Re: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-28 Thread Gaute B Strokkenes
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Otto Stolz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > >> Dear Unicoders, >> >> again, I have inadvertently sent a contribution to a member rather >> than to the whole list, because the Unicode list sets the Reply-to >> header in an utmost inconvenient an

RE: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-22 Thread Thomas Chan
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > Mike Ayers wrote: > > > This also casts some light on the fact that some fonts > > > (notably JIS fonts) > > > have a big black box glyphs at position 0x7F: [...] > > > > Probably not. A big black box (big hollow boxes are > > also used for > >

RE: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-22 Thread Pierpaolo BERNARDI
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > Could I find ISO-2022 on-line (or an unofficial explanation of it)? Yes. ISO-2022 = ECMA-35 search in www.ecma.ch for ecma-35.pdf BTW, here what it says about delete: 6.2.1 Character DELETE Name: DELETE Acronym: DEL Coded representation

RE: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-22 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > DEL does indeed have a use in plain text files that are encoded with > > Shift-In / Shift-Out to switch between left and right halves of (say) > > ISO 8859-1 without having to actually put 8-bit characters in the > > file. >

RE: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-22 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Mike Ayers wrote: > > This also casts some light on the fact that some fonts > > (notably JIS fonts) > > have a big black box glyphs at position 0x7F: [...] > > Probably not. A big black box (big hollow boxes are > also used for > this) is a polite way to represent a character which has n

RE: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-22 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Frank da Cruz wrote: > Yes, DEL has many, many uses in the terminal-to-host > direction, as do most other control characters. > I probably use DEL about 1000 times a day. That's what I suspected. :-( > You can never know what all its uses are. If anybody hopes > to be able to recycle or aboli

RE: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-22 Thread Christopher John Fynn
Otto Stolz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > Dear Unicoders, > > again, I have inadvertently sent a contribution to a member rather than > to the whole list, because the Unicode list sets the Reply-to header in > an utmost inconvenient and unexpected manner. > > Here is a copy for t

RE: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-22 Thread Ayers, Mike
> From: Marco Cimarosti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > This also casts some light on the fact that some fonts > (notably JIS fonts) > have a big black box glyphs at position 0x7F: it is probably > for overwriting > a character already printed on paper, so that it cannot be > read anymore.

Re: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-22 Thread Otto Stolz
Dear Unicoders, again, I have inadvertently sent a contribution to a member rather than to the whole list, because the Unicode list sets the Reply-to header in an utmost inconvenient and unexpected manner. Here is a copy for the list. I hope I will not mistype the address. I really wish that I s

Re: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-21 Thread John Cowan
Marco Cimarosti wrote: > What is the function of ASCII control code 0x7F (DEL) in text interchange? > > Particularly, what effect or interpretation might it have in communication > protocols, terminal protocols and, especially, inside text files? In general it has none. Some systems interpret

Re: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-21 Thread John Cowan
Frank da Cruz wrote: > DEL does indeed have a use in plain text files that are encoded with > Shift-In / Shift-Out to switch between left and right halves of (say) > ISO 8859-1 without having to actually put 8-bit characters in the file. > Ditto for "higher" levels of ISO-2022 character-set invo

Re: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-21 Thread Valeriy E. Ushakov
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 09:42:53 -0800, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > 1) What happens if emacs loads Doug Ewell's text file (I.e. a text file > containing "ABCDEF") and then saves it? Would the file's content be > changed to "ABDEF"? No. I don't think any program interprets file contents in this way

Re: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-21 Thread John Cowan
Marco Cimarosti wrote: > Which systems interpret 0x7F as "interrupt process"? I know that this would > be 0x03 in DOS (^C), and 0x03, 0x04 or 0x1A in Unix (^C, ^D, and ^Z, > respectively), but I know nothing about other systems, e.g. Macintosh. Very long ago, in the Seventh Edition of Unix, the

RE: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-21 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Thanks for all the public and private replies. Now I have a much clearer understanding of the reasons behind controls 0x7F and 0x08 (DELETE and BACKSPACE). First of all, their names now makes more sense to me: 0x08 originally moved the writing head BACK one SPACE, while 0x7F DELETEd a column on p

Re: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-21 Thread Frank da Cruz
> > Which systems interpret 0x7F as "interrupt process"? I know that this would > > be 0x03 in DOS (^C), and 0x03, 0x04 or 0x1A in Unix (^C, ^D, and ^Z, > > respectively), but I know nothing about other systems, e.g. Macintosh. > > Very long ago, in the Seventh Edition of Unix, the default interr

Re: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-21 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2001-02-21 07:03:46 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What is the function of ASCII control code 0x7F (DEL) in text interchange? > > Particularly, what effect or interpretation might it have in communication > protocols, terminal protocols and, especially, i

Re: [OT] What is DEL for?

2001-02-21 Thread Valeriy E. Ushakov
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 06:29:29 -0800, Marco Cimarosti wrote: > What is the function of ASCII control code 0x7F (DEL) in text > interchange? > > Particularly, what effect or interpretation might it have in > communication protocols, terminal protocols and, especially, inside > text files? > >