Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-14 Thread Doug Ewell
gfb hjjhjh wrote: > So, according to the emoji FAQ > , > the end goal of emoji is to have no emoji? Or something like > Softbank's escape sequence? > >> Q: What is the longer term plan for emoji? >> A: The Unicode Consortium encourages the use of

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-13 Thread Garth Wallace
On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 1:39 AM, gfb hjjhjh wrote: > So, according to the emoji FAQ > , the end goal of emoji is to > have no emoji? Or something like Softbank's escape sequence? > >Q: What is the longer term plan for emoji? > >A:

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-13 Thread gfb hjjhjh
So, according to the emoji FAQ , the end goal of emoji is to have no emoji? Or something like Softbank's escape sequence? >Q: What is the longer term plan for emoji? >A: The Unicode Consortium encourages the use of embedded graphics (a.k.a. “stickers”)

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:48 AM Rebecca T <637...@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I think a good response to “that’d _double_ the codepoints, so we > should just add a ligature” is “if it would be such a burden to implement > that you don’t want to use space in the charts for what are,

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread Oren Watson
I think ultimately there isn't an end goal. Unlike most of the other languages/scripts that unicode supports, emoji is currently in a state of rapid, decentralized, and asynchronous evolution and development, with various companies and communities contributing new ideas every year. It doesn't have

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread Charlotte Buff
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 20:14:31 + David Starner > wrote: > Because the vendors want it. I wouldn't say so in general. Emoji fonts are far more work than regular black-and-white vectors and I honestly believe that vendors with PNG-based fonts like Apple and Google are slowly reaching the point

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread Rebecca T
Agreed. I think a good response to “that’d _double_ the codepoints, so we should just add a ligature” is “if it would be such a burden to implement that you don’t want to use space in the charts for what are, fundamentally, hundreds of *semantically different* ideographs, why are we dumping that

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread Oren Watson
I am the maker of a similar project to unifont, albeit a work in progress (see link below), and I certainly won't be supporting anything more than gender-neutral, race-neutral emoji. This is due to technical considerations: I don't plan on having colors in my font. The GNU unifont project already

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread Philippe Verdy
I think that emojis at the minimum shoudl all be dispalyable isolately, without being required to form pseudo ligatures or to use colors. Skin colors can still be displayed with a patchwork-like rectangle after it and could still use monochromaic pattern fills. The number of combinations is

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread Rebecca T
Sure, and kanji have romanisations but that doesn’t make the latin alphabet language neutral. And yes, emoji were supposed to be language neutral but all the implementers made them default to male. I think you have an *argument* with skin-tone neutrality but I think you’d be hard-pressed to find

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread Doug Ewell
Leonardo Boiko wrote: Gosh, even I wouldn't have gone that far. -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread Rebecca T
Well, I think it’s definitely important to have representation and expression for people of all skin tones and genders even in things like emoji. I think we’re rapidly reaching a limit for variation sequences, and I’m personally not begging for hair color modifiers (although I would welcome

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread zelpa
>"all ethnicities deserve equal representation in media" or "all combinations of genders and professions should be considered equally" I wasn't aware that bald yellow people were a race, sorry. If anything, adding the skintone modifiers has made me feel LESS included, what if I don't fit in to one

Re: Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread Leonardo Boiko
Yes, the end goal of the Unicode Consortium is media attention by way of virtue signaling. For every online article about emoji modifiers, each individual member of the Consortium earns a fifty-Euro bonus from our masters, the global feminist cultural-Marxist Jewish conspiracy, for our support in

Emoji end goal

2016-10-12 Thread zelpa
So what exactly is the end goal for emoji? First we had the fitzpatrick skin modifiers, now there's the proposal for gendered emoji sequences using ZWJ. There was even the proposal for the hair colour modifier in TR 53. So what is the true end goal? Will we one day be able to display our Fallout 4