Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-18 Thread jameskass
Curtis Clark wrote, > on 2004-03-18 01:05 Pavel Adamek wrote: > > So it would be convenient to have an empty diacritical mark, > > (COMBINING NOTHING ABOVE) > > which would cause the "soft" dot of or to disappear, > > without adding anything else. > > Assuming this could be added to any other

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-18 Thread Curtis Clark
on 2004-03-18 01:05 Pavel Adamek wrote: So it would be convenient to have an empty diacritical mark, (COMBINING NOTHING ABOVE) which would cause the "soft" dot of or to disappear, without adding anything else. Assuming this could be added to any other character, my mind boggles at the implicatio

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-18 Thread Pavel Adamek
> lowercase j is "soft-dotted" meaning that > its default dot disappears > when there's a diacritic above it, > and this includes the combining dot above. So it would be convenient to have an empty diacritical mark, (COMBINING NOTHING ABOVE) which would cause the "soft" dot of or to disappear, w

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Ernest Cline
> [Original Message] > From: Peter Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We might hope that within twenty years almost all new > documents will be marked with their language. We might also hope that within twenty years almost all new documents will use Unicode. It is at that point that the benefit of my me

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
- Original Message - From: "Peter Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Philippe Verdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Unicode Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Peter Kirk
On 17/03/2004 11:30, Ernest Cline wrote: ... Mixed Turkish and other European language documents that are without language markup have the same problem, no matter where the burden is placed. Some I's will receive inappropriate glyphs when a casing rule is applied. The problem is just as pronou

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Peter Kirk suggested rhetorically: > Dare I suggest that this would give a way of writing Turkish > with a Celtic font? What I need, however, is a way of writing Japanese with a Mongolian font. ;-) --Ken

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Ernest Cline
> [Original Message] > From: Peter Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 17/03/2004 07:12, Ernest Cline wrote: > > >Well, in the event that Unicode ever does add DOTTED J to go with > >DOTLESS J, I sincerely hope that it does not follow the example of > >DOTTED I and DOTLESS I. It would have been be

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Peter Kirk
On 17/03/2004 09:59, Philippe Verdy wrote: Arcane Jill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But if you lowercased that, surely you'd get . How should that be rendered? This is already addressed: lowercase j is "soft-dotted" meaning that its default dot disappears when there's a diacritic above it, a

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Philippe Verdy
Arcane Jill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But if you lowercased that, surely you'd get . > How should that be rendered? This is already addressed: lowercase j is "soft-dotted" meaning that its default dot disappears when there's a diacritic above it, and this includes the combining dot above. So

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Peter Kirk
On 17/03/2004 07:12, Ernest Cline wrote: Well, in the event that Unicode ever does add DOTTED J to go with DOTLESS J, I sincerely hope that it does not follow the example of DOTTED I and DOTLESS I. It would have been better in my opinion to have encoded upper and lower case forms of both charact

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Arcane Jill
But if you lowercased that, surely you'd get . How should that be rendered? > -Original Message- > From: Kent Karlsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > A dotted capital J can already be encoded as . > Hence, a separate precomposed such character will not be added. > > /kent k > > > Well, i

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Doug Ewell
Ernest Cline wrote: > It would have been better in my opinion to have encoded upper and > lower case forms of both characters separate from the ordinary I. > That would have placed language specific burdens not on the casing > algorithm of Unicode but on the transfer of data from legacy > charact

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Kent Karlsson
A dotted capital J can already be encoded as . Hence, a separate precomposed such character will not be added. /kent k > Well, in the event that Unicode ever does add DOTTED J to go with > DOTLESS J, I sincerely hope that it does not follow the example of > DOTTED I and DOTLESS I.

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Ernest Cline
Well, in the event that Unicode ever does add DOTTED J to go with DOTLESS J, I sincerely hope that it does not follow the example of DOTTED I and DOTLESS I. It would have been better in my opinion to have encoded upper and lower case forms of both characters separate from the ordinary I. That wo

Re: Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread Peter Kirk
On 17/03/2004 04:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, The discussions, esp. the one on "dotless i" brought a question up my mind: Why doesn't capital J have a dot above? Actually, my feeling is that as a kid, I used to put a dot on top of J during elementary school in Turkey. But as I stated i

Investigating: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER J WITH DOT ABOVE

2004-03-17 Thread CagXonganer
Dear all, The discussions, esp. the one on "dotless i" brought a question up my mind: Why doesn't capital J have a dot above? Actually, my feeling is that as a kid, I used to put a dot on top of J during elementary school in Turkey. But as I stated in the subject I am investigating. I need to a