Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Yes absolutely. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone > On 17 May 2016, at 19:08, Jim Byrnes wrote: > >> On 05/13/2016 04:34 PM, stephen barncard wrote: >> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Dave Kilroy >> wrote: >> >>> My regards to all who have

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On 05/13/2016 04:34 PM, stephen barncard wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Dave Kilroy wrote: My regards to all who have pledged or who intend to pledge, no matter how little or how much - and I'll see you on the sunny side of the street some day! Kind

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Well if we want a really useful version of this feature that everyone can use, we need to build as many of those examples as possible and do the documentation around them. Lets define what is attainable at the end of the campaign, rather than today. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

The page is misleading, and I think that should be corrected. $76k isn't the target. That is three stretch goals in. $40k is the target. One of these two numbers looks attainable, the other does not, so if one wants to get pledges, maybe one should consider tweaking the page. On Tue, May 17,

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On 05/13/2016 02:00 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: I think a lot of people in our community have caught onto this unfair approach, and may have given up on responding to such surveys. Consequently, LiveCode Ltd., isn’t getting enough data to make correct assessments with their surveys. I stopped

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I have no doubt! LOL Cheers, Erik On 07:42, Mon, May 16, 2016 Monte Goulding wrote: > > > On 16 May 2016, at 3:40 PM, Erik Beugelaar wrote: > > > > for me it > > means Android because it has always been neglected to offer an easy to > use > > SDK for

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

> On 16 May 2016, at 3:40 PM, Erik Beugelaar wrote: > > for me it > means Android because it has always been neglected to offer an easy to use > SDK for Android. Nobody is looking forward to that more than me Erik I assure you ;-) Cheers Monte

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Correct but this thread started with Infinite LiveCode as a subject to express the need to accomplish a very important issue: connect to native API's of different platforms via widgets LCB development and esp. for me it means Android because it has always been neglected to offer an easy to use SDK

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

It does have an effect however resources are limited. One thing I've suggested is we start indicating whether there are resources available to work on the request in a reasonable timeframe. It could be a feature or a bug that is only an edge case that might not come to the top of the todo list.

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

ed it. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Infinite-LiveCode-Message-from-CEO-tp4704550p4704719.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I agree with Monte. The nice thing about the bug db is everyone can see it, and everyone can comment on it. If you have a feature "request" that you are promoting, you can just fire off a message over here with the number, and we can all pile on with our "YEAH, EDINBURGH!" comments until it's

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Ah, sorry Sid I should have clarified enhancement request also (it's the same form and site as for bugs). If you think something is missing then search the issue database for an enhancement request and if you don't see it write up what you need. Cheers Monte Sent from my iPhone > On 16 May

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I am sorry, but it is NOT always about a "bug report". While I concede the internet is oft used for pure negativity, a discussion of features and capabilities - especially those missing - is about facts. It is both proper and should be allowed. To express a fact and a concern is valid. To say

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I admit you are right. Richmond. On 14.05.2016 17:01, Richard Gaskin wrote: RM wrote: > AND, as to "complaining"; I often wonder where one draws the lines > between "complaints", positive criticism and negative criticism. I'd venture that filing a bug report is useful and productive, but

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Is the glass half empty, or half full? Life seems to be much happier for those focus their assessment on the half full part. In Livecode's case it seems to be 98% (or higher) full. But then we still can't forget about the last 2%, while still honoring the 98%. Anybody who has worked with Adobe

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Maybe better to just write the bug report.   Richard Gaskin   Fourth World Systems Amen. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

RM wrote: > AND, as to "complaining"; I often wonder where one draws the lines > between "complaints", positive criticism and negative criticism. I'd venture that filing a bug report is useful and productive, but waging a social media campaign about every annoyance with posts here, to the

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Some math of me ;-) (define infinite_liveCode (lambda(livecode_members) (lambda(pledge) (* livecode_members pledge)) )) Fill in the parameters above by yourself and RunRev is not asking this time too much to accomplish this: – You’ll be able to wrap complex C libraries

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On 14.05.2016 11:40, Monte Goulding wrote: I'm not overly fond of the direction this conversation is going. Us v them is unproductive and there are many benefits to the platform for going open source. AND, as to "complaining"; I often wonder where one draws the lines between "complaints"

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I'm not overly fond of the direction this conversation is going. Us v them is unproductive and there are many benefits to the platform for going open source. > AND, as to "complaining"; I often wonder where one draws the lines between > "complaints" > positive criticism and negative criticism.

