Surely there is already some international standards body or panel which
deals with food safety and labelling? (maybe ISO 22000 Food Safety
Management Systems)
If there is a real need for characters to represent food allergens,
wouldn't such a body be the right group to come up with appropriate
On 04 Aug 2015, at 01:24, Mark E. Shoulson wrote:
if you're interested in this kind of pictographic pidgin, take a look at
https://www.kwikpoint.com/ Someone already did some of it.
Personally I canʼt do, nor support thoroughly, anything about pictographic
language. I just answer some
Please may I draw to your attention the following blog post.
http://www.michellesblog.co.uk/emoji-ing-food-allergens/
The blog is by the same lady that runs the following website, a specialist
website about food allergens and freefrom food..
http://www.foodsmatter.com/
William Overington
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On 29 Jul 2015, at 10:21, William_J_G Overington wrote:
Alternately, scanning the EAN barcode on the package could give access to a
database intended for food information. This requires the use of a
smartphone or other compatible device.
That is a good idea.
In which case the emoji
On 29 Jul 2015, at 15:42, William_J_G Overington wrote:
[On 28 Jul 2015, at 22:26, gfb hjjhjh wrote:]
As according to http://unicode.org/faq/emoji_dingbats.html , emoji
characters do not have single semantics. Which I think it is not what the
original proposer want? Or were I
On 29 Jul 2015, at 18:39, Doug Ewell wrote:
Andrew West wrote:
There may be a case to be made for encoding symbols for food allergens
for labelling purposes, but there is no case for encoding such symbols
as a form of symbolic language for communication of dietary
requirements.
For what
, 2015 12:01 PM
To: unicode@unicode.org
Subject: Re: Emoji characters for food allergens
I'm sorry to really disagree with this little understandable criticism of
laundry symbols. The most encountered of the care tags are self-explaining, as
the washing and iron temperature limits
been required
to learn, and that few people actually do learn to any great extent.
Peter
*From:*Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] *On Behalf Of
*Asmus Freytag (t)
*Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2015 12:01 PM
*To:* unicode@unicode.org
*Subject:* Re: Emoji characters for food allergens
On 08/03/2015 10:30 AM, Marcel Schneider wrote:
On 29 Jul 2015, at 15:42, William_J_G Overington wrote:
Emoji seemed like a wonderful way to achieve communication through the language
barrier.
We remember that Esperanto was also a hopeful way to unify the language,
raising much enthusiasm
BTW, the UTC declined to accept the allergen emoji set proposal. While some
of the food items may be acceptable and the emoji subcommittee could
re-propose them, there are principled problems with trying to deal with
allergens as a set of emoji. So that is off the table.
Mark
On Jul 29, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Andrew West andrewcw...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 July 2015 at 14:42, William_J_G Overington
wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote:
For example, one such character could be used to be placed before a list of
emoji characters for food allergens to indicate that that a
On 03 Aug 2015, at 10:57, Nathan Sharfi wrote:
I've recently tried to closely follow the care tags on my clothes instead of
dumping most of them in the cold/cold batch. When I look at the care tags, I
squint at the hieroglyphs[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laundry_symbol] for
five
I'm sorry to really disagree with this little understandable criticism of laundry symbols. The most encountered of the care tags are self-explaining, as the washing and iron temperature limits or discouraging. The other symbols mainly concern dry cleaning and laundry
general public only need to understand those symbol that related to
themselves, people who prepare food can have a legend for which icon mean
what written in their own language. And i think it is actually better to
establish another standard instead of base it on Unicode as unicode can't
do the
On 03 Aug 2015, at 10:39:13, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote:
BTW, the UTC declined to accept the allergen emoji set proposal. While some
of the food items may be acceptable and the emoji subcommittee could
re-propose them, there are principled problems with trying to deal with
allergens as a set of
On 28 Jul 2015, at 15:00, Michael Everson wrote [I placed the quotation first]:
On 26 Jul 2015, at 06:05, Garth Wallace wrote:
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 9:43 AM, William_J_G Overington
wrote:
Emoji characters for food allergens
An interesting document entitled
Preliminary proposal to
When it comes to symbolic and / or pictorial representations, there
are roughly three kinds. I'm going to use "symbol" here for both
symbols and emoji when the latter are used in contexts where there
also are (or could be) symbols - and I don't limit symbol to the
subset
The discussion widens:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/08/02/2248257/unicode-consortium-looks-at-symbols-for-allergies
I'll try to respond to all,
Please don't.
