Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
You make a confusion: I do not propose "hacking" existing codes, but instead adding new codes for private variations. It's then up to PUV sequence authors to choose an appropropriate base character that can have the properties they want to be inherited by the private-use variation sequence, or to

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:10:35 +0200 "Janusz S. Bień via Unicode" wrote: > What kind of software do you have in mind? > > I'm primarily interested in the locally developed programs > > https://bitbucket.org/jsbien/unihistext/ > > https://bitbucket.org/jsbien/fntsample-fork-with-ucd-comments/

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Thu, Aug 23 2018 at 17:11 +0100, unicode@unicode.org writes: > On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:10:35 +0200 > "Janusz S. Bień via Unicode" wrote: > >> What kind of software do you have in mind? >> >> I'm primarily interested in the locally developed programs >> >>

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Thu, Aug 23 2018 at 17:26 +0100, unicode@unicode.org writes: > On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:39:15 +0200 > Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > >> You make a confusion: I do not propose "hacking" existing codes, but >> instead adding new codes for private variations. It's then up to PUV >> sequence

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:39:15 +0200 Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > You make a confusion: I do not propose "hacking" existing codes, but > instead adding new codes for private variations. It's then up to PUV > sequence authors to choose an appropropriate base character that can > have the

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
Le jeu. 23 août 2018 à 18:31, Richard Wordingham via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> a écrit : > On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:39:15 +0200 > Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > > > You make a confusion: I do not propose "hacking" existing codes, but > > instead adding new codes for private variations.

Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

2018-08-23 Thread Julian Wels via Unicode
I think Blissymbols could be a separate, well-defined script in Unicode because they are already more or less well defined by their respective groups. This community of interest can lobby for these implementations as a whole instead of multiple individuals separately. Emoji were born in quite a

Re: Aw: Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

2018-08-23 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
Still, pronouns may be universal, but their features aren't... Pronouns in Japanese are not a closed class, and it is not uncommon to use a person's name/title instead of "you".  Happens in English and other languages too, with extremely formal speech, even down to conjugating with 3rd-person

Re: Aw: Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

2018-08-23 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 08/23/2018 06:48 AM, Asmus Freytag (c) via Unicode wrote: On 8/23/2018 3:28 AM, "Jörg Knappen" wrote: Asmus, I know your style of humor, but to keep it straight: All known human languages, even Piraha, have pronouns for "I" and "you". And languages like Japanese, tend to use them - mostly

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Rebecca Bettencourt via Unicode
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:10 AM, Janusz S. Bień wrote: > > I already provide this myself for my uses of the PUA as well as the > > CSUR and any vendor-specific agreements I can find: > > > > http://www.kreativekorp.com/charset/PUADATA/ > > I would prefer to see the data in a repository, so

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Thu, Aug 23 2018 at 22:17 +0300, e...@gnu.org writes: >> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 20:30:52 +0200 >> Cc: Richard Wordingham >> From: "Janusz S. Bień via Unicode" >> >> >> and in Emacs - to my disappointed it looks like the Unicode data are >> >> set at the compile time, but perhaps this can be

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 20:34:20 +0200 "Janusz S. Bień via Unicode" wrote: > This is a typical but IMHO obsolete perspective. Fonts are for > *rendering*, new characters and variants are more and more often > needed for *input* of real life old texts with sufficient precision. If we're talking

Emacs Verbose Character Entry (was Private Use Areas)

2018-08-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Thu, 23 Aug 2018 21:47:03 +0200 "Janusz S. Bień via Unicode" wrote: > My needs are very simple, for example C-x 8 Return LATIN CAPITAL > LETTER A WITH MACRON AND BREVE [MUFI] should yield the character with > the code E010. I can provide the list of names and codes. While it should obviously

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 11:58:58 +0200 Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: > For now there's still no way to have variant sequences unless they are > registered and standardized by Unicode but registration should be not > needed (forbidden) for sequences containing PUV. I believe this scheme is no

Re: Aw: Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

2018-08-23 Thread Asmus Freytag (c) via Unicode
On 8/23/2018 3:28 AM, "Jörg Knappen" wrote: Asmus, I know your style of humor, but to keep it straight: All known human languages, even Piraha, have pronouns for "I" and "you". And languages like Japanese, tend to use them - mostly not. Even if the concepts are known, and can be named, there

Aw: Re: Thoughts on working with the Emoji Subcommittee (was Re: Thoughts on Emoji Selection Process)

2018-08-23 Thread Jörg Knappen
Asmus,   I know your style of humor, but to keep it straight:   All known human languages, even Piraha, have pronouns for "I" and "you".   --Jörg Knappen   Gesendet: Montag, 20. August 2018 um 16:20 Uhr Von: "Asmus Freytag via Unicode" An: unicode@unicode.org Betreff: Re: Thoughts on

Re: Private Use areas

2018-08-23 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Tue, Aug 21 2018 at 11:23 -0700, unicode@unicode.org writes: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode > wrote: > > I think PUA users should provide the > properties of the characters used in a form analogical to the Unicode > itself, and the software should be able to