Why is U+25CA ◊ LOZENGE in the Mac OS Roman character set (at 0xD7 = 215,
and therefore contained in several common fonts like Arial or Times
New Roman)?
On Aug 13, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
Why is U+25CA ◊ LOZENGE in the Mac OS Roman character set (at 0xD7 = 215,
and therefore contained in several common fonts like Arial or Times
New Roman)?
Do you have non-unicode fonts where it is located at 0xD7, instead of the ×
On 13 Aug 2012, at 12:37, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
Why is U+25CA ◊ LOZENGE in the Mac OS Roman character set (at 0xD7 = 215,
and therefore contained in several common fonts like Arial or Times New
Roman)?
Because they put it there in 1984.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Am Montag, 13. August 2012 um 14:24 schrieb Michael Everson:
ME On 13 Aug 2012, at 12:37, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
Why is U+25CA ◊ LOZENGE in the Mac OS Roman character set (at 0xD7 = 215,
and therefore contained in several common fonts like Arial or Times New
Roman)?
ME Because they put it
The LOZENGE is also found in DOS code page 437.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
Karl Pentzlin, Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:04:24 +0200:
Am Montag, 13. August 2012 um 14:24 schrieb Michael Everson:
ME On 13 Aug 2012, at 12:37, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
Why is U+25CA ◊ LOZENGE in the Mac OS Roman character set (at
0xD7 = 215, and therefore contained in several common fonts like
On 13 Aug 2012, at 15:20, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
Mac fonts also included ƒ (LATIN SMALL LETTER F WITH HOOK). This was due to
the fact that names of folders used the name 'foo ƒ] - or 'foo U+0192', if
you wish. It was, however, usually only when the system or an app created a
folder name
Michael Everson, Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:38:48 +0100:
On 13 Aug 2012, at 15:20, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
Less so than the ƒ, but many of us learnt to use the ƒ for our folder
names.
I too learned to use the ƒ for folder names. But while I learned to do
it, I seldom did it as it had no
The LOZENGE is also found in GOST 10859; my guess that it was there
not to represent sown fields or female fertility
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lozenge#Symbolism) but rather for its
usage in modal logic to express the possibility of the following
expression
On 13 Aug 2012, at 16:33, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
I too learned to use the ƒ for folder names. But while I learned to do it, I
seldom did it as it had no practical consequences whether I did user it or
not. It appeared to be purely about esthetics.
Back in the days before Macs used
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
The problem I am confronted with is that this character shares
its German name Raute with the #
I learnt in 7th grade what “Raute” means.
“#” is not a Raute.
The center field of “#” is called Raute or Rhombus.
BTW, Herr Pentzlin:
On 13 Aug 2012, at 14:04, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
Am Montag, 13. August 2012 um 14:24 schrieb Michael Everson:
ME On 13 Aug 2012, at 12:37, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
Why is U+25CA ◊ LOZENGE in the Mac OS Roman character set (at 0xD7 = 215,
and therefore contained in several common fonts like Arial
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:04 AM, Karl Pentzlin karl-pentz...@acssoft.dewrote:
My intent is to get information *why* the character was considered
that important at that time to be included into an 8-bit character set
with its limited space. The problem I am confronted with is that this
On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Michael Everson wrote:
On 13 Aug 2012, at 14:04, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
Am Montag, 13. August 2012 um 14:24 schrieb Michael Everson:
ME On 13 Aug 2012, at 12:37, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
Why is U+25CA ◊ LOZENGE in the Mac OS Roman character set (at 0xD7 =
215,
Andreas Prilop, Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:09:44 +0200 (CEST):
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
The problem I am confronted with is that this character shares
its German name Raute with the #
I learnt in 7th grade what “Raute” means.
“#” is not a Raute.
It is simpler to say what it is
On 13 Aug 2012, at 18:09, Andreas Prilop wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Karl Pentzlin wrote:
The problem I am confronted with is that this character shares
its German name Raute with the #
I learnt in 7th grade what “Raute” means.
“#” is not a Raute.
The center field of “#” is called Raute
On 8/13/2012 10:11 AM, Peter Edberg wrote:
I do not believe it was for accounting, logic, or mathematical use. It was included in the original
Macintosh character set as shown in Figure 2 of the Font Manager chapter of Inside Macintosh,
volume I (1985), but was not included in the shaded
On 8/13/2012 12:25 PM, Ken Whistler wrote:
Regarding another stray comment in this thread, Michael Everson said:
The LOZENGE is also found in DOS code page 437.
That is definitely not true. Michael may be misremembering the diamond
from the
set of 4 card suit symbols, which definitely are in
Hello,
am 2012-08-13 18:09, schrieb Andreas Prilop:
http://www.machsmit.de/media/mainteaser/header-ichwillserleben.png
http://www.machsmit.de/kampagne/printmedien.php
show what the braindead German DIN keyboard layout has done to
the apostrophe (’): Killed by the acute accent (´).
DIN
Hello,
am 2012-08-13 20:48, schrieb Leif Halvard Silli:
The word 'Raute' reminds of the Norwegian 'rute' - and my Norwegian
book on etymology assumes that 'rute' is derived from 'Raute'. The
Norwegian 'rute' may refer to a cell in a (data) table or in a square
board for chess. Such a 'rute' is
I joined the Lisa group in late '83, and that was soon absorbed into the
Mac group.
As I recall, the MacRoman character set was already done, based on the
Lisa. This predated the laserwriter, so that wasn't the origin. The long
'f' was for use as a currency symbol (particularly for Gulden). I
On 8/13/2012 12:50 PM, Asmus Freytag wrote:
In that context, you can't distinguish a lozenge from a squished
diamond (*) from a diamond suit symbol.
While the character is one a of a set, it was not uncommon to have
people make do with somewhat similar characters standing in for each
other.
Otto Stolz, Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:14:17 +0200:
am 2012-08-13 20:48, schrieb Leif Halvard Silli:
Norwegian 'rute' may refer to a cell in a (data) table or in a square
board for chess. Such a 'rute' is of course a square. Perhaps German
'Raute' has a similar possibility of being interpreted as
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Otto Stolz otto.st...@uni-konstanz.dewrote:
In German, »Raute« is a synonym of »Rhombus«, i. e.
an equilateral quadrilateral. Hence, every »Raute«
is a »Quadrat« (square), but not vice versa.
The other way around, right?
Every »Quadrat« (square, has right
2012/8/13 Otto Stolz otto.st...@uni-konstanz.de:
Hello,
am 2012-08-13 20:48, schrieb Leif Halvard Silli:
The word 'Raute' reminds of the Norwegian 'rute' - and my Norwegian
book on etymology assumes that 'rute' is derived from 'Raute'. The
Norwegian 'rute' may refer to a cell in a (data)
For African use as a Latin letter, it's unfortunate that most fonts
show ƒ (LATIN SMALL LETTER F WITH HOOK) in italic style, as if it was
a florin symbol. This letter should better be vertically straight,
like an f with just the hook added below, and adopting an italic style
only in italic fonts,
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