RE: Standard Conventions and euro

David Starner > Subject: Re: Standard Conventions and euro > > > Keld Jørn Simonsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Locale systems that force you to pick one immutable set of > conventions > >> for a given country are broken in general. I remember

RE: Re[2]: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:41 AM > To: Doug Ewell > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re[2]: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro) > > > Hello Doug, > > Monday, March 04, 2002, 3:07:44 AM, you wrote: > > DE> In the Hebrew calendar, only Shabbat (Sa

RE: Re[2]: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

Дауг Еуэль wrote: > The word "numeric" was intended to convey that some day names > are based > on numbers instead of, say, Norse gods. The Russian derivation of > certain day names from numbers is not nearly as transparent as the > Portuguese "segunda-feira." Perhaps I should have made that >

Re: Re[2]: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

Здравствуйте Сергей, Serge Nesterovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DE> In the Hebrew calendar, only Shabbat (Saturday) has a name; the rest of > DE> the days are numbered. In Russian and Portuguese, most of the day names > DE> are numeric. > It's wrong information. > In Russian NO one days of

Re[3]: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

SN> but vtornik =/= vtoroi SN> chetverg =/= chetveryi misspelling :( I mean chetverg =/= chetvertyi SN> pyatnitsa =/= pyatyi SN> Using numbers of a days where names must be used is impossible. SN> And when somebody trying to use day _numbers_ he must remember, that SN> not in all cultures week be

Re[2]: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

Hello Doug, Monday, March 04, 2002, 3:07:44 AM, you wrote: DE> In the Hebrew calendar, only Shabbat (Saturday) has a name; the rest of DE> the days are numbered. In Russian and Portuguese, most of the day names DE> are numeric. It's wrong information. In Russian NO one days of week name is nume

Re: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

From: "Shigemichi Yazawa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>ろ ろ〇〇〇 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Month names. Month names. Who needs month names, anyway? Do we name the >> hours of the day? Do we name the days *within* each month? Tell the >> Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans that THEY need month names. >J

Re[2]: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

Hello Doug, Monday, March 04, 2002, 3:07:44 AM, you wrote: DE> In the Hebrew calendar, only Shabbat (Saturday) has a name; the rest of DE> the days are numbered. In Russian and Portuguese, most of the day names DE> are numeric. It's wrong information. In Russian NO one days of week name is nume

Re: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

At Sun, 03 Mar 2002 16:20:37 -0500, ろ ろ〇〇〇 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Month names. Month names. Who needs month names, anyway? Do we name the > hours of the day? Do we name the days *within* each month? Tell the > Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans that THEY need month names. Japan has (or ha

Re: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

Patrick Andries wrote: >I believe Russian also gives numeral names to most week days > (but Eastern European languages are not my forte). > > (*) E.g. Monday = segunda-feira. 3 days of the week are related to numerals in Russian: $B'S'd'`'b'_'Z'\(B 'the second one' Tuesday $B'i'V'd'S'V'b'T(B

Re: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, [iso-2022-jp] $B$m!;!;!;!;(B $B$m!;!;!;(B wrote: > >and so on. Everything isn't user configurable (you can't change the > >month names into Esperanto for instance) but it's a good start. > > Month names. Month names. Who needs month names, anyway? Do we name the > hours

Re: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

ろ ろ〇〇〇 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Month names. Month names. Who needs month names, anyway? Do we name the > hours of the day? Medieval monks divided the day into eight Canonical Hours, named Matins, Lauds, Prime, Terse, Sext, Nones, Vespers, and Compline. > Do we name the days *within* ea

RE: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

On 03-Mar-02 $B$m!;!;!;!;(B $B$m!;!;!;(B wrote: > Month names. Month names. Who needs month names, anyway? Do we name the > hours of the day? Do we name the days *within* each month? Tell the > Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans that THEY need month names. > > Also, it is my understanding that

Re: Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

> > >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] e'crivait : >> > > Month names. Month names. Who needs month names, anyway? Do we name > the hours of the day? Do we name the days *within* each month? Tell > the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans that THEY need month names. > > Also, it is my understanding that some Europe

Month names (was: Re: Standard Conventions and euro)

