Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 26 Oct. 2016, at 3:26 pm, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > > ON a "wait 0 with messages", does this effectively put the next line in the > queue as the last (first? random?) entry for the current (next?) > millisecond? I think I'll need an interpreter to understand that question

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Mark Wieder
On 10/25/2016 05:29 PM, hh wrote: send in -the seconds seconds ? Job has to be done in 1970 ... When I was a young man with curly hair. In that case you don't want "send *in* " What you need is "send *to* " -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Monte Goulding
Perhaps this in addition to a callback / dialog? > On 26 Oct. 2016, at 2:43 pm, Charles Warwick > wrote: > > Monte, Trevor, > > My preference for handling the overriding of HTTPS certificates would be by > adding the ability within libUrl to "get" the SSL

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > send “foo” in 0 > —> insert script taking longer than 1 millisecond here > send “bar” in -1 millisecond > > “bar” will be handled after “foo" This leads to the next question. ON a "wait 0 with messages", does this

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Charles Warwick
Monte, Trevor, My preference for handling the overriding of HTTPS certificates would be by adding the ability within libUrl to "get" the SSL certificate of a particular site (for example a self-signed one), and then "add" that SSL certificate to a CA store that is utilised by the libUrl

Re: How do I codesign an App?

2016-10-25 Thread William Prothero
Trevor: Thanks a bunch! I haven’t played with the GLX App Framework, but I will and use that code. This is something that really needs to be in the IDE. Its SUCH a common thing to do and can be so frustrating. The other problem I get into is having a bunch of certificates that don’t work and I

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 26 Oct. 2016, at 11:29 am, hh wrote: > > send in -the seconds seconds ? > Job has to be done in 1970 ... When I was a young man with curly hair. > > Monte, please build a time machine. ;-) The issue is this: send “foo” in 0 —> insert script taking longer than 1

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 26 Oct. 2016, at 11:24 am, Trevor DeVore wrote: > >> One thing I might as well say now as I’ll say it in review anyway is it >> would be better to set individual hosts rather than the entire list in one >> hit to reduce the risk of different user code clobbering

Re: How do I codesign an App?

2016-10-25 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 6:48 PM, tbodine wrote: > > But even with successful signing, Apple manages to rub salt into the wound > with this bug If you codesign for Mac as a third party developer for > distribution outside of the app store, then people

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread hh
send in -the seconds seconds ? Job has to be done in 1970 ... When I was a young man with curly hair. Monte, please build a time machine. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > > On 26 Oct. 2016, at 3:25 am, Trevor DeVore > wrote: > > > > https://github.com/trevordevore/livecode/commit/ > 6a5bc42abebca23e6b8aa611c8f0966b221441c6

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 26 Oct. 2016, at 11:13 am, hh wrote: > > [1] There is also Jacque's recent(?) info: send may also be called with a > negative argument in order to overtake the current queue: >send doIt to stack worker in -1 millisecs Actually this does not guarantee that the message

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread hh
... [3] Or try to use send doIt to stack worker in 0 millisecs this is 16 times faster than 0 ticks ;-) ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread hh
[1] There is also Jacque's recent(?) info: send may also be called with a negative argument in order to overtake the current queue: send doIt to stack worker in -1 millisecs [2] Or try to use "call" that has one big advantage: "call" preserves the target, not "send", not "dispatch" see

Re: How do I codesign an App?

2016-10-25 Thread tbodine
It is VERY frustrating, though I was able to get codesigning to work earlier this year using AppWrapper 3. But even with successful signing, Apple manages to rub salt into the wound with this bug If you codesign for Mac as a third party developer for distribution outside of the app store,

Re: How do I codesign an App?

2016-10-25 Thread William Prothero
Well, I purchased a month of App Wrapper 3. The only complaint in the App Wrapper log is that is is not Sandboxed and Apple will reject it. App Wrapper indicates that the app and installer are successfully signed, but that Apple will reject it because it is not sandboxed. My problem is that

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: > You might consider using 'dispatch' instead of 'send' if you really want > it to execute the moment that line shows up. I read somewhere the dispatch > is more performant anyways. > > to be clear: I would certainly

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Mark Talluto
> On Oct 25, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > > I (like I assume many others) have a number of places with blocks like > > > > send doIt to stack worker in 0 > > wait 0 with messages > > doSomethingElse > > > > I'm seeing a

More unreproducible oddities in 8--text semi-lock of mousedown

2016-10-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
I've seen this sporadically as long as I can remember, but it seems to grab a couple of times a day in 8 on mac. The mouse is apparently thought to be down for text selection in the script editor. This makes it difficult to select any other object, and blocks key-commands. I generally

Re: How do I codesign an App?

