode case mapping in Mozilla implementation is pretty compact and
open source. The whole case mappint table only take 1.2 K of memory. Read
http://people.netscape.com/ftang/paper/unicode17/case/ for details.
Markus Scherer wrote:
ICU stores most UnicodeData.txt properties in its
[ iso-8859-1 ]
Erik Garrs escribo/wrote:
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slo en chino sucede esto, o es en todos los idiomas que utilizan trazos
(Tamil, Japons, etc), alfabeto cirlico (como el Ruso), alfabeto griego,
en todos los idiomas que no usan el alfabeto latino ?
Tamiz no utiliza trazos
Exactly: Tamil does not use strokes (it is not ideographic, is not built
from radicals) or a bar (like e.g. Devanagari does); or, as far as I can
remember, even ligatures. The characters are rounded (this is supposedly a
consequence of the original writing medium when the Tamil syllabary was
Kenneth Whistler wrote:
http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK Extension B, etc.)
No Han charts there yet for Extension B or CNS compatibility.
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John Jenkins wrote:
[B]ut in
any event the basic stance we've taken in the past has consistently been
that there is no expectation that IDSs will *ever* be rendered as single
glyphs.
That is not what the Unicode Standard 3.0 says. It says that an IDS
may be rendered either as a
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, John Cowan wrote:
Kenneth Whistler wrote:
http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK Extension B, etc.)
No Han charts there yet for Extension B or CNS compatibility.
Yes, seems that the new charts are only reachable throught the links in
TR-27.
Use:
CJK people usually write notations like H, O, O₂, CO₂, and so on and
at the same time, usually also write and speak names like 二酸化炭素 or
이산화탄소 if I remember correctly for instance for Carbon Dioxide instead of
speaking "Carbon Dioxide" unless you need to communicate with person
who speaks other
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
I cannot check now if these characters are included in Unicode as I don't
have TUS handy in this moment.
http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html (The Online Edition)
and
http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK
I cannot check now if these characters are included in Unicode as I don't
have TUS handy in this moment.
http://www.unicode.org/unicode/uni2book/u2.html (The Online Edition)
and
http://www.unicode.org/charts/draftunicode31/ (for CJK Extension B, etc.)
As noted, for now, go
Pierpaolo BERNARDI asked,
I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too?
Not yet. There are plans to do so as time permits.
Julie Allen
Editor, Unicode, Inc.
Kenneth Whistler wrote:
I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too?
No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom
software from the Unihan database. It was too much effort to try
to convert that software to produce a postable .pdf file, so the
Richard Cook wrote:
Kenneth Whistler wrote:
I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too?
No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom
software from the Unihan database. It was too much effort to try
to convert that software to produce a
It doesn't add any value to insert joiners. Just add the IDS itself to the
font table.
Mark
- Original Message -
From: "John Cowan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Unicode List" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 11:21
Subject: Re: Unicode 3.1: IDS and ZW(N)J
John Jenkins
Kenneth Whistler wrote:
I could not find the radical index. Has this been put online too?
No. The CJK radical index was generated and printed with custom
software from the Unihan database. It was too much effort to try
to convert that software to produce a postable .pdf
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no reason the Chinese or anyone else cannot write this [chemical
elements] with LATIN
CAPITAL LETTER O and SUBSCRIPT TWO.
If this is true, why was aproved the U+338E?
Note: U+338E is similar to "mg"
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