Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Sneidar
By that reasoning, Livecode should recreate all the API’s Apple provides, rolling their own. And then we will get to gripe when they don’t work anymore after updating our OS. C’mon guys. For better or worse, ALL OS developers have to continue to innovate. If Apple’s OS troubles you, you can

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Sneidar wrote: By that reasoning, Livecode should recreate all the API’s Apple provides, rolling their own. In a sense, that's what LiveCode opens up for us with Open Language, a chance to use OS APIs directly. And smartly, if we choose to use APIs Apple later deprecates, it's up to us

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-10 Thread Richmond
On 10/12/14 19:17, Bob Sneidar wrote: By that reasoning, Livecode should recreate all the API’s Apple provides, rolling their own. And then we will get to gripe when they don’t work anymore after updating our OS. C’mon guys. For better or worse, ALL OS developers have to continue to innovate.

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-10 Thread Richmond
On 10/12/14 20:07, Richard Gaskin wrote: Bob Sneidar wrote: By that reasoning, Livecode should recreate all the API’s Apple provides, rolling their own. In a sense, that's what LiveCode opens up for us with Open Language, a chance to use OS APIs directly. And smartly, if we choose to use

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: On 10/12/14 20:07, Richard Gaskin wrote: And smartly, if we choose to use APIs Apple later deprecates, it's up to us rather than RunRev to update our scripts to conform with Apple's policy-du-jour. This is why it might not be a bad thing if Livecode can roll its own

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Sneidar
I’m only going off of posts made by Richmond over the years. (That’s probably only funny to Richmond). ;-) Bob S On Dec 10, 2014, at 10:07 , Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.commailto:ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: For better or worse, ALL OS developers have to continue to innovate.

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread William de Smet
Hi, Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the Yosemite color picker. I am also stuck with one row of colors. Greetings, William 2014-12-08 8:17 GMT+01:00 Howard Bornstein bornst...@designeq.com: I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Roger Guay
Poke around just between and above the Cancel and OK btns and you’ll find the sweet spot where the cursor turns to a hand. Roger On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William de Smet williamdes...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the Yosemite

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Geoff Canyon
William, I'm with you: no small dot, no resizing -- vertically, at least -- I can make the color picker wider up to a point. Here's a link to a screen shot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahzx78f6kzudgcl/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2013.56.46.png?dl=0 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Roger Guay

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread William de Smet
Hi Geoff, This is my ColorPicker. I only have one visible line. I am on Yosemite 10.10.1 with LC 6.6.5 on a 21,5 inch iMac. https://www.dropbox.com/s/pkqwsgvu6i5q7tz/ColorPickerYosemite.png?dl=0 greetings, William 2014-12-08 19:57 GMT+01:00 Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com: William, I'm

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Terence Heaford
Here’s my screen grab clearly showing the dot. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-08%20at%2019.45.37.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-08%20at%2019.45.37.png All the best Terry On 8 Dec 2014, at

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Howard Bornstein
Well, this is strange. I was checking out the color picker in Yosemite using TextEdit, which incidentally, doesn't have those Cancel and OK buttons, but has the dot to pull down the color dock. When I call up the color picker in LC, I get the same view as Geoff, with two lines of palette docks and

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Howard Bornstein
BTW, I'm on Yosemite 10.10 and LC 6.6.2. Maybe this is a function of version idiosyncrasies. On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com wrote: Here’s my screen grab clearly showing the dot.

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Terence Heaford
Should have said my screen shot showing the dot is LC community 6.7.1 (RC3) running on iMac 21.5 Yosemite 10.10.1 The dot show on TextEdit, Numbers, Pages. All the best Terry On 8 Dec 2014, at 19:49, Howard Bornstein bornst...@designeq.com wrote: Well, this is strange. I was checking

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Roger Guay
Aha, the thought plickens! I’m running Yosemite 10.10.1 and find the dot appearing in LC 6.7.1 (rc2) but NOT in LC 6.6.5 nor in 6.7. On Dec 8, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@btinternet.com wrote: Should have said my screen shot showing the dot is LC community 6.7.1 (RC3)

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Geoff Canyon
Here's mine in 6.6.2, which is the closest I have to 6.6.5. It has two rows, no matter how I resize it. I wonder if the international aspect is a factor here? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahqcye1nmp3jn2r/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2017.32.53.png?dl=0 On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Roger Guay

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Devin Asay
Yup, it’s a Cocoa thing. Not there in 6.6.x on Yosemite. Magically appears when you invoke the color picker in 6.7.x. Devin On Dec 8, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: Here's mine in 6.6.2, which is the closest I have to 6.6.5. It has two rows, no matter how I resize

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-08 Thread Roger Guay
Bummer! I find that versions 6.7.x are a problem for me, but I’ve also found that you can use the dot to reveal more swatches of the Color Picker in LC 6.7.1 (rc2), and it will stay “open” for when I go back to my current LC favorite, 6.6.5. Roger On Dec 8, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Devin Asay

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Graham Samuel
How much functionality do you want in a color picker? If you just want to allow a user to pick from a fixed set of colours, it’s easy to grow your own - cross-platform too. But of course that’s just a small subset of an OS’s picker. Graham On 6 Dec 2014, at 03:21, Roger Guay i...@mac.com

