Re: Classical Greek on a Mac

2001-04-04 Thread Lukas Pietsch
David Perry wrote: I have a polytonic keyboard for Windows that I have created using Keyman, which is not available for the Mac. I'd be happy to share the documentation for this Would you be willing to share the Keyman keyboard itself? I just downloaded Keyman 5.0 after some people on this

Re: Classical Greek on a Mac

2001-04-04 Thread James Kass
Lukas Pietsch wrote: Would you be willing to share the Keyman keyboard itself? I just downloaded Keyman 5.0 after some people on this list told us what wonderful things it can do. But I have no keyboards as yet to go with it. There are four keyman keyboards available from Tavultesoft's

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread James Kass
11digitboy wrote: If they don't put it in this minute, there is something WRONG. It is a CURRENCY symbol, for Pete's sake! I mean, DOLLAR SIGN is not LATIN LETTER S WITH STROKE And it is *UNI*code Currency symbols should probably be encoded without delay, but is this really a

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: Like Doug, I am a little curious as to the decision on where the symbol would go... would you really want it in the presentation forms that are merely for backwards compatibility? I think there are two options for currency symbols: But

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh. You didn't tell us whether it goes to the left or to the right of the digits, did you? Is this needed in the proposal for the character itself? --roozbeh

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think you would want this symbol to be encoded in the Currency Symbols block (U+20A0 through U+20CF), not in the largely deprecated Arabic Presentation Forms-A block. No, I like it in the Arabic Presentation Forms, because it's only a

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, James Kass wrote: Currency symbols should probably be encoded without delay, but is this really a currency symbol? It appears to be the word "rial" written in Arabic. I agree. But we need it for round-trip compatiblity with the national character set. There is a

Displaying unicode.....

2001-04-04 Thread Dennis L. Goyette Sr.
What is the best "way" to display unicode charatcers on an intel platform running redhat Linux??? What environment variables (LANGUAGE, LC_ALLc, etc, etc ) need to be set, what routines should be used (gettext, iconv, etc, etc), what data type (unsigned short, wchar_t, etc, etc), and is

Re: Japanese characters don't display in the title of a page.

2001-04-04 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, James Kass wrote: The HTML title is displayed in the title bar of the browser. The font for Windows' title bars can be reset under the Control Panel. ( [Start] - [Settings] - [Control Panel] - [Display] - [Appearance] - "Item" and "Font" ) Japanese characters can

Re: Japanese display on Unix netscape ?

2001-04-04 Thread Jungshik Shin
Mon, 12 Mar 2001, Parvinder Singh(EHPT) wrote: Perhaps, you've already solved the problem. Just in case. I am able to see japanese characters in java applet on Netscape browser 4.7 on NT (while activating Richwin utility on my NT workstation ) but not using netscape 4.7 on Solaris ? My

RE: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Roozbeh Pournander wrote: You can find a proposal for encoding Iranian Rial sign in Unicode at: http://developer.sharif.edu/farsiweb/proposal/rial.html I have two minor points. First one is about the bidi category. I see that you suggest "AL" (Arabic Letter): Recommended

Re: Displaying unicode.....

2001-04-04 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
DG What is the best "way" to display unicode charatcers on an intel DG platform running redhat Linux??? This is an interesting question, and one that is currently the subject of much debate. One possible answer is that you need to use version 2.2 or later of the C library, version 4.0.3 or

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Mark Leisher
Michka You need to stop this sort of nonsense. NEVER has the UTC refused Michka to look at a proposal, but do you think that somehow procedure is Michka neglected merely because someone thinks it is an "obvious" point? I think you are totally over-reacting, Michael. You are reading

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Mark Leisher
James In an older book covering Iranian coinage one can find, in addition James to "rial", other monetary units like "dinar", "toman", "kran James (qiran)", etc. The letters forming any of these monetary unit James words might combine calligraphically to form unique and

RE: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Carl W. Brown
Roozbeh, It doesn't have any international use, because it may be mistaken by Saudi Arabic Rials or things like that. I am sorry to see that much of the Arabic support has left out Farsi Urdu support because of short sightedness. They could have planned ahead and gone the extra bit to add the

RE: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: But all other characters in general category "Sc" (Currency Symbol) have bidi category "ET" (European Number Terminator), so I would suggest to avoid this exception. This makes sense, because currency symbols are normally associated with numbers

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2001-04-04 3:42:20 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh. You didn't tell us whether it goes to the left or to the right of the digits, did you? Is this needed in the proposal for the character itself?

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Mark Leisher wrote: The explanation I was given was that words like "toman" are used more like "dollar" as opposed to "rial," which is used like "$" (i.e. they are "spelled out" in a sense). No. "Toman" is the unofficial name for "10 Rials". Although Rial is the official

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Peter_Constable
On 04/04/2001 06:06:45 AM unicode-bounce wrote: My own position in HCI (national governmental body responsible for IT standards) has been against asking for encoding it. But after I found that we cannot map a key to a sequence of characters in X, that changed. So, we have some broken

Putting unicode@unicode.org first (in the To:field)

2001-04-04 Thread Marion Gunn
Might I make one suggestion, to make life easier for recipients of msgs? (NB. Advice not for list owners, but for users.) If you wish to make [EMAIL PROTECTED] one recipient among several, would you mind making it the _first _ recipient? Not doing so had the effect of force-filing the attached

Re: Displaying unicode.....