> >Apple's International System Preferences allow you to configure most >of the locale features, such as numeric date formatting, currency, >and so on. Everything isn't user configurable (you can't change the >month names into Esperanto for instance) but it's a good start. Month names. Month name

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

>On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 08:49:27AM -0800, Doug Ewell wrote: >> >> Locale systems that force you to pick one immutable set of conventions >> for a given country are broken in general. I remember having to tell >> MS-DOS that I was in South Africa or someplace, just to get my directory >> list

Re: [Fwd: Re: Standard Conventions and euro]

On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 03:52:55PM -0500, Tex Texin wrote: > Doug says at the bottom of this missive: > > >But this is all very OT and I'd better stop now, because I know how > >quickly this discussion can devolve into Operating System Wars. > > But the locales group would very much like to see

[Fwd: Re: Standard Conventions and euro]

-- Original Message ---- Subject: Re: Standard Conventions and euro Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:54:45 -0800 From: "Doug Ewell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Keld Jørn Simonsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Locale systems that force you to pick one immutable set of conventio

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

Keld Jørn Simonsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Locale systems that force you to pick one immutable set of conventions >> for a given country are broken in general. I remember having to tell >> MS-DOS that I was in South Africa or someplace, just to get my directory >> listing the way I wanted

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

> >The "old currencies" on the continent (German Mark, Dutch guilder, French > >frank) however use a period to devide the groups and a comma as a decimal > >sign. > > Some use a full stop as the thousands separator and some use a > numeric (nonbreaking) space. Switzerland uses an apostrophe for t

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

> On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:26:42 +0100 , Marco Cimarosti wrote: > > French francs amounts were often > > written with a single decimal (because the smallest coin was 10 cents) > > No, the 5 centime coin remained in use (until the recent demise of the > Franc, of course) and in any case it was very

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002, Doug Ewell wrote: > Locale systems that force you to pick one immutable set of conventions > for a given country are broken in general. I remember having to tell > MS-DOS that I was in South Africa or someplace, just to get my directory > listing the way I wanted it. *nix sy

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

At 01:34 PM 3/1/02 -0800, Yves Arrouye wrote: >So should we conclude that there are some date formats meant for printing, >while some are meant for data entry and display, the latter being the ones >that are in our locale tables? The US military uses 24h time, the rest of the country 12h time, an

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

> This goes double for the practice of assuming only one legal date format > for each locale. It's really laughable to read, for example, that the > U.S. ONLY uses m/d/yy. I know lots of Americans who use m-d-yy or > m-d-, and I use -mm-dd without confusing too many people. As a matter

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

> > listing the way I wanted it. *nix systems that start with "fr_FR" and > > then allow you to define "fr_FR-EURO" or something really aren't much > > better; what if I want to deviate from the pre-defined locale in four or > > five ways instead of just one? They do not let you deviate from a p

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 08:49:27AM -0800, Doug Ewell wrote: > > Locale systems that force you to pick one immutable set of conventions > for a given country are broken in general. I remember having to tell > MS-DOS that I was in South Africa or someplace, just to get my directory > listing the w

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

Marco Cimarosti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On my experience, however, the current practice of having one "monetary > settings" record for each locale is completely broken. This practice assumes > that, e.g., Italians only need amounts in liras or euros. But it is clear > that foreign currencies

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

At 08:55 -0500 2002-03-01, James E. Agenbroad wrote: > Friday, March 1, 2002 >Would I be correct in assuming that the Euro is also now the currency in >non-European dependencies such as the Netherlands Antilles, French >Polynesia, etc.? Apologies in adv

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

Friday, March 1, 2002 Would I be correct in assuming that the Euro is also now the currency in non-European dependencies such as the Netherlands Antilles, French Polynesia, etc.? Apologies in advance if either of these is now independent. Regards

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:26:42 +0100 , Marco Cimarosti wrote: > French francs amounts were often > written with a single decimal (because the smallest coin was 10 cents) No, the 5 centime coin remained in use (until the recent demise of the Franc, of course) and in any case it was very rare to see a

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

Michael Everson had written: > When is [the Apocalypse] scheduled to occur? Tex Texin wrote: > And how do you write it in ISO 8601 format? It is out of scope for ISO 8601; you will have to resort to RFC 2550, cf. or

