Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Dan Brown via use-livecode]

When the GDPR comes into force in May 2018, Facebook et al will be legally
obliged to remove all of your data  from its databases should you make that
request https://gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/

On 12 Dec 2017 4:28 am, "J. Landman Gay via use-livecode" <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That's kind of amazing, half the no-facebook people in the world are on
> this list. I'd be a boring participant anyway, I usually skip breakfast.
>
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>
>
>
> On December 11, 2017 6:38:44 PM "Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode" <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I guess I make it three.
>>
>> I signed up, and didn't log in, the day they announced their own
>> email, just to stop someone else from being labeled dochawk.
>>
>> Then at my reunion a couple of months ago, it came up that someone had
>> a page for our class.  We went through a comedy of errors trying to
>> find and login to my account.  Or maybe that I could  login, but that
>> my name didn't show (as I'd never given it more than initials).
>>
>> Somehow, we connected one of them to my wife, and I guess that let me
>> see a name and send a message, or maybe they sent her some kind of
>> invitation.
>>
>> And then they were exasperated that I hadn't filled out a "profile" or
>> some such.
>>
>> I logged in for a while, wondering if anything interesting would
>> happen.  I found that adblock could make a couple of particularly
>> annoying columns it through at me go away, but really did not get
>> interested in the blather.
>>
>> And then, once you don't log in often enough, it sends you messages
>> offering to help . . .
>>
>> I go back to 1984 on usenet, but just don't understand this whole
>> facetwit and tell the world what I had for breakfast thing . . .
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/11/2017 03:29 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
 I don't know, I'm one of the six people on earth who doesn't have or
 want
 a Facebook account. But Ghostery blocks any unwanted junk that comes in
 via
 a web page, and since you're viewing Facebook inside a web page then
 it's
 worth a try. Can't hurt.

>>>
>>> I'm one of the other six. Never been tempted by it.
>>> I used to have Ghostery installed, and probably it's still on my Firefox
>>> browser. But I switched over to Chrome a while back and I guess I never
>>> bothered to install it. My experience has been that all those tools do a
>>> pretty good job of filtering, and none of them is perfect.
>>>
>>> --
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>>>  ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

That's kind of amazing, half the no-facebook people in the world are on 
this list. I'd be a boring participant anyway, I usually skip breakfast.


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On December 11, 2017 6:38:44 PM "Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode" 
 wrote:



I guess I make it three.

I signed up, and didn't log in, the day they announced their own
email, just to stop someone else from being labeled dochawk.

Then at my reunion a couple of months ago, it came up that someone had
a page for our class.  We went through a comedy of errors trying to
find and login to my account.  Or maybe that I could  login, but that
my name didn't show (as I'd never given it more than initials).

Somehow, we connected one of them to my wife, and I guess that let me
see a name and send a message, or maybe they sent her some kind of
invitation.

And then they were exasperated that I hadn't filled out a "profile" or
some such.

I logged in for a while, wondering if anything interesting would
happen.  I found that adblock could make a couple of particularly
annoying columns it through at me go away, but really did not get
interested in the blather.

And then, once you don't log in often enough, it sends you messages
offering to help . . .

I go back to 1984 on usenet, but just don't understand this whole
facetwit and tell the world what I had for breakfast thing . . .

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
 wrote:

On 12/11/2017 03:29 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

I don't know, I'm one of the six people on earth who doesn't have or want
a Facebook account. But Ghostery blocks any unwanted junk that comes in via
a web page, and since you're viewing Facebook inside a web page then it's
worth a try. Can't hurt.


I'm one of the other six. Never been tempted by it.
I used to have Ghostery installed, and probably it's still on my Firefox
browser. But I switched over to Chrome a while back and I guess I never
bothered to install it. My experience has been that all those tools do a
pretty good job of filtering, and none of them is perfect.

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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Mark Wieder wrote:

> On 12/11/2017 03:29 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> > I don't know, I'm one of the six people on earth who doesn't have
> > or want a Facebook account
>
> I'm one of the other six. Never been tempted by it.

If you develop apps for others to publish, that can work well.  As a 
personal experience it's a matter of taste.


But for publishers, or anyone doing any B2C marketing, Facebook is an 
essential component.


In our modern world, it *is* the Internet for many, or at least a good 
chunk of it.


Remember this article shared here last week or so (was this from 
Alejandro?):



Note Table 4 there, and this note above it:

   What has changed over the last 4 years is market share of traffic
   on the Web. It looks like nothing has changed, but GOOG and FB now
   have direct influence over 70%+ of internet traffic. Mobile internet
   traffic is now the majority of traffic worldwide and in Latin America
   alone, GOOG and FB services have had 60% of mobile traffic in 2015,
   growing to 70% by the end of 2016. The remaining 30% of traffic is
   shared among all other mobile apps and websites. Mobile devices are
   primarily used for accessing GOOG and FB networks.

Without a page on Facebook, a great many consumers will never know your 
product exists.


This is the world we're in.  We don't need the end of Net Neutrality to 
watch the Internet become controlled by a handful of companies.  It 
already is: rather than ISPs it's the Big Four, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, 
and Google.


Learn to do business with them or perish.  The net is now theirs, and we 
gave it to them.


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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/11/2017 04:36 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:

I guess I make it three.

