Re: Make numberFormat even better AND Cognitive Load

2017-04-27 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Yup. I do that a lot. Where I have an issue is dividing up a block of time into multiple segments, where the minutes may not divide evenly between all the segments. So I produced this: function timeTable pStartTime, pStartLunch, pEndLunch, pEndTime, pItemCount set the itemDelimiter to ":"

Re: Make numberFormat even better AND Cognitive Load

2017-04-27 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
On the topic of keeping LC stupid-simple, here's of one of those ways that LC makes ugly math fun: # put the short date into theDate convert theDate to dateItems put 0 into item 3 of theDate convert theDate to short date put theDate # On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I th

Re: Make numberFormat even better AND Cognitive Load

2017-04-26 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I think 3 is something we should scratch off the list, since we have more important fish for you to fry. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 2017-04-26 16:00, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote: > >> Ok, I'll shut up abou

Re: Make numberFormat even better AND Cognitive Load

2017-04-26 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2017-04-26 16:00, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote: Ok, I'll shut up about this for now. Sorry to unfocus the thread. To be fair, I managed to conflate three issues: 1) Improving numberFormat 2) How we could get arbitrary precision integers whilst retaining doubles for reals 3)

Re: Make numberFormat even better AND Cognitive Load

2017-04-26 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Folks, This thread addresses two issues with numbers. The main issue being discussed is the display of numbers. This is very important and the main point of diddling with numberformat. I like the idea of making a behavior we can all use to format numbers in a variety of ways. The other one is t

Re: Make numberFormat even better AND Cognitive Load

2017-04-26 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Curry, This is great and best of all is the table of examples. This, in the dictionary, would have made my thrashing around with format, to get what In wanted a lot easier. Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On Apr 26, 2017, at 2:31 AM, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode > wrote:

Re: Make numberFormat even better AND Cognitive Load

2017-04-26 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Roland: I vote for the LC-NATIVE "Excel style" number format (enhanced numberFormat in LC, not a new one, no depreciation, but just different ways to achieve the same) Excel number format is powerful and popular, that's for sure. Richard: The Excel spec is a guide, but not an implementatio

Re: Make numberFormat even better AND Cognitive Load

2017-04-25 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Roland Huettmann wrote: > AGAIN -- having read all - I vote for the LC-NATIVE "Excel style" > number format (enhanced numberFormat in LC, not a new one, no > depreciation, but just different ways to achieve the same) and the > ability of fields (text controls) to express at least the same > styl

Make numberFormat even better AND Cognitive Load

2017-04-25 Thread Roland Huettmann via use-livecode
d routines. I am thinking of the ATTRACTION TO THE LANGUAGE especially for NEWBIES, young people, retired people, who have not much or no experience at all with computer languages. There is a huge market. So, I am stretching out beyond numberFormat -- more into Cognitive Load -- another nice discu

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-24 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
A very well known historical figure once said that two would be sleeping, one would be taken and the other left. 2 would be grinding grain, one would be taken the other left. Two would be working in the field, one would be taken the other left. People sleep at night, grind grain in the morning,

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-24 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Because the point in question is cognitive load, not what you brought up. What the student gets out of the encounter is a wholly different question, but argueably related, as the idea if I understand it right is that if the cognitive load is too high early on in the learning process, the

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-24 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
very cognitive of you. :-) Bob S > On Apr 22, 2017, at 16:29 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode > wrote: > > So I assume that smaller is better ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-23 Thread jbv via use-livecode
ce between a 'fact' (as in "this > concrete is hard, as you will see if you hit it with your first") and > widely held beliefs which may later prove to be erroneous. > > "Cognitive Load" is a theory, and NOT a collection of facts. > > > https://en.

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
On 4/23/17 6:01 pm, Keith Martin via use-livecode wrote: On 23 Apr 2017, at 15:14, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: Until about 1600 is was a "well-known fact" that the world was flat Heh. Nice analogy. Except that even this fact itself isn't true! Very few facts ultimately turn

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-23 Thread Keith Martin via use-livecode
On 23 Apr 2017, at 15:14, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: Until about 1600 is was a "well-known fact" that the world was flat Heh. Nice analogy. Except that even this fact itself isn't true! Most educated people much further back than that believed that the Earth was round. Coperni

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
"a well-known fact" Actually this is a fairly subjective finding, and it is not a bad idea to work out the difference between a 'fact' (as in "this concrete is hard, as you will see if you hit it with your first") and widely held beliefs which may later prove to

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-23 Thread jbv via use-livecode
On Sun, April 23, 2017 9:55 am, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: > I'm not sure why smaller should necessarily be better. > It is actually, and the cognitive load approach, especially for programmers newbies, is quite relevant. Newbies have to deal with 2 or 3 things simulta

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
other* measurement – related but not the same. Even harder to measure, I'm sure. The cognitive load of a menu-driven scripting system such as early versions of Flash was very low indeed (despite being rooted in an animation timeline concept) – but it was itself very limited. I think it's

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-23 Thread Keith Martin via use-livecode
er to measure, I'm sure. The cognitive load of a menu-driven scripting system such as early versions of Flash was very low indeed (despite being rooted in an animation timeline concept) – but it was itself very limited. I think it's good that this Southern Cross U comparison didn'

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-23 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
a use-livecode wrote: So I assume that smaller is better On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: Since cognitive load came up in the other thread about numberFormat, some of you may find this paper very interesting: Usin

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-22 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote: Since cognitive load came up in the other thread about numberFormat, some of you may find this paper very interesting: Using Cognitive Load Theory to select an Environment for Teaching Mobile Apps Development Raina

Re: Cognitive load

2017-04-22 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
So I assume that smaller is better On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Since cognitive load came up in the other thread about numberFormat, some > of you may find this paper very interesting: > > > Using

Cognitive load

2017-04-22 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Since cognitive load came up in the other thread about numberFormat, some of you may find this paper very interesting: Using Cognitive Load Theory to select an Environment for Teaching Mobile Apps Development Raina Mason, Southern Cross University Graham Cooper, Southern Cross University