to use only the limited set
of
characters implemented, to the world of Unicode which removes this
constraint, transliteration is no longer needed or useful.
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the pronunciation of the o),
while ñ is a different letter from n.
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of sense, as
do Peter Kirk's rebuttals of 5/27.
And this is the first (and possibly last) sentence I've written that uses
the word fraktur. :-)
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are not alphabetic, ideographic, or symbolic;
they are not linguistic. They are pictorial.
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(There may have been paleographers in the first century BC as there are
today. That shouldn't be construed as unqualified contemporaneous use.)
This might be relevant:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1308letter=A
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On Friday, May 21, 2004 12:06 AM, James Kass wrote:
Doesn't the idea that so many people will embrace a new Phoenician range
imply that it's the right thing to do?
No. It implies that Unicode calls the shots, for better or worse. I don't
accept that might makes right.
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forward to a Rashi
script proposal? Surely not.
There is a surfeit of proof by forceful assertion on both sides of this
argument. Very little by way of clear rationale. (And saying it's in the
roadmap just begs the question.)
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, there is
the problem of distinguishing between vav haluma and holam male, for one.
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position are useless as a visual indication to the
user of what's going on. One might even need to include some sort of glyph
highlighting to make clear the state of the text entry system.
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and it jumped to the next verse.
Comments?
I agree.
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telescope there fell over in a storm years ago, so never mind.
Personally, I prefer base 60 and base 16 to base 10. (But please, this is
not an attempt to link this thread, whatever it is, to the Hexadecimal
thread. 50159344557)
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sending this email as an RTL document, and it
corrects the comma problem on my screen.
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P.S. Of course, there are few other problems for
the LTR stuff (like where the punctuation ends up at the end of the
line).
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assigns only a single value to each
character.
I believe that reasonable people might reasonably conclude from factoids 1
and 2 that SPACE is indeed a format character.
Reasonable, but evidently wrong. Explanation, please?
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anything but a dot,
certainly not a holam male.
Let's encode Hebrew, not dots. It may mean changes to what SIL, UniScribe,
and others are doing, but there's no free lunch here.
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?
For reasons I posted earlier, I don't think encoding the dot is the right
approach.
I'd propose something that would look like this in the UCD (with 'nn' to be
determined, but it should be in the Hebrew block):
05nn;HEBREW VOWEL HOLAM MALE;Lo;0;R;compat 05D5 05B9N;
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conditions, it may be a viable
alternative.
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On Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ted Hopp wrote on 07/31/2003 12:12:34 PM:
I'd propose something that would look like this in the UCD (with 'nn' to
be
determined, but it should be in the Hebrew block):
05nn;HEBREW VOWEL HOLAM MALE;Lo;0;R;compat 05D5 05B9N
in a /hataf vowel/ (but never
centred in /hataf patah/), six times to the left and twice to the right.
But the example you posted earlier from BHS showed the meteg centered in a
hataf patah.
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convention requires
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On Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:04 PM, John Cowan wrote:
Ted Hopp scripsit:
I strongly prefer adding a holam male
(base) character as opposed to adding a new combining mark.
For what reasons?
1. It corresponds to standard Hebrew grammar.
2. It would be simple and easy to explain to users
On Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:58 PM, John Hudson wrote:
At 01:18 PM 7/31/2003, Ted Hopp wrote:
There are exactly two Hebrew vowels that are spacing glyphs: holam male
and
shuruq. Neither one is encoded in Unicode. Neither one is a Hebrew letter
(in the traditional sense) nor is either
to a new base
character. If this is so, I'd appreciate an explanation of why, because
I
don't understand it.
Assertions of the form Mark X is only used with base form Y have proven
to
be false too often in the past.
All the more reason to avoid introducing more marks.
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On Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:06 PM, John Cowan wrote:
Ted Hopp scripsit:
1. It corresponds to standard Hebrew grammar.
2. It would be simple and easy to explain to users, edit, handle in
keyboards, etc.
It would be no problem to have a holam male key that generated two
consecutive
.
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dots. :)
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markup, which can apparently solve all
problems).
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straight-forward. For the people trying to
actually use the encoding, it's going to take a lot of context to
determine
what you've got.
Yes, indeed. Nothing like an encoding that can't be decoded. :)
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On Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:39 PM, Kent Karlsson wrote:
Ted Hopp wrote:
When I first
saw it, I had assumed that FB4B was supposed to be used for
kholam male (and that's what we use it for in our code).
FB4B;HEBREW LETTER VAV WITH HOLAM;Lo;0;R;05D5 05B9N;
FB4B is *canonically
it. (Witness the effort put forth by the UYIP folks in
getting HEBREW LETTER YOD WITH HIRIQ [FB1D] accepted.)
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Where is a kholam attached to the right of an alef?
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of Numbers
15:40 (seventh word for those who don't count maqaf as a word break). The
images were scanned from The Tanach, Stone Edition, Mesorah Publications,
New York, 1996. The book includes the credit Typography by CompuScribe at
ArtScroll Studios, Ltd.
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proposal should be prepared to push it
through the system.
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On Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ted Hopp wrote on 07/29/2003 01:20:08 PM:
The two vowels kholam male and shuruq have nothing to do with the
consonant
vav (HEBREW LETTER VAV) other than that they are written with the same
glyph.
If they are written
On Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:09 PM, Peter Kirk wrote:
On 30/07/2003 15:28, Ted Hopp wrote:
Where is a kholam attached to the right of an alef?
Well, for a start in every occurrence of ro'sh head, lo' not, zo't
this (f.), vayyo'mer and he said and several other common words in
the Bible
4.0 chapters will be posted
online very soon -- at which point it would be helpful if everyone
concerned about this issue takes the time to read the latest on
these characters in particular.
Any schedule on when this required reading will be available?
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an alphabetic presentation form for sheva na?
With that, I'll leave off.
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code points for each use of vav.
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but I just want to know if that's what you are saying.
Also, I don't understand in what sense the normalization *algorithm* gets
broken by changing combining classes. Could someone elaborate?
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of combining
classes that would break (in ways apart from normalization breaking) if the
assignments for the Hebrew vowels were changed? We might as well be sure
that we know the entire scope of the issues involved.
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from others on this list about what the specific technical (not political)
impacts would be (both positive and negative) on their work and their
products that would come from fixing the combining classes of the existing
vowels.
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Thanks, Ken. That sensitizes me to some of the problems involved with
breaking stability.
If I recall correctly, the suggestion for using CGJ for yerushala(y)im was
to encode it as: ...lamed, patah, cgj, hiriq, final mem. Also, I seem to
recall that this gave some people heartburn because CGJ was
On 08/07/2003 13:01, Peter Kirk wrote:
[regarding Haralambous] ... can you remind us of the
reference and if possible the URL?
Typesetting the Holy Bible in Hebrew, with TEX
Yannis Haralambous
EuroTEX Proceedings 1994
TUGboat 15(3):174-191, September, 1994
I've found it on-line at:
bathamasat, were deprecated. Four others are
strongly discouraged.
Is it just me, or is the language from the web site confusing? (I know--it's
just me. :-))
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for only the small number of attested sequences. In
view of this principle, the current combining class values are at odds with
definition D46 (combining class; section 3.11) as well as with the
discussion in 2.10 on multiple combining characters. That is what should be
fixed.
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regarding modern Hebrew character usage.
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-in, and Apple is very committed to good Java support on OS X.
Regards,
Ted
P.S. Backwards is only if you think forwards means left-to-right.
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trying to do it right by working through the political
process with these other organizations. The time it takes is time well
spent.
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