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On 14.05.2016 02:06, Bob Sneidar wrote: On May 13, 2016, at 16:05 , Bob Sneidar wrote: Well you know, there are lies... and then there are damnable lies... and then there are detestably damnable lies... And then there are statistics! (roughly a quote of Mark

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On 14.05.2016 00:17, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 5/13/2016 2:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: My first gut reaction was "So, I and the other 24% minority of people paying for licenses are funding an awesome development tool that some 76% of you folks out there are using for free. What follows does

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I thought they both got it from Agnes Tore > 14. mai 2016 kl. 01.06 skrev Bob Sneidar : > > >> On May 13, 2016, at 16:05 , Bob Sneidar wrote: >> >> Well you know, there are lies... and then there are damnable lies... and >> then

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Sorry for the quoting mess. Apple Mail it seems cannot discern the quote level when I type AFTER the quoted text. Bob S > On May 13, 2016, at 16:11 , Bob Sneidar wrote: > > > On May 13, 2016, at 14:17 , J. Landman Gay >

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On May 13, 2016, at 14:17 , J. Landman Gay > wrote: On 5/13/2016 2:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: My first gut reaction was "So, I and the other 24% minority of people paying for licenses are funding an awesome development tool that some 76%

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

> On May 13, 2016, at 16:05 , Bob Sneidar wrote: > > Well you know, there are lies... and then there are damnable lies... and then > there are detestably damnable lies... > > And then there are statistics! > > (roughly a quote of Mark Twain) > Who I just

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Well you know, there are lies... and then there are damnable lies... and then there are detestably damnable lies... And then there are statistics! (roughly a quote of Mark Twain) Bob S On May 13, 2016, at 12:58 , Peter M. Brigham > wrote: On May

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Hi Rick, 1. Sometimes the data is blind, sometimes it is not. When analyzing the survey for most purposes we strip out any identifying data so this is irrelevant to the person doing the analysis. 2. Sometimes we indicate the number of questions and sometimes we do not. It depends on what the

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:35 AM, Dave Kilroy wrote: > My regards to all who have pledged or who intend to pledge, no matter how > little or how much - and I'll see you on the sunny side of the street some > day! > > Kind regards > > Dave > Just pledged. I'm in.

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On 5/13/2016 2:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: My first gut reaction was "So, I and the other 24% minority of people paying for licenses are funding an awesome development tool that some 76% of you folks out there are using for free. People who only use Community and grip should be sending the 24% of

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Hi Richard, These surveys could be a lot better than they are. 1. The data collected is not blind. It is traceable to the participant who filled out the survey. 2. The questions are not all available at once so that one can decide if they want to participate or not. The

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

, for all. Of course I use also community-only LC versions (for example for the RaspbianPi). Who can't afford it, should have a license-light (real license) for free or a rather symbolic price. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Infinite-LiveCode-Message-

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On May 13, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote: > It is *always* worth noting that statistics can be unintentionally > misleading, take out of context, and intentionally misinterpreted. 42.7% of statistics are made up on the spot. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

> > However, if you are getting something for free AND you are not > contributing anything at all (time and/or money), stop complaining ;-) > I also thought so. But I did not dare to write it myself. ;) ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

It is *always* worth noting that statistics can be unintentionally misleading, take out of context, and intentionally misinterpreted. I saw the statistic in the LiveCode 8 Launch webinar that 24% of LiveCode licenses are paid and 76% are Community (open source) licenses. My first gut reaction

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

These are valid points. I covered a great deal of ground in that presentation however this was an angle that I missed. I certainly didn¹t intend any offense with that omission and if I gave any then I do apologize for that. We are all extremely grateful for the many ways the community contributes.

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

-hh wrote: > I can't forget this community-trivializing pie chart > "The Story of community"(see webinar at 6:37), based on > pull requests: 2% community, 98% LiveCode (ignoring > the fact that many pull requests of the LC-team are > essentially based on time-consuming community LC QC >

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Robert Mann wrote: > As the situation stands, livecode drives the whole lot. So community > money contributors just support "blindly" livecode without any form > of representation. I wonder how long that can go on just like that. Part of the role of a Community Manager is as a sort of

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Count me in also. I’m particularly keen on Stretch Goals 1 & 3, Sqlite Library & Field Widget Jim Little On May 13, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Earthednet-wp wrote: > I'm in too. I am retired and give my educational software away for free. But > the responsiveness of the

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I'm in too. I am retired and give my educational software away for free. But the responsiveness of the LC team, the generosity of the users with help, and the actuality and future vision of the platform is so promising that I want to contribute. Best, Bill William Prothero

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I'm in. I ain't rich but I can do what I can. Bob S ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

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it and watch was LC does on his 98% part. Hermann -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Infinite-LiveCode-Message-from-CEO-tp4704550p4704615.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Well, yes, but then it could have been announced three months ago?))) Never mind... The task is great. Thumbs up! On May 13, 2016 09:24, "Alex Tweedly" wrote: > I agree it is a rather short time frame - but 3 months would be far too > long. > > This project hopes to complete