What Marcel wrote was as follows:
quote
I'll try to respond to all, having not much time outside my main concerns,
sorry.
end quote
When I first read that, and indeed when I read it again after reading Andrew's
comment, I read it as Marcel
it might not be enough to avoid allergens,
we should pay attention to the presence of palm oil because of
the useless devastation of primates' habitats while enough
fallow land exists in a concerned country for palm oil
production until 2050
I believe that
Schneider
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Objet : Re: Emoji characters for food allergens
I'll try to respond to all,
Please don't
The easiest thing appears to be to not call the
items emoji.
I opine that a new word is needed to mean the
following.
A character that looks like it is an emoji
character yet has precise semantics.
So, like, a localizable sentence character?
Well,
On 7/30/2015 12:07 PM, Andrew West
wrote:
On 30 July 2015 at 18:07, Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr wrote:
I'll try to respond to all,
Please don't.
Andrew
What Andrew said.
A./
On 7/30/2015 10:07 AM, Marcel Schneider
wrote:
it might not be enough to avoid allergens,
we should pay attention to the presence of palm oil because of
the useless devastation of primates' habitats while enough
fallow land exists in a concerned
On 30 July 2015 at 18:07, Marcel Schneider charupd...@orange.fr wrote:
I'll try to respond to all,
Please don't.
Andrew
I'll try to respond to all, having not much time outside my main concerns,
sorry.
Indeed I agree that there are limits to the automatization of interhuman
communication. In practice, whenever we are in contact with one another, the
use of natural language is preferrable. Emoticons and other
Andrew West andrewcwest at gmail dot com wrote:
There may be a case to be made for encoding symbols for food allergens
for labelling purposes, but there is no case for encoding such symbols
as a form of symbolic language for communication of dietary
requirements.
For what little it is worth,
On 07/29/2015 09:42 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote:
The easiest thing appears to be to not call the items emoji.
I opine that a new word is needed to mean the following.
A character that looks like it is an emoji character yet has
precise semantics.
So, like, a
...@google.com
Objet : re: Emoji characters for food allergens
Hi Marcel
I have also wondered whether each glyph for an allergen should include
within its glyph a number, maybe a three-digit number, so that clarity is
precise.
I'm not sure whether another code would facilitate the handling
Hi Marcel
Alternately, scanning the EAN barcode on the package could give access to a
database intended for food information. This requires the use of a smartphone
or other compatible device.
That is a good idea.
In which case the emoji would not need to be encoded on the package, yet would
Probably if these symbols are to be added to unicode, it would better to
allocate blocks that are not belong to emoji for them.
I'm curious what this is supposed to accomplish. It's not as though people
viewing such a symbol on a screen or in print, or entering it on a phone
keypad, will
On 2015/07/29 23:27, Andrew West wrote:
On 29 July 2015 at 14:42, William_J_G Overington
My diet can include soya
There already is, you can write My diet can include soya.
If you are likely to swell up and die if you eat a peanut (for
example), you will not want to trust your life to an
Indeed; depending on special Emoji characters to convey unambiguously an
crucial sentence beyond language barriers also treads very close to
using those localizable sentences we mustn't talk about.
~mark
On 07/29/2015 10:27 AM, Andrew West wrote:
On 29 July 2015 at 14:42, William_J_G
On 29 July 2015 at 14:42, William_J_G Overington
wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote:
For example, one such character could be used to be placed before a list of
emoji characters for food allergens to indicate that that a list of dietary
need follows.
