Peter Kirk scripsit:
But I think the best thing to do is to drop *all* Hebrew
combining marks; the result of this is valid unpointed Hebrew.
I agree.
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Asmus Freytag scripsit:
John, you proposed the initial set. Do you have any suggestion here?
My original submission had only the single-character mappings, not the
character pair mappings, which are just the result of decomposing the
precomposed set and don't IMHO make much sense: they are too
http://www.livejournal.com/users/gwalla/39856.html is a page about
(and a link to) a truly excellent Windows keyboard driver that
provides full access to the Latin-1 range but is completely compatible
with the US-ASCII keyboard except for AltGr (the right Alt key).
All non-ASCII characters and
At 11:15 PM 7/17/2004, John Cowan wrote:
I agree that in the TR#30 context, the Right Thing is to remove the
character pair mappings altogether, and all of the single-character
mappings that have canonical decompositions
In other words, in your opinion, the reasonable thing to do would be for
At 11:17 PM 7/17/2004, John Cowan wrote:
Peter Kirk scripsit:
But I think the best thing to do is to drop *all* Hebrew
combining marks; the result of this is valid unpointed Hebrew.
I agree.
OK, in my last message I was cofused, this was Peter's suggestion and Jony
had seconded it.
I take it
W licie z sob, 17-07-2004, godz. 16:46 -0700, Asmus Freytag napisa:
I wonder whether that's truly intended, or whether it could be replaced
by a combination of
AccentFolding
OtherDiacriticFolding
where AccentFolding removes *all* nonspacing marks following Latin, Greek
or Cyrillic
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...
Jony is arguing to
Jowh Cowan writes
http://www.livejournal.com/users/gwalla/39856.html is a page about
(and a link to) a truly excellent Windows keyboard driver that
provides full access to the Latin-1 range
Latin-1 is not everything! If you need to transcribe
Arabic/Hebrew/Sanskrit/Farsi, you will need the
At 13:00 +0300 2004-07-18, Jony Rosenne wrote:
Jony is arguing to extend AccentFolding to Hebrew (fold to
unpointed). His
suggestion is to fold *all* combining marks used with Hebrew
in that case.
I want to double check that he really means all combining
marks in the
Hebrew block, or just
On 18/07/2004 08:52, Asmus Freytag wrote:
At 11:15 PM 7/17/2004, John Cowan wrote:
I agree that in the TR#30 context, the Right Thing is to remove the
character pair mappings altogether, and all of the single-character
mappings that have canonical decompositions
In other words, in your opinion,
On 18/07/2004 08:56, Asmus Freytag wrote:
At 11:17 PM 7/17/2004, John Cowan wrote:
Peter Kirk scripsit:
But I think the best thing to do is to drop *all* Hebrew
combining marks; the result of this is valid unpointed Hebrew.
I agree.
OK, in my last message I was cofused, this was Peter's
Raymond Mercier scripsit:
Jowh Cowan writes
Jowh?
Latin-1 is not everything! If you need to transcribe
Arabic/Hebrew/Sanskrit/Farsi, you will need the macrons on vowels (Latin
Extended-A) and various dot-under letters (Latin Extended Additional). I
made my own layout using the DDK.
No, it
Thanks for this info. I've been used to thinking in terms of deadkeys or
Alt(Gr)- combos as alternative approaches, each with different advantages. For
me using an Alt(Gr)- combo as a deadkey seems to defeat the advantage of having
an AltGr key: In non-English European language keyboard layouts of
From: John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.livejournal.com/users/gwalla/39856.html is a page about
(and a link to) a truly excellent Windows keyboard driver that
provides full access to the Latin-1 range but is completely compatible
with the US-ASCII keyboard except for AltGr (the right
On 18/07/2004 12:51, Michael Everson wrote:
At 13:00 +0300 2004-07-18, Jony Rosenne wrote:
Jony is arguing to extend AccentFolding to Hebrew (fold to
unpointed). His
suggestion is to fold *all* combining marks used with Hebrew
in that case.
I want to double check that he really means all
Donald Z. Osborn [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 18.07.04 17:17:49:
Thanks for this info. I've been used to thinking in terms of deadkeys or
Alt(Gr)- combos as alternative approaches, each with different advantages. For
me using an Alt(Gr)- combo as a deadkey seems to defeat the advantage of
Hello,
(delayed response)
2004-05-12T19:37:51+03:00 Ernest Cline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Alexander Savenkov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2004-05-12T03:08:59+03:00 Eric Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
According to www.eki.ee, there is a currently an effort to convert the
writing of Tatar
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Subject: RE: Folding algorithm and canonical equivalence
At 13:00 +0300 2004-07-18, Jony Rosenne wrote:
Jony is
At 20:43 +0300 2004-07-18, Jony Rosenne wrote:
In the Hebrew language, perhaps. But in other languages, like
Yiddish, which use the Hebrew script, at least some points are NOT
optional, and dropping them causes textual corruption and loss of
data.
Dropping them always causes loss of data.
On 2004.07.18, 15:44, Donald Z. Osborn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AltGr key: In non-English European language keyboard layouts of
course it permits access to accented characters without use of
deadkeys.
The one non-English European language keyboard layout I'm using right
now (pt-PT), AltGr
At 05:28 AM 7/18/2004, Peter Kirk wrote:
I can see that there might be cases when the Hebrew folding should be
invoked without other scripts being affected. But I think that anyone
applying a general accent or diacritic folding would expect this to
include all Hebrew (and Arabic, Syriac etc)
At 05:25 AM 7/18/2004, Peter Kirk wrote:
I accept that there might be some script-specific cases in which
particular accents should not be removed. The breve in Cyrillic i kratkoe
might be an example; but then this might be rather too language-specific
as well. But these should be clearly
On 18/07/2004 16:22, Alexander Savenkov wrote:
Hello,
(delayed response)
2004-05-12T19:37:51+03:00 Ernest Cline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Alexander Savenkov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2004-05-12T03:08:59+03:00 Eric Muller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
According to www.eki.ee, there is a
On 18/07/2004 22:15, Asmus Freytag wrote:
At 05:25 AM 7/18/2004, Peter Kirk wrote:
I accept that there might be some script-specific cases in which
particular accents should not be removed. The breve in Cyrillic i
kratkoe might be an example; but then this might be rather too
language-specific
Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
5) This is an alphabet which has been used, even in official websites,
and very likely continues to be used by some. Decisions made in Moscow
do not change this, especially because they are in practice widely
ignored in Tatarstan and have no force in some
Peter Kirk scripsit:
Anyway, is Yiddish in fact never written completely unpointed? That
would surprise me.
It might have happened at some point, but the standard (YIVO) Yiddish
orthography would become illegible if points were stripped.
--
Principles. You can't say A is John Cowan
Asmus Freytag scripsit:
There are two options for a starting set:
select all 'accents' (note, not baseforms) that occur in some
precomposed character. And then add additional ones on a case by case
basis (e.g. stroke overlay).
Or, start with all gc=Mn from the 0300 and 1DC0 blocks (the
Jony Rosenne wrote:
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Jony is
By this logic, I cannot see why you lump Latin/Greek/Cyrillic together.
I think there should be a single diacritics removal folding, which should be
tailorable.
Jony
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