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

Michael Everson wrote: > >I would be glad to learn any information about what is > really occuring > >in practice in each of the euro-using countries with regards to > >formatting the currency. > > So would I, so I can update my page at > http://www.evertype.com/standards/euro/formats.html > >

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

> >>Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, > >>and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. > > > >When is that scheduled to occur? > > [Alain] Very simple: « la semaine des quatre jeudis » (the week of the 4 > Thursdays, as we say in French). And th

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

On 02/28/2002 08:51:14 AM Michael Everson wrote: >>Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, >>and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. > >When is that scheduled to occur? Not sure, but book your table at Milliways now! - Peter

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

At 05:44 PM 2/28/02 +, Michael Everson wrote: >At 12:37 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: > >>My understanding is that there are no firm rules for formatting currency >>in euros and that it is expected that the formats or practices used >>prior to the change to euros would continue with the e

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

At 12:37 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: >My understanding is that there are no firm rules for formatting currency >in euros and that it is expected that the formats or practices used >prior to the change to euros would continue with the euro symbol >repacing the old currency. So I guess I sho

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

Michael Everson wrote: > > At 00:53 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: > >I believe Portuguese Escudos are done this way, with the $ as decimal > >separator. > > Portuguese escudos no longer exist. > > Apple's pre-euro formatting for Portugal gives 1 234,56$ with space > as the thousands separa

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

Michael Everson wrote: > At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, >> and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. > > When is that scheduled to occur? If the First Person of the Trinity won't te

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

Michael Everson wrote: > > At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >Portuguese escudos no longer exist. > > > >Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, > >and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. > > When is that scheduled to occ

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

A 14:51 2002-02-28 +, Michael Everson a écrit : >At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >Portuguese escudos no longer exist. >> >>Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, >>and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. > >When is that

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

When we run out of the 64-bit Unicode code point space? -Original Message- From: ext Michael Everson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 09:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Standard Conventions and euro At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

At 08:26 -0600 2002-02-28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Portuguese escudos no longer exist. > >Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, >and will continue to exist in data until the Apocalypse. When is that scheduled to occur? -- Michael Everson *** Everson Typogr

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

On 02/28/2002 04:09:33 AM Michael Everson wrote: >At 00:53 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: >>I believe Portuguese Escudos are done this way, with the $ as decimal >>separator. > >Portuguese escudos no longer exist. Perhaps not as physical currency, but they sure do still exist in data, and w

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

At 00:53 -0500 2002-02-28, Tex Texin wrote: >I believe Portuguese Escudos are done this way, with the $ as decimal >separator. Portuguese escudos no longer exist. Apple's pre-euro formatting for Portugal gives 1 234,56$ with space as the thousands separator and dollar sign as a currency sign.

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

I believe Portuguese Escudos are done this way, with the $ as decimal separator. tex John Cowan wrote: > > Marco Cimarosti wrote: > > > Rather, this format was required by some USA retailers, who wanted two and a > > half dollar to be formatted as: > > > > 2$50 > > I think that is Brazil

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

John Cowan wrote: > Marco Cimarosti wrote: > > > Rather, this format was required by some USA retailers, who > wanted two and a > > half dollar to be formatted as: > > > > 2$50 > > I think that is Brazilian cruzeiros, but definitely not USD which are > always written $2.50. You are probab

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

Marco Cimarosti wrote: > Rather, this format was required by some USA retailers, who wanted two and a > half dollar to be formatted as: > > 2$50 I think that is Brazilian cruzeiros, but definitely not USD which are always written $2.50. -- John Cowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.r

RE: Standard Conventions and euro

Michael Everson wrote: > There should not be a space between a (symbolic) leading currency > sign and the figure, by convention in all the currencies that do so. No, that's not universal. The Italian symbol "L." (also "£" or "Lit.") is normally separated from the amount. (BTW, no one correct tha

Re: Standard Conventions and euro

At 12:02 +0100 2002-02-22, Henk Gianotten wrote on the Typography List: >The Americans (and the Brits) use a period as a decimal sign and separate >thousand with a comma. The Irish do as well...! >The "old currencies" on the continent (German Mark, Dutch guilder, French >frank) however use a pe