RE: Unibook

2002-07-10 Thread Miikka-Markus Alhonen
On 10-Jul-02 Altug B. Altintas wrote: Hi, My question is about exporting ISO tables as gif or jpeg format. For example how can i export or find ISO-8859-9 table as gif or jpeg like in unibook . http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html Best regards, Miikka-Markus Alhonen

Unibook

2002-07-10 Thread Altug B. Altintas
Hi, My question is about exporting ISO tables as gif or jpeg format. For example how can i export or find ISO-8859-9 table as gif or jpeg like in unibook . Regards Altug.

Long S (was: How do I encode HTML documents in old languagesuch as 17th century Swedih in Unicode?)

2002-07-10 Thread Otto Stolz
John H. Jenkins had written: Aargh! Medial long-s! Run away! Run away! :-) Stefan Persſon wrote: Why ſhould I not uſe old characters that already were out-of-uſe centuries ago? ;-) Juſt for the record: it's not centuries, but half a century: ſ was in uſe, on a regular baſis, in

Storing Unicode in Access 2000 / JET 4.0 table

2002-07-10 Thread Bob Leschorn
Hi, I am trying to save Unicode text into an Access database (JET 4.0) by using ADO (C++ Builder 5 + ADO Express) but it seems that the underlying code converts the Unicode to codepage text and Access converts this back to Unicode which plays havoc with Greek and Russian. Tried using the

Common input methods for IPA

2002-07-10 Thread Marc Wilhelm Küster
Hi! In this brave new world of wonderful input methods, what is the current state of affairs for keyboard-based input methods for characters from the IPA block? Is there any de facto standard for this and, for that matter, for an IPA keyboard layout? This specifically for input methods for

Q: Filesystem Encoding

2002-07-10 Thread Shlomi Tal
Hello Unicoders, I have a question about filesystems. I never use anything but ASCII characters in filenames, and I would like to know if it is still justified. Of the various filesystems in use, I know only that the Joliet CDFS uses UCS-2BE. What about FAT16, FAT32, NTFS and Linux Ext2? In

RE: There was this thing called Unicode...

2002-07-10 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Stefan Persson wrote: Why doesn't someone create a different mailing list for discussing the ConScript registry instead? Or a general nonsense mailing list? Your second idea is not bad: a sort of lavatory, where people can go when they feel the need of 17th century web pages or Aisle Bdellium

Re: Q: Filesystem Encoding

2002-07-10 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Shlomi Tal wrote: Hello Unicoders, I have a question about filesystems. I never use anything but ASCII characters in filenames, and I would like to know if it is still justified. Of the various filesystems in use, I know only that the Joliet CDFS uses UCS-2BE. What

Re: Common input methods for IPA

2002-07-10 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:45 +0200 2002-07-10, Marc Wilhelm Küster wrote: In this brave new world of wonderful input methods, what is the current state of affairs for keyboard-based input methods for characters from the IPA block? Nothing standard exists, but a lot of de facto input methods are similar, so

Re: Q: Filesystem Encoding

2002-07-10 Thread Barry Caplan
At 08:43 AM 7/10/2002 -0400, Jungshik Shin wrote: In short: should I still stick to ASCII alone in filenames, or are there filesystems where I really don't have to anymore? Thanks in advance. Definitely/unconditionally no for NTFS. As for Linux ext2(and most other Unix fs'), unless you mix

Variant selectors in Mongolian

2002-07-10 Thread Martin Heijdra
A few years ago I asked about the way variant selectors are supposed to work with Mongolian. In Unicode 3.2 there is an general explanation of variant selectors, with a table of Mongolian variants. I must confess they left me confused: it seems to me that the general explanation would point to

Re: Filesystem Encoding

2002-07-10 Thread Doug Ewell
Shlomi Tal shlompi at hotmail dot com wrote: In short: should I still stick to ASCII alone in filenames, or are there filesystems where I really don't have to anymore? Thanks in advance. Not sure if this is relevant to your specific case, bit I still use the command prompt (MS-DOS Prompt) a

Re: Common input methods for IPA

2002-07-10 Thread Doug Ewell
Marc Wilhelm Küster kuester at saphor dot net wrote: In this brave new world of wonderful input methods, what is the current state of affairs for keyboard-based input methods for characters from the IPA block? Is there any de facto standard for this and, for that matter, for an IPA keyboard

Re: Codes for codes for codes for... (RE: Chromatic font research)

2002-07-10 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Marco Cimarosti wrote: Encoding the navy's flag alphabet or the Morse code would be exactly doing this: assigning a code to a code which represents a letter. BTW, which characters should be used to encode the dot and dash of Morse in a typographically correct way?

