RE: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Erkki I Kolehmainen
In line with what was decided for the EURO SIGN (20AC) vs. the EURO-CURRENCY SIGN (20A0), I find it difficult to agree with Michael on the speculative question of any possibly emerging new Greek currency. Sincerely, Erkki -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: unicode-bou...@unicode.org

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Andreas Stötzner
Am 22.05.2012 um 00:22 schrieb Michael Everson: If Greece ceases to use the euro and uses the drachma instead, and if they create any kind of symbol for it, I think whatever glyph is devised will be applied to the existing character. This is exactly what should be done with the Turkish

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Andreas Stötzner a...@signographie.de wrote: Am 22.05.2012 um 00:22 schrieb Michael Everson: If Greece ceases to use the euro and uses the drachma instead, and if they create any kind of symbol for it, I think whatever glyph is devised will be applied to the

Re: CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-22 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:07:33 -0700 Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: In principle, it's straightforward: Lowercase and uppercase follow Unicode (UCD) case properties. We distinguish an intermediate mixed case for titlecase characters and mixed-case contractions. I believe we also

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Michael Everson
On 22 May 2012, at 01:47, Doug Ewell wrote: I think Peter was talking about the Turkish lira sign, not the Greek drachma sign. My mistake. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Michael Everson
On 22 May 2012, at 06:51, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote: In line with what was decided for the EURO SIGN (20AC) vs. the EURO-CURRENCY SIGN (20A0), I find it difficult to agree with Michael on the speculative question of any possibly emerging new Greek currency. The ECU was not really the same

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Michael Everson
On 22 May 2012, at 06:13, Asmus Freytag wrote: Before this discussion deep ends. There is an early precedent, going back to the Euro sign, of Unicode adding a new character instead of repurposing any existing character that may seem to be unused. The principle there is, that until a

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Michael Everson
On 22 May 2012, at 08:11, Andreas Stötzner wrote: Am 22.05.2012 um 00:22 schrieb Michael Everson: If Greece ceases to use the euro and uses the drachma instead, and if they create any kind of symbol for it, I think whatever glyph is devised will be applied to the existing character. This

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Szelp, A. Sz.
I always wondered about the strange Drachma glyph in the standard: a Latin script D connected to a greek rho. What you identify as a Latin script D is probably also a Greek script D. cf. also the Cyrillic script D, which coincides with the Latin, even though the roman (and even printed

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Andreas Prilop
On Sun, 20 May 2012, Michael Everson wrote: - kh with *continuous* underline (romanization of U+0959) ? No. Whose romanization is that? http://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/hindi.pdf http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stone-catend/trimain3.htm

Re: CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-22 Thread Markus Scherer
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:07:33 -0700 Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: In principle, it's straightforward: Lowercase and uppercase follow Unicode (UCD) case properties. We distinguish an

RE: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Peter Constable
From: Shriramana Sharma [mailto:samj...@gmail.com] Any reason why the glyph of the current existing character 20A4 ₤ LIRA SIGN could not have been changed instead? The glyph is similar to that of 00A3 £ POUND SIGN, and 20A4 was *anyway* not used in favour of 00A3... In addition to Asmus'

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/22/2012 2:22 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 22 May 2012, at 06:51, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote: In line with what was decided for the EURO SIGN (20AC) vs. the EURO-CURRENCY SIGN (20A0), I find it difficult to agree with Michael on the speculative question of any possibly emerging new Greek

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/22/2012 2:22 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 22 May 2012, at 06:13, Asmus Freytag wrote: Before this discussion deep ends. There is an early precedent, going back to the Euro sign, of Unicode adding a new character instead of repurposing any existing character that may seem to be unused.

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/22/2012 2:23 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 22 May 2012, at 08:11, Andreas Stötzner wrote: Am 22.05.2012 um 00:22 schrieb Michael Everson: If Greece ceases to use the euro and uses the drachma instead, and if they create any kind of symbol for it, I think whatever glyph is devised will be

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
This came out of an offline discussion, but I answered this in some detail and think it's useful to have this associated with the discussion on the list. A./ On 5/22/2012 12:40 AM, Andreas Stötzner wrote: Am 22.05.2012 um 07:13 schrieb Asmus Freytag: There is an early precedent, going

Re: CaseFirst and CaseLevel Tailorings of UCA and LDML

2012-05-22 Thread Richard Wordingham
On Tue, 22 May 2012 08:33:43 -0700 Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Richard Wordingham richard.wording...@ntlworld.com wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2012 17:07:33 -0700 Markus Scherer markus@gmail.com wrote: I can dig up the ICU code that

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Andreas Stötzner
Am 22.05.2012 um 22:36 schrieb Asmus Freytag: This came out of an offline discussion, but I answered this in some detail and think it's useful to have this associated with the discussion on the list. A./ – it should have gone to the list, my fault –. On 5/22/2012 12:40 AM, Andreas

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Benjamin M Scarborough
On May 22, 2012, at 08:18, Shriramana Sharma wrote: Any reason why the glyph of the current existing character 20A4 ₤ LIRA SIGN could not have been changed instead? The glyph is similar to that of 00A3 £ POUND SIGN, and 20A4 was *anyway* not used in favour of 00A3, so it's not as if any other

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Shriramana Sharma
Sent from my Android phone On May 23, 2012 4:02 AM, Andreas Stötzner a...@signographie.de wrote: For the ₤ we can define EXACTLY what it is: a scriptive capital Latin L with a double crossbar, in this very combination standing in for the term “Lira” (derived from Latin “libra”), meaning a

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 5/22/2012 4:10 PM, Benjamin M Scarborough wrote: (Personally, I don't understand the current hubbub about inventing new currency signs, but whatever.) —Ben Scarborough Currency symbol envy, pure and simple. The Euro started it - it was intended to challenge pound and dollar, that was

Re: Unicode 6.2 to Support the Turkish Lira Sign

2012-05-22 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
How about using U+3082? ? ? ~mark