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

In terms of what we should expect, does this push indicate a "breadth first" rather than "depth first" strategy? As in, will Livecode's reach continue to expand as quickly as possible while it's perfection is of secondary concern? More specifically, will we be getting 80% functionality in more

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I agree it is a rather short time frame - but 3 months would be far too long. This project hopes to complete "this summer" - so my guess would be end of August or September - therefore only 4-1/2 months away; they can't wait 3 months to see if the funding is available. -- Alex. On

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Thanks very much for your support Roland. I¹m sorry if the campaign timing doesn¹t line up well for you. We¹ve tried various campaign lengths and longer doesn¹t materially improve the outcome overall. If it was a massive campaign we might consider 30 days but its not so large that there is a

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I pledged, but the dates given are by far too short - May 23 is just around the corner. I could pledge more given more time, but currently away on a trip. I think 3 months pledge time should be normal. Roland ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

tions might never > seen as right so long as decisions are solely taken by one party > exclusively. > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Infinite-LiveCode-Message-from-CEO-tp4704550p4704570.html > Sent fro

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > - > "The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes > the other 90% o

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

ecode@.runrev > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode - "The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes the other 90% of the time

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On 5/12/16, 2:03 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola" wrote: >The LC upside WAY outweighs the downside. I'm all in! >At least that's how I feel. I want to apologize for hi-jacking Heather's thread. If I had

RE: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I understand these frustrations. I am in the middle of tracking down LC8 bugs now. I wish that after the incredible achievement that is LC 8 there were 0 bugs. I wish some these things were free in the Indy Edition. I wish I had a new car. My bottom line is: 1) LC got me into the mobile market

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Please don't misunderstand me, I really like LiveCode, I use it in my workplace to rapidly build proof of concept software modals to get sign-off on projects that are then built with more standardised and robust IDEs with more leisurely time frames. LiveCode is by large measures faster than

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > Crap! You should have told me that before I started letting customers use > my company's new app written in LC 8. Now I need to go un-release it ;-) > I've noticed there's a lot of Trevor code influence in 8 by

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On Thursday, May 12, 2016, Colin Kelly wrote: > > And as for LC8. It's just too buggy to use in any production apps. Crap! You should have told me that before I started letting customers use my company's new app written in LC 8. Now I need to go un-release it ;-) --

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

+1 The same goes for SMTP. And as for LC8. It's just too buggy to use in any production apps. If LC7 is truly EoL I will probably have to start reinvesting back into Delphi or brushing back up on C#. I simply don't have time to keep nursing LC and finding workarounds. Thanks LC for the

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

It was announced somewhere recently or perhaps I bumped into it when I compared versions. The other model I think would work would be to offer low priced plug ins. I wouldn't mind paying $9.99 for an SFTP plug in… I realize LiveCode doesn't have Unity's user base, but the Unity store is

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

On May 12, 2016, at 15:00 , Richard Gaskin > wrote: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: > But when I saw recently that something we've been begging for, for > 15 years… simple SFTP functionality from the engine.. Writing the word

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I'm going with authorized keys in house and shell (scp/rSync) and Web API's for apps used by volunteers outside. You are right there… it's probably a more secure method… I only have a handful of people who have the FTP passwords to the server(s) and that's probably as it should remain. It

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I agree with you. The community helped the company. In return for that, all new features should be open-source. I'm very disappointed by the "business-only" features. It seems inconsistent with RunRev's new open-source strategy. I won't be supporting any future fund raising campaigns until this

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

+1 > On May 12, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami > wrote: > > I have bought, paid, contributed to every single forward offer that RunRev > and LiveCode have offered through the years, I had a great deal of faith in > our LC team at HQ. > > But when I saw

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

e some tensions between the two versions. And the resulting balance of functions might never seen as right so long as decisions are solely taken by one party exclusively. -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Infinite-LiveCode-Message-from-CEO-tp47045

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: > But when I saw recently that something we've been begging for, for > 15 years… simple SFTP functionality from the engine.. Writing the word "simple" doesn't make it so. :) Yes, many programs offer it. But none of them also provide a generalized scripting

Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

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Re: Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

I have bought, paid, contributed to every single forward offer that RunRev and LiveCode have offered through the years, I had a great deal of faith in our LC team at HQ. But when I saw recently that something we've been begging for, for 15 years… simple SFTP functionality from the engine..

Infinite LiveCode - Message from CEO

Dear List Folks, Please go and read this blog post from Kevin, it contains important information I'm sure will interest you! https://livecode.com/infinite-livecode-a-letter-from-our-ceo/ Warm Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager LiveCode Ltd www.livecode.com