2016-10-25 Thread William Prothero
By the way, I purchased App Wrapper3 a year ago and after discussions with its author, I wasn’t able to get it working correctly. I don’t know if it’s fixed yet, but I hate to spend the money on something that doesn’t work. Shouldn’t Livecode help with this? Bill > On Oct 25, 2016, at 2:09 PM,

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > Send in time has does not guarantee when a message will be sent. It’s ASAP > after the event time. If there is a pending message that should be handled > before the message you sent then it will be handled and then you

Re: conversion of field margins from older version to 8

2016-10-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Aren't the fields picking up the text formatting of the stack, unless > special formatting has been applied to the field? Does the stack have > margin properties?? If so, setting the stack properties should affect

RE: conversion of field margins from older version to 8

2016-10-25 Thread Ralph DiMola
The stack does not seem to have this property. I get "no such property" if I try a "put the margins of this card" in the message box although the card does have margins in the inspector. Ralph -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf

How do I codesign an App?

2016-10-25 Thread William Prothero
Hi, I am rebuilding an app because it throws security violations when downloaded from my web site. It says it is from an unknown developer, and my users can’t launch it. Ok, so how the heck do I codesign the app? I’m using LC 8.1.1. There is a place in standalone preferences for “signature”,

Re: conversion of field margins from older version to 8

2016-10-25 Thread Bob Sneidar
Aren't the fields picking up the text formatting of the stack, unless special formatting has been applied to the field? Does the stack have margin properties?? If so, setting the stack properties should affect all the fields with no special formatting applied. Bob S On Oct 25, 2016, at 11:28

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 26 Oct. 2016, at 6:55 am, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > *unless* there is an opportunity to execute it, such as (exclusively?) > "Wait with messages", at which point the message due is supposed to be > checked. > > send in time is supposed to return a message queue id of the

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:28 PM, mwieder wrote: > That's the way the "send" command works. See the dictionary for details. > > If you "send" a command it's executed immediately, before anything else in > the current handler. > If you "send in time" it's executed *after*

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Lyn Teyla
Bob Sneidar wrote: > True, but isn't the issue that a malformed cert including self signed certs > are rejected? A self signed cert is not insecure, it's just less secure than > a root signed cert, and only because a background check has been done against > the cert owner. Otherwise a self

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread mwieder
That's the way the "send" command works. See the dictionary for details. If you "send" a command it's executed immediately, before anything else in the current handler. If you "send in time" it's executed *after* the current handler finishes. - -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com --

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 26 Oct. 2016, at 3:25 am, Trevor DeVore wrote: > > I’m working on a libURL addition that will allow you to specify hosts that > should bypass SSL verification without turning it off completely. That way > you let the user know a certificate wasn’t verified but

Re: Lock cursor fails

2016-10-25 Thread panagiotis merakos
Hi Bill, It is a known issue, and it affects only the IDE ( http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18549) Best, Panos -- On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:06 PM, William Prothero wrote: > So far, I only see this in the IDE, on OSX, 10.11.6. It is ok in OSX > standalones.

RE: conversion of field margins from older version to 8

2016-10-25 Thread Ralph DiMola
I'm late to the game here. I've been buried converting to LC 8 and have not yet tried to figure this one out yet. This is because the margins on mobile (iOS and Android) are still rendering the same as LC 6/7. For me this only affect the IDE as I am not deploying to desktop. In the IDE the margins

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > > I (like I assume many others) have a number of places with blocks like > > > > send doIt to stack worker in 0 > > wait 0 with messages > > doSomethingElse > > > > I'm seeing a

Re: Lock cursor fails

2016-10-25 Thread William Prothero
So far, I only see this in the IDE, on OSX, 10.11.6. It is ok in OSX standalones. I’m now testing on Windows 10 and will get back. Bill > On Oct 25, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Richard Gaskin > wrote: > > William Prothero wrote: > > > I’m updating an old project and find

Re: Lock cursor fails

2016-10-25 Thread Richard Gaskin
William Prothero wrote: > I’m updating an old project and find that “lock cursor” no longer > works. Are you seeing this in standalones or just in the IDE only? If the latter it may be this confirmed issue: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18549 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World

Re: Lock cursor fails

2016-10-25 Thread William Prothero
Ok, it only fails in the IDE. I can live with that. Bill > On Oct 25, 2016, at 10:22 AM, William Prothero > wrote: > > Folks: > I know there was a recent post about this, but can’t find it. Anyway, I’m > updating an old project and find that “lock cursor” no longer

Lock cursor fails

2016-10-25 Thread William Prothero
Folks: I know there was a recent post about this, but can’t find it. Anyway, I’m updating an old project and find that “lock cursor” no longer works. Is there a workaround? I can make an image follow the cursor and approximate the older behavior, but unless I can do something with the cursor,

Re: sluggishness of 8.1.1 on send in 0/wait 0 pairs?