For example,
My dietary need is no gluten
As according to http://unicode.org/faq/emoji_dingbats.html , emoji characters
do not have single semantics. Which I think it is not what the original
proposer want? Or were I misunderstanding that
Garth Wallace has already indicated in his reply to your post that it was me,
not the original
That's what Mr. Overington wants, but he's not the original proposer.
The proposal by Hiroyuki Komatsu
http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2015/15197r-emoji-food-allergens.pdf does
not say anything of the sort, and by unifying some with existing
characters implies otherwise.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 1:26
I do NOT understand the rationale.
Emojis are not for labelling things. They’re for the playful expression of
emotions.
Standardized symbols for allergens might be useful, if there were a textual use
for them.
On 26 Jul 2015, at 06:05, Garth Wallace gwa...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul
Hi Marcel
I have also wondered whether each glyph for an allergen should include
within its glyph a number, maybe a three-digit number, so that clarity is
precise.
I'm not sure whether another code would facilitate the handling of these
warnings. IMHO the allergen name in natural language
On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:00 AM, Michael Everson ever...@evertype.com allegedly
wrote:
Emojis are not for labelling things. They’re for the playful expression of
emotions.
Is that what they're for? I thought they were (encoded) to satisfy certain
device manufacturers. And, what is the emotion
Richard Cook rscook at wenlin dot com wrote:
And, what is the emotion playfully expressed by ?
I'm having a burger and fries for lunch but can't be bothered to type
all that into this text message lol
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On 7/28/2015 8:07 AM, Richard Cook
wrote:
On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote:
Richard Cook rscook at wenlin dot com wrote:
And, what is the emotion playfully expressed by ?
"I'm
On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote:
Richard Cook rscook at wenlin dot com wrote:
And, what is the emotion playfully expressed by ?
I'm having a burger and fries for lunch but can't be bothered to type
all that into this text message lol
Is all that one
Probably if these symbols are to be added to unicode, it would better to
allocate blocks that are not belong to emoji for them.
Also, it should be noted that emoji can look very different across
different places, see http://unicode.org/faq/emoji_dingbats.html and
Well, there are several emoji for various items encountered in daily
life, and I think the reasoning is that allergens are important things
to refer to because of their health effects. It's a bit of a leap to
say that means there's a need for dedicated pictograms though. I
agree, it does seem to
On Jul 28, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
On 7/28/2015 8:07 AM, Richard Cook wrote:
On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:53 AM, Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org wrote:
Richard Cook rscook at wenlin dot com wrote:
And, what is the emotion playfully expressed by ?
I'm having a
gfb hjjhjh c933103 at gmail dot com wrote:
Probably if these symbols are to be added to unicode, it would better
to allocate blocks that are not belong to emoji for them.
I'm curious what this is supposed to accomplish. It's not as though
people viewing such a symbol on a screen or in print,
As according to http://unicode.org/faq/emoji_dingbats.html , emoji
characters do not have single semantics. Which I think it is not what the
original proposer want? Or were I misunderstanding that
2015年7月29日 上午3:28於 Doug Ewell d...@ewellic.org寫道：
gfb hjjhjh c933103 at gmail dot com wrote:
On 26 Jul 2015 at 07:14, Garth Wallace wrote:
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 9:43 AM, William_J_G Overington
wrote:
Emoji characters for food allergens
An interesting document entitled
Preliminary proposal to add emoji characters for food allergens
by Hiroyuki Komatsu
was added
On 26 Jul 2015, at 05:45, William_J_G Overington wrote:
Emoji characters for food allergens
An interesting document entitled
Preliminary proposal to add emoji characters for food allergens
by Hiroyuki Komatsu
was added into the UTC (Unicode Technical Committee) Document Register
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 9:43 AM, William_J_G Overington
wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote:
Emoji characters for food allergens
An interesting document entitled
Preliminary proposal to add emoji characters for food allergens
by Hiroyuki Komatsu
was added into the UTC (Unicode Technical
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