Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-12 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Richmond Mathewson wrote: > So, I wonder why there is not a way of putting one's iPad app onot the > web in a way (and I don't mean via Cydia) > that will allow people to download it onto their tablets > independently, as one can do on an Android device? Because China. And maybe Singapore, and

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-12 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
A very interesting read - thanks Curry :) I guess I was very much focused on the specific clauses on downloading executable code - which is no longer just an Apple thing - Google's is now very similar (i.e. Stricter than it used to be) and I suspect the other app stores on android will follow s

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 08/11/2017 01:44 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: At the risk of starting a platform war. No platform war on my part. I hate operating systems. Linux comes closest to what I want because I can configure it, it (mostly) doesn't keep dumbing down the interface and (mostly) doesn

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Roger Eller via use-livecode
I recently heard that Apple is planning a revolutionary smartwatch which has calling functions built-in. Seriously, no need to carry a phone! Now Google it and see how many of these have existed for several years. Revolutionary idea stealin' bunch! lol ~Roger On Aug 11, 2017 4:44 PM, "J. Landm

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 8/11/17 10:51 AM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote: I'd be tempted to switch to an android (I actually had the original gphone), but the privacy, hacks, and whathaveyou stop me. At the risk of starting a platform war... I love my Mac but I don't like iOS. It's too dumbed down to be usef

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Mark: > I think Johnathan made the best point here - if you want into the > iOS world and the AppStore Apple provide you have to abide by their > rules. However, if you don't care about the AppStore, then just > jailbreak your phone and run free - no-one is stopping you. > It is entirely your c

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Roger Eller via use-livecode
You too, Richmond! I agree with you that it's more about Apple greed than making a safe, malware-free environment. Stay safe from the Kool-ade. :) Kind regards, ~Roger Roger Eller Graphics Systems Analyst 803 North Maple Street P: 864.967.1625 Simpsonville, SC 29681 C: 864.908.0337 SealedA

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
Wow, Roger! You have "out devil's advocated me". Hope you have a great weekend. Richmond. On 8/11/17 8:38 pm, Roger Eller via use-livecode wrote: On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: On 2017-08-11 19:22, Richmond Mathewson

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Roger Eller via use-livecode
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 2017-08-11 19:22, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > >> So, I wonder why there is not a way of putting one's iPad app onot the >> web in a way (and I don't mean via Cydia) >> th

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Well, I always drive below the speed limit and I always wear a seatbelt > (and have always done so whether or not it was > a legal requirement in the country I happened to be living in at

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2017-08-11 19:22, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: So, I wonder why there is not a way of putting one's iPad app onot the web in a way (and I don't mean via Cydia) that will allow people to download it onto their tablets independently, as one can do on an Android device? There is -

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2017-08-11 18:49, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: Richmond, this may be rare but I'm 100% in agreement with you! My device, my management. I don't have the right to do something illegal or endanger others, but otherwise, I call the shots. Indeed - you are free to do whatever you want

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
On 8/11/17 8:18 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: On 2017-08-11 18:54, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: Now putting a LiveCode standalone onto an iPad that does thing that Apple doesn't like isn't always the same thing as putting things onto an iPad that is unsafe. I've a

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2017-08-11 18:54, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: Now putting a LiveCode standalone onto an iPad that does thing that Apple doesn't like isn't always the same thing as putting things onto an iPad that is unsafe. I've already pointed out that you can put whatever you want onto *you

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode
If we buy an iPad, we are buying both the device and the services that go with it. To use a service, like iTunes, we are agreeing to operate by their rules. It seems acceptable for Apple to impose restrictions on use of their device and their services simply because people have the choice to agr

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
Well, I always drive below the speed limit and I always wear a seatbelt (and have always done so whether or not it was a legal requirement in the country I happened to be living in at the time). This is not quite the same as keeping goats and hens in the back of your car (which was not illegal

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Richmond: > I cannot quite see how people are prepared to go on buying > Apple iPads when there are such draconian restrictions as to > what one can run on them. > While the Android "thing" may not be much better, at last one > can side-load almost anything one wants. > But, Like Richard Stall

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode
It seems that this is another reason to use LC's HTML5 deployment. Since external javascript is permitted, one could do the "sideloading" by accessing a website created with LC. It would just be an LC HTML5 app displayed inside of a browser widget. Of course, it would be easy to abuse this by a

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
In this case, the restrictions are to prevent malware from entering the app stores, which hardly sounds Draconian to me. Even so, there have been a handful of apps that made it through the vetting process and affected dozens or hundreds of users. It's rare but it has happened. -- Jacqueline La

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode
On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > It is important to remember that the majority of people who use mobile > phones, tablets and computers use them like they do their car or washing > machine. They have little interest in

Re: [OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2017-08-11 16:44, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: I cannot quite see how people are prepared to go on buying Apple iPads when there are such draconian restrictions as to what one can run on them. While the Android "thing" may not be much better, at last one can side-load almost an

[OT] Draconian computer company policies, was: Mobile LC Apps Downloading Stacks After installation

2017-08-11 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
I cannot quite see how people are prepared to go on buying Apple iPads when there are such draconian restrictions as to what one can run on them. While the Android "thing" may not be much better, at last one can side-load almost anything one wants. But, Like Richard Stallman, I suffer from the