2016-10-25 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: > I (like I assume many others) have a number of places with blocks like > > send doIt to stack worker in 0 > wait 0 with messages > doSomethingElse > > I'm seeing a situation in which the code hits "DoSomethingElse" > before the "doIt" happens. If you want to ensure "doIt"

Problems with LC 9.0.0 (dp 1)

2016-10-25 Thread hlowe
I have been using LC 9.0.0 (dp 1) for a about a week. Overall it appears quite stable. I have encountered two issues that impact my work on an iOS app, that you might want to know about: 1. Bug #17779 (which prevented use of Accelerated Rending in LC 8) is fixed in LC 9.0.0 (dp 1). However there

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > True, but isn't the issue that a malformed cert including self signed > certs are rejected? A self signed cert is not insecure, it's just less > secure than a root signed cert, and only because a background check

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Bob Sneidar
True, but isn't the issue that a malformed cert including self signed certs are rejected? A self signed cert is not insecure, it's just less secure than a root signed cert, and only because a background check has been done against the cert owner. Otherwise a self signed cert is just as valid if

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Ben Rubinstein
Thanks Lyn, that's exactly what I needed! I should have spotted it myself in the dictionary, but failed. Many thanks, Ben On 25/10/2016 16:18, Lyn Teyla wrote: Ben Rubinstein wrote: If an "https" site has a misconfigured certificate, most browsers will tell you what the problem is - and

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Lyn Teyla
Ben Rubinstein wrote: > If an "https" site has a misconfigured certificate, most browsers will tell > you what the problem is - and generally give you an option (more or less > hidden) to ignore the warning and load the resource anyway. > > Loading the same resource from LC using libURL, the

Re: override HTTPS certificate failure

2016-10-25 Thread Bob Sneidar
+1 there ought to be a way to load the page anyway. We have, like so very many other companies an internal FQDN for our domain, and an external one strictly for the purpose of email. Why the two? Because of issues that crop up in your local DNS when creating multiple subdomains if the external

Re: Special Paste

2016-10-25 Thread Bob Sneidar
Oh right got it backwards. Bob S > On Oct 24, 2016, at 18:41 , hh wrote: > > @Bob. > After your answer I read Charles' question again. Probably he asks > for the other way: how to match the styled text of the 'paste-target' > *in LC*? > > @Charles. If this is correct, then

Re: conversion of field margins from older version to 8

2016-10-25 Thread hh
The text measurement of LC 8 was a lot improved for using 'modern' fonts. The _only_ disadvantage to see is the 'topmargin-bug' depending also on the font used (has it 'good' font metrics?). With my standard field-settings (LC's default) I use in preopenCard or preopenStack or ... preopenControl

Re: Clipboard problem

2016-10-25 Thread hh
The problem may come from the Unicode paragraph separator (0x2029). You could use Stephen's stack for inspecting the clipboard, see thread "Special paste". Possibly also MacOS 10.9.6 and later have a better clipboard-'conversion' support ... > Michael J.L. wrote: > I’ve just installed LiveCode

Re: Special Paste

2016-10-25 Thread hh
@Stephen. This is really a great stack. TMHO, it should become a 'standard' plugin for LC 8/9 (the 'old' clipboardData-version for LC 6/7). In the meantime, please upload it to "Sample Stacks" (livecodeshare)? > Stephen B. wrote: > I've updated my clipboard data exploring stack to include RAW

Re: Eureka Moment: preopencontrol

2016-10-25 Thread Mike Kerner
Right. If you poke around in the IDE for the documentation, you will see that there is a stack that has a tab control for the API or the user guide, and within that control is the browser widget. The documentation is stored in an sqlite database, and the code to do the rendering is in a

AW: How experimental is OS X 64-Bit mode?

2016-10-25 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Thanks Peter, thats what I wanted to hear Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Peter TB Brett Gesendet: Montag, 24. Oktober 2016 21:21 An: How to use LiveCode Betreff: Re: How

Re: Special Paste

2016-10-25 Thread stephen barncard
I've updated my clipboard data exploring stack to include RAW clipboard data. There's suddenly a lot of data in the clip. A good test is a Pages, Web or Word document text copied.. version 8 (legacy!) version go URL "http://fulton.barncard.com/stax/clipboardTest(8).livecode" version 9 go URL