Re: Latin w/ diacritics (was Re: benefits of unicode)

2001-04-20 Thread William Overington
In the early 1990s I did a small piece of research on devising a method of inputting text in the Esperanto language into a PC using an ordinary English keyboard. Some aspects of that research now appear to be relevant to the present discussion of implementing unicode 3.1 on older computer

RE: Byte Order Marks

2001-04-20 Thread Yves Arrouye
Then why is ICU mapping UTF-16 to UTF16_PlatformEndian and not UTF16_BigEndian? ICU does not do Unicode-signature or other encoding detection as part of a converter. When you get text from some protocol, you need to instantiate a converter according to what you know about the

XML encoding problem?

2001-04-20 Thread Ollikainen, Jari
Hi, Sorry to bother you all like this but I have this problem and I was wondering if any of you know how to store XML files into SQL database so that you can use as many languages as possible and also that those files are usable inside ASP pages but without using encoding UTF-8 or is that even

RE: Byte Order Marks

2001-04-20 Thread Yves Arrouye
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 06:24:47PM -0700, Markus Scherer wrote: On the other hand, if you get a file from your platform and it is in 16-bit Unicode, then you would appreciate the convenience of the auto-endian alias. But nothing should be spitting out platform-endian UTF-16! In the

RE: [OT]Gutenberg (was Re: Hacking the pyramids (Re: Latin w/ diacritics (was Re: benefits of unicode)))

2001-04-20 Thread Giles, Suzanne
Edward Cherlin wrote Two Babbage Difference Engines were built by other companies, with his blessing, but nobody has ever attempted an Analytical Engine to this day. But they did quote from the Science Museum "Analytical Engine Mill by Henry Prevost Babbage, 1910. Babbage bequeathed his

Egyptian Hieroglyphics (was Re: Latin w/ diacritics)

2001-04-20 Thread James Kass
Michael Everson wrote: (Mayan is on the Roadmap to Plane One, but it doesn't look as though there's been any detailed proposal yet.) I believe that structurally it will work as well as Egyptian. But No one has weighed in on my proposal for Egyptian so far, except for people complaining about

Re: XML encoding problem?

2001-04-20 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
UTF-8 is what you need to use for the Session.CodePage on the ASP side, and a Unicode text field (NTEXT, NCHAR, NVARCHAR) would have to be used on the MS SQL Server side. If you do this, then you should be able to get what you want. What is the specific reason that you would not want to use

Re: one question

2001-04-20 Thread Peter_Constable
Emil: where is the right-to-left space? Same place as the left-to-right space. The space character picks up its directionality from the surrounding text. (UAX#9 http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr9/ has all the gory details if you're interested.) - Peter

Re: one question

2001-04-20 Thread N.R.Liwal
Dear Emil Hersak, I have just tested what Mr. John Hudson said, Texted typed in Arabic Windows is displayed and printed correctly in the non-Arabic Windows 98, but I was not able to change the Font Size. Liwal - Original Message - From: John Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well this is just a

Re: Egyptian Hieroglyphics

2001-04-20 Thread Dean A. Snyder
on 4/20/01 6:39 AM, James Kass at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If nobody has complained about the proposed architecture... maybe it's because there's nothing to complain about. I am not an Egyptologist, but as one involved in Ancient Near Eastern studies (electronic projects include Initiative

Re: [OT]Gutenberg (was Re: Hacking the pyramids (Re: Latin w/ diacritics (was Re: benefits of unicode)))

2001-04-20 Thread J M Sykes
Two Babbage Difference Engines were built by other companies, with his blessing, but nobody has ever attempted an Analytical Engine to this day. Well, I've seen *something* in the (British) Science Museum, but whether it's complete, or works, I can't remember. It might be truer to say

ASCII adequacy (was: RE: benefits of unicode)

2001-04-20 Thread Ayers, Mike
From: David Starner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Which, to the extent which this is true (show me how you plan to handle The Art of Computer Programming or the Dragon book, for example), is equally true of upper case. Capitalizing sentences is redundant with punctuation, and any additional

Re: Egyptian Hieroglyphics

2001-04-20 Thread James Kass
Dean A. Snyder wrote of rumbles in the Egyptological community about the architecture of the Egyptian hieroglyphic proposal. It would be interesting to know what the objections are, but premature? The proposal was written in 1999 and no one has offered a different proposal, (AFAIK).

