A very interesting read - thanks Curry :)

I guess I was very much focused on the specific clauses on downloading 
executable code - which is no longer just an Apple thing - Google's is now very 
similar (i.e. Stricter than it used to be) and I suspect the other app stores 
on android will follow suit.

I do think those clauses are about security (otherwise they seem to much of a 
blunt instrument) and from that point of view they can be considered reasonable 
(especially when the scale of the ecosystems is considered) - if incredibly 
irksome for us!

Of course other aspects of Apple's policies (and the fact it is their AppStore 
or nothing) are a different matter entirely - as you eloquently point out.

Warmest Regards,


Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Aug 2017, at 21:43, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Mark:
> > I think Johnathan made the best point here - if you want into the
> > iOS world and the AppStore Apple provide you have to abide by their
> > rules. However, if you don't care about the AppStore, then just
> > jailbreak your phone and run free - no-one is stopping you.
> > It is entirely your choice :)
> No, it's not merely a personal matter by any stretch of the imagination. This 
> is a social and tech reality that affects all of us, our technological 
> environment. You are framing this as primarily a security matter to save the 
> masses, with a handy personal jail break or xCode opt-out that solves the 
> matter for any individual who feels differently. (No thanks on JB, nor do I 
> generally recommend that to others. Nor is my interest mainly personal, but 
> rather as a consultant and developer. I doubt most true end users feel comfy 
> with xCode, assuming they even have a Mac.) Sorry, I tend to be a frame 
> breaker! It's missing out on the bigger picture of Apple's system, and 
> similarly the impact of tech trends, not only from Apple but other major 
> players.
> Much more complex, and it affects us far beyond our own choices. While 
> someone here is waxing poetic about the security benefits, at one time or 
> another someone has likely iPhoned that person's own data around insecurely 
> in ways that would alarm you! Perhaps it has happened to you too without your 
> knowledge. I've seen it too many times, very widespread. Often by people 
> working for a reputable company or providing a vital professional service, 
> but clueless or careless. Neither is the data completely secure even with 
> companies that are more careful - the masses don't realize that. At the same 
> time people are desensitized to sharing more data than ever. That makes them 
> - and through them, sometimes you - very vulnerable.
> Security goes way beyond malware. Security is an integral part of Apple's 
> system, but it's not a system primarily for the sake of security. Fairly easy 
> to have safe apps outside of a particular app store. One way would be setting 
> up other download repositories that are checked. Another is using networked 
> antivirus systems, which are already popular and advanced.
> Going beyond security - breaking that frame again - it's much bigger. 
> Richmond already had some good points, so maybe I don't need to add any, but 
> for example: Actual publishing standards and choices are not all about 
> security, quality, decency, and good style as advertised. Marketing versus 
> reality. What viewpoints, topics, or potentially beneficial technologies 
> might be suppressed? That would not be a big deal when there are multiple 
> venues, but when there is one....
> The whole society is also affected by tech trends, and the circle goes 
> around, consumer behavior and choices, how professionals use and sometimes 
> misuse the tech (I'm seeing that too, it can be within the law but extremely 
> harmful for consumers), data expectations and proliferation, 
> over-availability or under-availability of information, control, ideology, 
> intrusive or invasive trends, healthy awareness and ability versus dangerous 
> dumbing down and complacency, more comprehensive security versus a sense of 
> security or partial security, the effects of dependency on a single venue and 
> its viewpoint and its quirks - in the end, everyone is touched.
> Perceiving how technology trends impact society, and in turn come back to 
> impact each of us, is very valuable and all too easy to overlook as we rush 
> to keep up with those trends and create new ones. Definitely worth a look for 
> those who don't want to avoid one type of risk only to fall into another! 
> Stay safe. Hope everyone is doing well -- I haven't been able to pop up much 
> here in the list lately.
> Best wishes,
> Curry Kenworthy
> Custom Software Development
> http://curryk.com/consulting/
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