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Richmond
On 07/12/14 12:44, Graham Samuel wrote: How much functionality do you want in a color picker? If you just want to allow a user to pick from a fixed set of colours, it’s easy to grow your own - cross-platform too. But of course that’s just a small subset of an OS’s picker. Graham What I do

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Richmond
Just uploaded the color picker from the Mac Classic version of Runtime Revolution 2.0 to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87s ... C5ORa?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0 RCC.zip As far as I can see it is identical to the one from Metacard 2.5

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Richmond
On 07/12/14 12:44, Graham Samuel wrote: How much functionality do you want in a color picker? If you just want to allow a user to pick from a fixed set of colours, it’s easy to grow your own - cross-platform too. But of course that’s just a small subset of an OS’s picker. The color chooser

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
Perhaps so our apps would look native on every platform. The color picker is used for more than just development. On December 7, 2014 5:09:31 AM CST, Richmond wrote What I do not understand is why RunRev decided that Livecode should leverage an operating system's built-in colour picker

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Richmond
On 07/12/14 18:31, J. Landman Gay wrote: Perhaps so our apps would look native on every platform. The color picker is used for more than just development. BUT, it would have been quite possible to have a development color picker that was uniform across all platforms, and a way of leveraging

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Geoff Canyon
How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and it looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top: color wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself below that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color selected and

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Richmond
Have a look at this: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5t=22288 Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Howard Bornstein
The only differences I see from the color wheel in Snow Leopard is that the selected color choice is a small square at the bottom in Yosemite with an eye dropper and it's a bar across the top in Snow Leopard with a magnifying glass. The Saturation slider is on the bottom in Yosemite and down the

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/7/2014, 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote: BUT, it would have been quite possible to have a development color picker that was uniform across all platforms, and a way of leveraging the operating system's color picker in standalones . . . therefore having the best of both worlds. You can do that

I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Richmond
Feel free to download THIS: http://forums.livecode.com/download/file.php?id=4597 and you will suddenly love Livecode's built-in color picker. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Richmond
On 08/12/14 00:20, Richmond wrote: Feel free to download THIS: http://forums.livecode.com/download/file.php?id=4597 and you will suddenly love Livecode's built-in color picker. Richmond. That download URL seems problematic. Better go to the message and download from there:

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Roger Guay
You’re right of course, I was just overreacting to the ugliness of it. One thing I do miss is multiple lines of color patches where I kept track of the colors I use for various purposes. I do intend to roll my own to fix that, Roger On Dec 7, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Graham Samuel livf...@mac.com

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Roger Guay
Thanks again, Richmond. That will be very helpful when I build my own version. On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:48 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Just uploaded the color picker from the Mac Classic version of Runtime Revolution 2.0 to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87s ...

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Roger Guay
What I want is a one-stop place where I can record and manage the color palettes of each and every one of my projects. A subset of the OS picker, as you note. I’m working on it. Roger On Dec 7, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Graham Samuel livf...@mac.com wrote: How much functionality do you want in a

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Roger Guay
Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just one row of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and manage multiple projects. I realize now that It’s no biggie, and I overreacted! I’ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make up for

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Howard Bornstein
Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and you'll get 10 rows, just like earlier versions. On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay i...@mac.com wrote: Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just one row of color patches. I was used to using multiple

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Roger Guay
Thank you Howard! There’s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed. You don’t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point other than that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!! On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein bornst...@designeq.com wrote: Just pull down from the

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-07 Thread Howard Bornstein
I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian magnifying glass.;-) On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay i...@mac.com wrote: Thank you Howard! There’s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed. You don’t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point other

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-06 Thread Richmond
On 06/12/14 05:21, Roger Guay wrote: I’m sure the new color picker is totally Apple’s (Yosemite) fault, but I hate it? It’s ugly and not as functional as the old one. Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one? TIA, Roger There seems to be quite a lot to hate about

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-06 Thread stephen barncard
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what Apple thought they were doing. there's a UI department at apple that has to change SOMETHING to prove their worth. *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-06 Thread Roger Guay
Richmond, Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year ago? If so, is it still available? Thanks! Roger On Dec 6, 2014, at 1:43 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/12/14 05:21, Roger Guay wrote: I’m sure the new color picker is

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-06 Thread Richmond
On 06/12/14 22:12, Roger Guay wrote: Richmond, Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year ago? If so, is it still available? Thanks! Roger That's true: but I haven't a clue where it has gone. Possibly (???) I could just suck it out of the Metacard

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-06 Thread Roger Guay
No hurry, and no worries if you don’t. I can always use the ugly one. Thanks! On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/12/14 22:12, Roger Guay wrote: Richmond, Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-06 Thread Richmond
On 06/12/14 22:12, Roger Guay wrote: Richmond, Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year ago? If so, is it still available? Thanks! Roger The file 'CP.zip' here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0 Best,

Re: I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-06 Thread Roger Guay
Got it. Thanks very much! Cheers, Roger On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/12/14 22:12, Roger Guay wrote: Richmond, Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year ago? If so, is it still available?

I Hate the New Color Picker

2014-12-05 Thread Roger Guay
I’m sure the new color picker is totally Apple’s (Yosemite) fault, but I hate it? It’s ugly and not as functional as the old one. Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one? TIA, Roger ___ use-livecode mailing list