Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

On 5/28/2018 6:30 AM, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: Unifying these would make a real mess of lower casing! German has a special sign ß for "ss", without upper capital version. You may want to retract the second part of that

Re: Why is TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA (pulli) not Alphabetic?

On 5/28/2018 9:44 PM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: One of the general principles is that combining marks inherit the property of their base character. Normally, "inherited" should be the only property value for combining marks. There have been some deviations from this over the

Re: Why is TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA (pulli) not Alphabetic?

On 5/28/2018 9:23 PM, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote: Hello Sundar, On 2018/05/28 04:27, SundaraRaman R via Unicode wrote: Hi, In languages like Ruby or Java (https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/Character.html#isAlphabetic(int)), functions to check if a character is

Re: Why is TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA (pulli) not Alphabetic?

One of the general principles is that combining marks inherit the property of their base character. Normally, "inherited" should be the only property value for combining marks. There have been some deviations from this over the years, for various reasons, and there are some properties (such

Re: Unicode characters unification

In the discussion leading up to this it has been implied that Unicode encodes / should encode concepts or pure shape. And there's been some confusion as to were concerns about sorting or legacy encodings fit in. Time to step back a bit: Primarily the Unicode Standard encodes by character

Re: Why is TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA (pulli) not Alphabetic?

Hello Sundar, On 2018/05/28 04:27, SundaraRaman R via Unicode wrote: Hi, In languages like Ruby or Java (https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/Character.html#isAlphabetic(int)), functions to check if a character is alphabetic do that by looking for the 'Alphabetic' property

Re: Unicode characters unification

On Mon, 28 May 2018 21:14:58 +0200 Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: > > On 28 May 2018, at 21:01, Richard Wordingham via Unicode > > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 May 2018 20:19:09 +0200 > > Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: > > > >> Indistinguishable math styles Latin and Greek uppercase letters >

Re: Why is TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA (pulli) not Alphabetic?

SundaraRaman R wrote: but the very common pulli (VIRAMA) is neither in Lo nor has 'Other_Alphabetic', and so leads to concluding any string containing it to be non-alphabetic. Is this definition part of Unicode? I thought the use of General Category to answer questions like "this sequence is

Re: Unicode characters unification

> On 28 May 2018, at 21:38, Richard Wordingham > wrote: > > On Mon, 28 May 2018 21:14:58 +0200 > Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: > >>> On 28 May 2018, at 21:01, Richard Wordingham via Unicode >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 28 May 2018 20:19:09 +0200 >>> Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: >>>

Re: Unicode characters unification

> On 28 May 2018, at 21:01, Richard Wordingham via Unicode > wrote: > > On Mon, 28 May 2018 20:19:09 +0200 > Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: > >> Indistinguishable math styles Latin and Greek uppercase letters have >> been added, even though that was not so in for example TeX, and thus >> no

Re: Unicode characters unification

> On 28 May 2018, at 19:18, Richard Wordingham via Unicode > wrote: > > On Mon, 28 May 2018 17:54:47 +0200 > Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: > >>> On 28 May 2018, at 17:00, Richard Wordingham via Unicode >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, 28 May 2018 15:30:55 +0200 >>> Hans Åberg via Unicode

Re: Why is TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA (pulli) not Alphabetic?

On Mon, 28 May 2018 20:03:11 +0530 SundaraRaman R via Unicode wrote: > Hi, thanks for your reply. > > > There is only one character with a canonical combining class of 9 > > that is included as other_alphabetic, namely U+0E3A THAI CHARACTER > > PHINTHU. That last had any of

Re: Unicode characters unification

> On 28 May 2018, at 17:00, Richard Wordingham via Unicode > wrote: > > On Mon, 28 May 2018 15:30:55 +0200 > Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: > >>> On 28 May 2018, at 15:10, Richard Wordingham via Unicode >>> wrote: >>> >>> On

Re: Why is TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA (pulli) not Alphabetic?

Hi, thanks for your reply. > There is only one character with a canonical combining class of 9 that > is included as other_alphabetic, namely U+0E3A THAI CHARACTER PHINTHU. > That last had any of the other properties of viramas back in Unicode > 1.0; the characters that triggered such behaviours

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

On Mon, 28 May 2018 10:08:30 +0200 Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: > > On 28 May 2018, at 03:39, Garth Wallace wrote: > > The fact that they do not denote the same width in cents in Arabic > > music as they do in Western modern classical does not matter.

Re: Why is TAMIL SIGN VIRAMA (pulli) not Alphabetic?

On Mon, 28 May 2018 00:57:03 +0530 SundaraRaman R via Unicode wrote: > Hi, > > In languages like Ruby or Java > (https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/Character.html#isAlphabetic(int)), > functions to check if a character is alphabetic do that by looking for >

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

> On 28 May 2018, at 11:05, Julian Bradfield via Unicode > wrote: > > On 2018-05-28, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: >>> On 28 May 2018, at 03:39, Garth Wallace wrote: On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Hans Åberg

Re: preliminary proposal: New Unicode characters for Arabic music half-flat and half-sharp symbols

> On 28 May 2018, at 03:39, Garth Wallace wrote: > >> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >> The flats and sharps of Arabic music are semantically the same as in Western >> music, departing from Pythagorean tuning, then, but the microtonal