Re: *Why* are precomposed characters required for backwardcompatibility?

2002-07-10 Thread James E. Agenbroad
On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Kenneth Whistler wrote: David Hopwood wrote: Marco Cimarosti wrote: The only difficulty would have been if a pre-existing standard had supported both precomposed and decomposed encodings of the same combining mark. I don't

Re: Codes for codes for codes for... (RE: Chromatic font research)

2002-07-10 Thread Michael Everson
At 20:18 +0430 2002-07-10, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Marco Cimarosti wrote: Encoding the navy's flag alphabet or the Morse code would be exactly doing this: assigning a code to a code which represents a letter. BTW, which characters should be used to encode the dot and

Re: Q: Filesystem Encoding

2002-07-10 Thread Frank da Cruz
Barry Caplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But be aware that such filenames may or may not be able to be transferred *across* file systems. Not only that, but, although I haven't tested in detail for a while, I would not be fully comfortable with middleware that is responsible for managing file

Re: *Why* are precomposed characters required for backward

2002-07-10 Thread John Cowan
James E. Agenbroad scripsit: ISO 5426 - 1980, Extension of the Latin alphabet coded character set for bibliographic interchange, and its similar US counterpart, ANSI Z39.64, Extended Latin alphabet coded character set for bibliographic use (ANSEL), do contain both separate codes for

Re: UniCharacter (Re: Codes for codes for codes for... (RE: Chromaticfont research))

2002-07-10 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On 28 Jun 2002, James H. Cloos Jr. wrote: How about a 2k x 2k grid filled with coloured curves, rather than a bitmap. There could even be a fancy programming language to make sure things look right on any display What about calling this METAFONT, and make it a meta-language for

Re: Q: Filesystem Encoding

2002-07-10 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Barry Caplan wrote: At 08:43 AM 7/10/2002 -0400, Jungshik Shin wrote: In short: should I still stick to ASCII alone in filenames, or are there filesystems where I really don't have to anymore? Thanks in advance. Definitely/unconditionally no for NTFS. As for Linux

Re: Codes for codes for codes for... (RE: Chromatic font research)

2002-07-10 Thread James E. Agenbroad
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Marco Cimarosti wrote: Encoding the navy's flag alphabet or the Morse code would be exactly doing this: assigning a code to a code which represents a letter. BTW, which characters should be used to encode the dot and

Re: *Why* are precomposed characters required for backward

2002-07-10 Thread John Cowan
James E. Agenbroad scripsit: The standards I cited use both techniques (precomposed and decomposed letter+diacritic) but they don't allow two ways of creating a single letter+diacritic combination the way ISO10646/Unicode do. Even Unicode doesn't go so far as to decompose WITH

Re: Common input methods for IPA

2002-07-10 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Hi Marc Wilhelm, In this brave new world of wonderful input methods, what is the current state of affairs for keyboard-based input methods for characters from the IPA block? Is there any de facto standard for this and, for that matter, for an IPA keyboard layout? I'm not aware of a standard

Re: *Why* are precomposed characters required for backward

2002-07-10 Thread James E. Agenbroad
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, John Cowan wrote: James E. Agenbroad scripsit: The standards I cited use both techniques (precomposed and decomposed letter+diacritic) but they don't allow two ways of creating a single letter+diacritic combination the way ISO10646/Unicode do. Even

Re: Common input methods for IPA

2002-07-10 Thread David Starner
At 08:32 AM 7/10/02 -0700, Doug Ewell wrote: I wanted to do an IPA keyboard for SC UniPad. Is one big Unicode keyboard the best solution for IPA? Most IPA users only use a small subset - that which is needed for their languages. Why not remap your personal keyboard to that? I've personally

Re: Filesystem Encoding

2002-07-10 Thread Markus Scherer
Doug Ewell wrote: Not sure if this is relevant to your specific case, bit I still use the command prompt (MS-DOS Prompt) a lot ... Interesting. I just tried the following: Windows 2000. New text document with Notepad, arbitrary contents. Save as AC06 0436.txt (Hangul letter + Cyrillic

Re: Variant selectors in Mongolian

2002-07-10 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Martin Heijdra asked: The statement For example, in languages employing the Mongolian script, sometimes a specific variant range of glyphs is needed for a specific textual purpose for which the range of generic glyphs is considered inappropriate could be taken to mean this solution.