Re: Byte Order Marks

2001-04-20 Thread Markus Scherer
Yves, we are thinking about a general API for encoding detection that could initially just check for BOM/Unicode signatures. I believe we have a feature request for this already. Mark and I just brainstormed about what we may want an API look like. The reason for doing what ICU is doing

Re: Egyptian Hieroglyphics

2001-04-20 Thread Michael Everson
At 10:20 -0400 2001-04-20, Dean A. Snyder wrote: I believe that somebody HAS indeed "complained about the proposed architecture" for Hieroglyphic in Unicode. I have been told that there was an organized protest from within the Egyptological community against the proposal a few years ago as being

Re: ASCII adequacy (was: RE: benefits of unicode)

2001-04-20 Thread David Starner
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 11:31:10AM -0500, Ayers, Mike wrote: Errr - my point is: "If you attempt to promote Unicode by saying that it now enables adequate computing in English, you will not be well received." What's yours? Depends on who you're talking to and what you

RE: ASCII adequacy (was: RE: benefits of unicode)

2001-04-20 Thread jarkko . hietaniemi
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 11:31:10AM -0500, Ayers, Mike wrote: Errr - my point is: "If you attempt to promote Unicode by saying that it now enables adequate computing in English, you will not be well received." What's yours? Depends on who you're talking to and what

Re: Egyptian Hieroglyphics

2001-04-20 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 10:20 AM 4/20/01 -0400, Dean A. Snyder wrote: ... the Unicode Consortium should only entertain proposals to the standard after ACTIVELY seeking the input from the relevant (scholarly) communities - something which the ICE and UFU projects are doing for two cuneiform script systems. And, if it

Re: Egyptian Hieroglyphics

2001-04-20 Thread Dean A. Snyder
on 4/20/01 1:34 PM, Michael Everson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:20 -0400 2001-04-20, Dean A. Snyder wrote: They only complained about the repertoire being unready. Yes, to the tune of only 30% ready - that's the figure I recall from the Chicago meeting. That seems to me like saying

RE: ASCII adequacy (was: RE: benefits of unicode)

2001-04-20 Thread jarkko . hietaniemi
Perhaps I should have gone with C, but the point was your English-processing English-commented Perl programs are in ASCII. You sent out an ASCII email. If you were (?) English Heavens, no :-) Strictly speaking not even ISO 8859-1 would be enough for Finnish, I think 8859-15 is the first

Re: Egyptian Hieroglyphics

2001-04-20 Thread Rick McGowan
users who have the most interest vested in the encoding are the scholars themselves (and they are saying the state of the art prevents a useable encoding at the time) I don't think it's all scholars who have objected to the Egyptian proposal. But this is a case where there appears to be no

Re: ASCII adequacy (was: RE: benefits of unicode)

2001-04-20 Thread David Starner
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:43:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heavens, no :-) Strictly speaking not even ISO 8859-1 would be enough for Finnish, I think 8859-15 is the first set that covers all the required characters. (But 8859-1 is enough for everyday use.) all your files would

RE: ASCII adequacy (was: RE: benefits of unicode)

2001-04-20 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 03:50 PM 4/20/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I say 0 and 1 are adequate. I find this discussion rather pointless since we all already know that ASCII is adequate if the given premise is that ASCII is adequate. I don't see what's there to discuss. We are just trying to see if tautologies

RE: ASCII adequacy (was: RE: benefits of unicode)

2001-04-20 Thread jarkko . hietaniemi
Also, you're part of the problem. "8859-1 is enough for everyday use." Yes, and rather proud of it, in the same way as opposition is the way to healthy democracy. Also, we are not the guilty ones, we use what's given to us, I would say the guilty ones are the "adequate" designers of the