Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-17 Thread Michael Everson
At 20:33 -0800 2002-02-16, Asmus Freytag wrote: Whether or not they would get support to be encoded is almost irrelevant as long as no-one comes forward and makes a formal proposal with solid background information. Only then can this issue be settled where it matters: in the UTC. And WG2.

Re: UTF-8 was Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-17 Thread Doug Ewell
Curtis Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:30 PM 2/14/02, David Starner wrote: One out of two ain't bad, I guess. That was garbage on the screens of some of the subscribers, though - UTF-8 display is still not universal. You have a UTF-8 sig block, right, David? :-) With my recent change

Re: UTF-8 was Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-17 Thread David Starner
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 04:23:20PM -0800, Doug Ewell wrote: Curtis Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:30 PM 2/14/02, David Starner wrote: One out of two ain't bad, I guess. That was garbage on the screens of some of the subscribers, though - UTF-8 display is still not universal.

RE: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-16 Thread Christopher J Fynn
Patrick Andries wrote: I wonder sometimes if the largest obstacle in the encoding of smileys as characters is not the universal normalization process itself. Had they been invented a few decades ago and encoded locally in some kind of popular font/encoding (the Netscape font for

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-16 Thread Lukas Pietsch
Falkor wrote: I was thinking more that this would allow modern software to translate a lower-ASCII three-character sequence into a single unicode emoticon character that would be displayed properly regardless of OS and software, also alleviating the need for such developers to create

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-16 Thread Patrick Andries
Christopher J Fynn wrote: Patrick, There are whole scripts for contemporary languages which are as yet unencoded in the Unicode Standard and some punctuation and other chararacters missing from already encoded scripts. IMO attention needs to be paid to making sure all these characters

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-16 Thread Asmus Freytag
Whether or not they would get support to be encoded is almost irrelevant as long as no-one comes forward and makes a formal proposal with solid background information. Only then can this issue be settled where it matters: in the UTC. Discussions on open lists like this, unless accompanied by

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-15 Thread Doug Ewell
Harry Davis a.k.a. Falkor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two face characters in the Miscellaneous group. Actually, three: U+2639, U+263A, and U+263B. (Not to mention U+3020.) Was wondering if it would be appropriate to expand upon those two, possibly in its own block, and add a series

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-15 Thread Falkor
On 2/15/02 3:05 AM, Doug Ewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Davis a.k.a. Falkor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two face characters in the Miscellaneous group. Actually, three: U+2639, U+263A, and U+263B. (Not to mention U+3020.) Yes, I saw those three... Smile, Frown, Black Smile.

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-15 Thread David Starner
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 02:10:26AM -0500, Patrick Andries wrote: For a proposal, you'd need examples of the character being used in print, as a character and not a graphic. Do you have any examples? On tourne en rond, as we say in French. What is a character and not a graphic for you ?

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-15 Thread Evan Martin
On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 08:35:17AM -0500, Falkor wrote: Sounds like we have a potential Bytext user: http://www.bytext.org/The_Bytext_Standard.pdf (pages 31-33) I was unaware of that. But even at that (after I looked at it) it has some things that even I, having brought up this

Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread Falkor
This mailing list seems to be the first place for this, so... There are two face characters in the Miscellaneous group. Was wondering if it would be appropriate to expand upon those two, possibly in its own block, and add a series of smiles/faces/emoticons to the unicode standard. Like 'em or

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread Markus Scherer
Falkor wrote: Like 'em or hate 'em, those :) are here to stay. ...and there's at Probably, although the more people from outside the computer-tech world join in, the smaller percentage of people will use these, like my mother-in-law... They are already encoded in Unicode, using two or

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread Patrick Andries
Markus Scherer wrote: Falkor wrote: Like 'em or hate 'em, those :) are here to stay. ...and there's at Probably, although the more people from outside the computer-tech world join in, the smaller percentage of people will use these, like my mother-in-law... They are already

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread Patrick Andries
Patrick Andries wrote: There are a couple of real smileys too, but some modern emailers actually recognize the regular form and display an image. for what of a character. I meant for want of a character. P. Andries

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 08:56:25PM -0500, Patrick Andries wrote: They are already encoded in Unicode, using two or more Unicode characters... using a colon and a closing parenthesis (I personally prefer the version with a dash nose) is all you need. Methinks «We know what you need» is a

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread Falkor
On 2/14/02 8:34 PM, Markus Scherer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are already encoded in Unicode, using two or more Unicode characters... using a colon and a closing parenthesis (I personally prefer the version with a dash nose) is all you need. The same could be said about dingbat arrows...

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:28:19PM -0500, Falkor wrote: Miscellaneous Symbols aren't exactly textual. ...and if you can show me a document written with the Box Drawing block, I'd be impressed. :) I don't have an example at hand, but if you dig up an old DOS shareware disk and poke through

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:55:04PM -0500, Patrick Andries wrote: The regular way; the most common way; the way people actually use. Well, because there is no other way with a keyboard. But what do people do with a pencil ? What is the way people actually draw smileys then ? Tilted 90° ?

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread Patrick Andries
David Starner wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> People add these things to written text? I've never seen it, and itdoesn't sound like you have, either.> I wonder how you know this. I do write smileys on piece of papers. [EMAIL PROTECTED]"> Unless Unicode

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread David Starner
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 11:48:04PM -0500, Patrick Andries wrote: People add these things to written text? I've never seen it, and it doesn't sound like you have, either. I wonder how you know this. I do write smileys on piece of papers. I inferred that from your question about how people

Re: Smiles, faces, etc

2002-02-14 Thread Patrick Andries
David Starner wrote: For a proposal, you'd need examples of the character being used in print, as a character and not a graphic. Do you have any examples? On tourne en rond, as we say in French. What is a character and not a graphic for you ? Some « thing » that is already encoded as a