Re: Definition of character: Exegesis of SC2 nomenclature

2002-07-10 Thread Martin Kochanski
At 16:16 09/07/02 -0700, Kenneth Whistler wrote: The *reason* why SC2 chose such a strange and seemingly open-ended definition was *not* to invite arbitrarily strange collections of data control elements to be encoded as characters, but rather an attempt, in a procrustean way, to get the

Re: Variant selectors in Mongolian

2002-07-10 Thread John Hudson
At 16:47 10/07/2002, Kenneth Whistler wrote: Mongolian variants *are* very confusing, and I'm not sure what the best way to describe them is. Part of the problem is that there is still some tension in the UTC regarding just how to define the affect of the variation selectors. Position A: A

Re: Definition of character: Exegesis of SC2 nomenclature

2002-07-10 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Martin Kochanski waxed exuberantly: I mention this because Unicode is the opposite of Procrustean. There is no finer antidote to gloom and cynicism than leafing through the Unicode Standard. In what other computing book could you find a phrase such as In good Latvian typography? Or:

Re: Variant selectors in Mongolian

2002-07-10 Thread Kenneth Whistler
John Hudson wrote: Mongolian variants *are* very confusing, and I'm not sure what the best way to describe them is. Part of the problem is that there is still some tension in the UTC regarding just how to define the affect of the variation selectors. Position A: A variation selector

Re: Variant selectors in Mongolian

2002-07-10 Thread John Hudson
At 17:44 10/07/2002, Kenneth Whistler wrote: Actually, I think Position B is a coherent one for Mongolian. The outcome *is* specified -- it is just specified for particular positional contexts, rather than for a single glyph per se. X - {G1, G2, G3, G4}, where Gn is determined by positional (or

Strange resemblances and weird sisters

2002-07-10 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Then there is the oft-cited Character Most Resembling a Line Break: MALAYALAM LETTER UU (U+0D0A) Then in Extension B there are many, many weird and wonderful candidates for strangest CJK characters. Some of my personal favorites include: U+26B99 U+20137 U+20572 U+2069C U+2696E With such

Re: Common input methods for IPA

2002-07-10 Thread Doug Ewell
David Starner starner at okstate dot edu wrote: Is one big Unicode keyboard the best solution for IPA? Most IPA users only use a small subset - that which is needed for their languages. Why not remap your personal keyboard to that? I've personally remapped my notepad to the German/English

Re: Proposal: Ligatures w/ ZWJ in OpenType

2002-07-10 Thread James Kass
John Hudson wrote, On the whole, Paul, I share your concerns about the creeping advance of quasi-typographic layout elements in what is ostensibly a plain text encoding standard. I do feel, however, that we can afford, within the existing OpenType Layout structure and without inventing new

Re: Phaistos in ConScript

2002-07-10 Thread James Kass
Michael Everson wrote (in reply to Marco Cimarosti), IMHO, the two characters in points 1 and 2 absolutely needed. Academic works which consider them as part of the script could not be encoded without them, while academic works which don't need them are not disturbed by their existence in

Re: Keyboard entry on PCs

2002-07-10 Thread James Kass
Doug Ewell wrote, You could do this with Keyman, or alternatively there are programs that let you define native Windows keyboards (e.g. Janko's Keyboard Generator). I have no idea how good such programs are, as I have not used them. There are several alternate programs. Having tried a

Re: Definition of character: Exegesis of SC2 nomenclature

2002-07-10 Thread Doug Ewell
Martin Kochanski unicode at cardbox dot net wrote: Next time you want to add some noise to the signal, have a poll for Funniest Cartoon Character (the runner at U+006F U+0F79), Warmest Character (togetherness U+1024), Most Needed Character (all computer users need U+02AD), and Character Most