2001-04-04 Thread Jungshik Shin
On 4 Apr 2001, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: DG What is the best "way" to display unicode charatcers on an intel DG platform running redhat Linux??? One possible answer is that you need to use version 2.2 or later of the C library, version 4.0.3 or later of the XFree86 libraries and fonts, and

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Peter_Constable
On 04/04/2001 09:34:25 AM unicode-bounce wrote: Michka You need to stop this sort of nonsense. NEVER has the UTC refused Michka to look at a proposal, but do you think that somehow procedure is Michka neglected merely because someone thinks it is an "obvious" point? I think you are

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Robert Brady
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: It won't be. It's nothing more than a rendering of word Rial, sometimes narrower to fit in one column in fixed-width fonts. It doesn't have any international use, because it may be mistaken by Saudi Arabic Rials or things like that. Well - the $

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:03:41AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given all those circumstances, maybe not. Would you propose that it have a canonical or compatibility decomposition? If so, I believe that would be problematic with respect to stability of normalization forms. The only thing

RE: Putting unicode@unicode.org first (in the To:field)

2001-04-04 Thread Carl W. Brown
Marion, I find that unless you have a recipient that is not on the Unicode mailing list it is best to clear all other recipients. 1) It save the person from receiving 2 messages that are duplicates. 2) More important, is that even if you list Unicode first, often the recipient will receive the

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, we have some broken technology. One way to fix it is to add a presentation form to Unicode. But isn't there another fix -- to build into X the ability to map a key to a sequence of characters (which surely would be useful in other situations)?

RE: OT obsolete symbols was: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Marco Cimarosti
D.V. Henkel-Wallace wrote: At 16:03 2001-04-04 +0200, Marco Cimarosti wrote: U+20A5 (MILL SIGN): which currency is so worthy to require a special symbol for 1/1000? And it is also true for many currency symbols in other blocks: U+00A4 (CURRENCY SIGN): who ever used

Re: Mac OSX + 17,500 Kanji

2001-04-04 Thread Jim DeLaHunt
Stephen: I have a few points to add to this thread. Most of your questions are about MacOS X and other OS's, which I can't really speak to, but I do know something about fonts. Apologies for the delay in replying. At 06:13 PM 3/16/2001 -0800, Stephen Cremin wrote: I didn't catch Steve Job's

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Michael Everson wrote: We are not adding characters to the presentation forms. It is likely that the answer to this proposal will be "please use one-to-many mapping". Would you please give me the reference? I once heard this, but after seeing a new proposal for "Arabic

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Michael Everson
At 23:27 +0430 2001-04-04, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Michael Everson wrote: We are not adding characters to the presentation forms. It is likely that the answer to this proposal will be "please use one-to-many mapping". Would you please give me the reference? The

Unicode savvy concordance software?

2001-04-04 Thread Nesbitt, Gavin
I'm curious if anyone on the list makes use of concordance software and if so whether there are any Unicode savvy programs that might be recommended? I've come across a program "WordSmith Tools" from Oxford University Press,

RE: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Nick NICHOLAS
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: U+20A3 (FRENCH FRANC SIGN), U+20A4 (LIRA SIGN), U+20A7 (PESETA SIGN), U+20AF (DRACHMA SIGN): will disappear next year with euro. Moreover, Franc and Lira are obsolete symbols ("FF" and "Lit" are now more common). The drachma sign too; I lived

RE: Putting unicode@unicode.org first (in the To:field)

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Carl W. Brown wrote: I find that unless you have a recipient that is not on the Unicode mailing list it is best to clear all other recipients. 1) It save the person from receiving 2 messages that are duplicates. But the person may have been using filters that assign

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Rick McGowan
Roozbeh asked... Would you please give me the reference? I once heard this, but after seeing a new proposal for "Arabic Tail Fragment" approved by UTC to be encoded in "Arabic Presentation Forms-B" block (SC2/WG2 document N2322), I thought I was wrong. That proposal and this follow-on

Re: Putting unicode@unicode.org first (in the To:field)

2001-04-04 Thread Tex Texin
All my unicode messages go to a folder which I read when I have time. Messages that include me on the header however go to my inbox so that I see them sooner. So deleting the header names will bury the messages. Personally, I don't think we should be tuning headers this much. There are no

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Rick McGowan wrote: If memory serves me, Unicode and 10646 were already well established at the time both this standard and the IBM standards containing "tail fragment" were created (one of the code pages shown in the proposal even has a Euro sign in it!). At least one

Re: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Rick McGowan
Roozebeh wrote... Oh, I just found it! It's also encoded as a character in the national standard ISIRI 2900, dated 1989 (which is a 7-bit character set standard). I will update the proposal. So you can be sure that you have not disobeyed the rules ;) Oh good! Nice bit of research...! This

RE: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Michael Everson
At 19:50 +0430 2001-04-04, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: I noted that, but the point is that it's not a unique sign for international use. It's only a compatiblity character, and it will be used only in "legacy" Persian texts that are converted from ISIRI 3342 (which has its own bidi, with only three

RE: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Michael Everson wrote: What's this mean? That in Word 200x, with full Persian support, you would not use a unitary code point for the rial sign, but instead you expect users only to type the four letters that make up the word? No. The keyboard mapper should generate

Unihan errors

2001-04-04 Thread Edward Cherlin
I have begun using the Unihan tables much more extensively recently. It troubles me that I keep stumbling over obvious errors and omissions in the tables, including errors carried over from version 2 to version 3. Can anyone tell me why U+4E00 has neither pronunciation nor definition given?

Re: Unihan errors

2001-04-04 Thread John Jenkins
On Wednesday, April 4, 2001, at 08:26 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: I have begun using the Unihan tables much more extensively recently. It troubles me that I keep stumbling over obvious errors and omissions in the tables, including errors carried over from version 2 to version 3. Can anyone

RE: Iranian Rial sign proposal

2001-04-04 Thread Michael Everson
At 06:09 +0430 2001-04-05, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: Then your solution is that your round-trip is achieved by a mapping table that maps one-to-many and many-to-one depending on direction. -- No. Such a mapping table does not respect the difference between the Rial sign and the string "Reh