Re: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-26 Thread Jianping Yang
"Carl W. Brown" wrote: > I warned my clients not to use > surrogates with Oracle 8.x data bases. I also can not see that they could > be so short sighted not to develop a full UTF-8 encoder. If MS can put > surrogate support into Windows 2000, then they can put it into Oracle 8.0. > I am sure

Re: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-26 Thread Jianping Yang
"Carl W. Brown" wrote: > Jianping, > > > In fact, Oracle 8.0 development started in 1992 and it was > > released in 1994, > > which should be much earlier than NT 5.0. > > > Back then I was still using Oracle 7. Thank you for correcting me. What > made you chose UTF-8 back in 1992? > Oracle

RE: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-26 Thread Carl W. Brown
Jianping, > In fact, Oracle 8.0 development started in 1992 and it was > released in 1994, > which should be much earlier than NT 5.0. > Back then I was still using Oracle 7. Thank you for correcting me. What made you chose UTF-8 back in 1992? Is part of the problem that you use UCS-2 for CLOB

RE: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-26 Thread Carl W. Brown
Peter, > > >6) UTF-16X (also named UTF-16S or UTF-16F) is definitely humor, > although I > >am probably not the only one to think that it is technically more > "serious" > >than UTF-8S. > > I didn't get the impression that it was presented with humour in mind. I > didn't read the original message

RE: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-26 Thread Peter_Constable
On 06/25/2001 02:13:02 AM Marco Cimarosti wrote: >5) UTF-32S is a borderline case. I am quite sure that it was proposed with >tongue in cheek... No, it was proposed in all seriousness in the same document in which Oracle and friends proposed UTF-8s. >6) UTF-16X (also named UTF-16S or UTF-16F)

Re: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-26 Thread
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Re: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-25 Thread Curtis Clark
At 10:13 AM 6/25/01, Otto Stolz wrote: >Yet, I acknowledge the need to clearly mark humorous UTF propositions >for the unsuspicious. Hence, I'd like to suggest to enclose their >respective acronyms between \u202B and \u202C. This would be enough >hinting on the skewed nature of such suggestions wh

RE: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-25 Thread Yves Arrouye
> >A proposal needs a definition, though: > > > > UTF would mean "Unicode Transformation Format" > > utf would mean "Unicode Terrible Farce" > > untenable total figment? unable to focus? utf twisted form? YA

Re: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-25 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2001-06-25 2:24:36 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > To avoid possible misunderstandings, such as regarding Doug's Unicode > Compression Kludge as a duck, acronyms should continue being written > in upper-case letters. I hadn't thought of that possibility,

Re: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-25 Thread Lars Marius Garshol
* Marco Cimarosti | | 1) UTF-8, UTF-16 and UTF-32 are the only three real EXISTING Unicode | Transformation Formats. They are official and part of the Unicode standard. * Elliotte Rusty Harold | | What about ISO-10646-UCS-2 and ISO-10646-UCS-4 as used in XML? Where | do they fit in? Are they

RE: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-25 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: > What about ISO-10646-UCS-2 and ISO-10646-UCS-4 as used in XML? Where > do they fit in? Are they only part of ISO-10646 and not Unicode? or > are they identical to UTF-16 and UTF-32? or something else? I didn't include them just because they don't start with "UTF",

RE: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-25 Thread Elliotte Rusty Harold
At 11:13 AM +0200 6/25/01, Marco Cimarosti wrote: >Hallo. > >I am one of those who started this childish joke of introducing implausible >"UTF-..." acronyms at nearly every post. > >I found that the joke is getting very fun but also that it may be starting >confusing people, so I fill compelled to

RE: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-25 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Otto Stolz wrote: > Yet, I acknowledge the need to clearly mark humorous UTF propositions > for the unsuspicious. Hence, I'd like to suggest to enclose their > respective acronyms between \u202B and \u202C. This would be enough > hinting on the skewed nature of such suggestions while still > indi

RE: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-25 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Hallo. I am one of those who started this childish joke of introducing implausible "UTF-..." acronyms at nearly every post. I found that the joke is getting very fun but also that it may be starting confusing people, so I fill compelled to quit joking for a moment and make clear which ones are t

Re: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-25 Thread Otto Stolz
Am 2001-06-23 um 14:40 h EDT hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: > To keep well-meaning people from misinterpreting humorous UTF proposals as > serious, while still allowing the levity to flow freely, I hereby propose > that UTFs proposed in a non-serious light be indicated in lower-case letters >

Re: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-24 Thread Edward Cherlin
At 12:29 PM 6/23/2001, Michael (michka) Kaplan wrote: >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... > > To keep well-meaning people from misinterpreting humorous UTF proposals as > > serious, while still allowing the levity to flow freely, I hereby propose > > that UTFs proposed in a non-serious light be indicat

Re: Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-23 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm never ashamed of perfectly good code I've written to fulfill a humorous > requirement. I'm only ashamed of badly written code, or code that implements > a bad idea that someone else thinks is a good idea. The latter is kind of the worry I had -- a long time ago I

Playing with Unicode (was: Re: UTF-17)

2001-06-23 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2001-06-22 23:08:11 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Oh yeah, well, I can be more tongue-in-cheek than all of you. I've > > already implemented it. > > Doug, this is one of those things one should be ashamed of, like believing > in the April Fool's Day