I signed up, and didn't log in, the day they announced their own
email, just to stop someone else from being labeled dochawk.


One thing I found while helping a neighbor get untangled from fb is that 
you can never delete your account. You can disable it, but all the 
history is still there, ready for you to come back to the flock.

Smells a bit like scientology.

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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode]

I guess I make it three.

I signed up, and didn't log in, the day they announced their own
email, just to stop someone else from being labeled dochawk.

Then at my reunion a couple of months ago, it came up that someone had
a page for our class.  We went through a comedy of errors trying to
find and login to my account.  Or maybe that I could  login, but that
my name didn't show (as I'd never given it more than initials).

Somehow, we connected one of them to my wife, and I guess that let me
see a name and send a message, or maybe they sent her some kind of
invitation.

And then they were exasperated that I hadn't filled out a "profile" or
some such.

I logged in for a while, wondering if anything interesting would
happen.  I found that adblock could make a couple of particularly
annoying columns it through at me go away, but really did not get
interested in the blather.

And then, once you don't log in often enough, it sends you messages
offering to help . . .

I go back to 1984 on usenet, but just don't understand this whole
facetwit and tell the world what I had for breakfast thing . . .

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
 wrote:
> On 12/11/2017 03:29 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> I don't know, I'm one of the six people on earth who doesn't have or want
>> a Facebook account. But Ghostery blocks any unwanted junk that comes in via
>> a web page, and since you're viewing Facebook inside a web page then it's
>> worth a try. Can't hurt.
>
> I'm one of the other six. Never been tempted by it.
> I used to have Ghostery installed, and probably it's still on my Firefox
> browser. But I switched over to Chrome a while back and I guess I never
> bothered to install it. My experience has been that all those tools do a
> pretty good job of filtering, and none of them is perfect.
>
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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/11/2017 03:29 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> I don't know, I'm one of the six people on earth who doesn't have or 
want a Facebook account. But Ghostery blocks any unwanted junk that 
comes in via a web page, and since you're viewing Facebook inside a web 
page then it's worth a try. Can't hurt.


I'm one of the other six. Never been tempted by it.
I used to have Ghostery installed, and probably it's still on my Firefox 
browser. But I switched over to Chrome a while back and I guess I never 
bothered to install it. My experience has been that all those tools do a 
pretty good job of filtering, and none of them is perfect.


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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode]

If nothing else, there is a ghostery browser for iOS; it is what I use
on the rare time I need one on my phone.

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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I do use Ghostery on my workstations/laptops, but this is of course on my 
iPhone. I'll see if there is any such thing. If it can't hook into Facebook 
tho, I doubt it will work, and Facebook is unlikely to provide a way to block 
ads as that is their bread and butter. 

Bob S


> On Dec 11, 2017, at 15:29 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know, I'm one of the six people on earth who doesn't have or want a 
> Facebook account. But Ghostery blocks any unwanted junk that comes in via a 
> web page, and since you're viewing Facebook inside a web page then it's worth 
> a try. Can't hurt.
> 
> Even if it doesn't work completely there, you'll be amazed at the tracking 
> that goes on everywhere else. Some sites have 15-20 trackers.


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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I don't know, I'm one of the six people on earth who doesn't have or 
want a Facebook account. But Ghostery blocks any unwanted junk that 
comes in via a web page, and since you're viewing Facebook inside a web 
page then it's worth a try. Can't hurt.


Even if it doesn't work completely there, you'll be amazed at the 
tracking that goes on everywhere else. Some sites have 15-20 trackers.


On 12/11/17 4:30 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Do they have Ghostery for Facebook? I'm talking about facebook pages where you 
click to read an article, and it takes you to a browser IN facebook where you 
are lambasted with ads. Also seems the more you scroll, the more ads there are.

Bob S




On Dec 11, 2017, at 13:47 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
 wrote:

On 12/11/17 3:15 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

I find that the browser combination of AdBlockPlus and uninstalling Flash does 
wonders. Of course, I also disabled third-party cookies and have 
HTTPSEverywhere and PrivacyBadger installed.


Ghostery does most of this. I uninstalled everything else. And yeah, remove 
Flash entirely.

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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Do they have Ghostery for Facebook? I'm talking about facebook pages where you 
click to read an article, and it takes you to a browser IN facebook where you 
are lambasted with ads. Also seems the more you scroll, the more ads there are. 

Bob S



> On Dec 11, 2017, at 13:47 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 12/11/17 3:15 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> I find that the browser combination of AdBlockPlus and uninstalling Flash 
>> does wonders. Of course, I also disabled third-party cookies and have 
>> HTTPSEverywhere and PrivacyBadger installed.
> 
> Ghostery does most of this. I uninstalled everything else. And yeah, remove 
> Flash entirely.
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Re: OAuth over localhost findings.

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

Hi Sean

The HTTPS redirect uri requirement does make things a little trickier. A quick 
search indicates that a local HTTPS server is possible (Adobe’s Java SDK for 
sign uses one). I would need to research on the feasibility of implementing 
such a thing in LC though. At a minimum I suspect we would need to be able to 
accept secure connections which we can’t presently.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

On 12/11/17 3:15 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
I find that the browser combination of AdBlockPlus and uninstalling 
Flash does wonders. Of course, I also disabled third-party cookies and 
have HTTPSEverywhere and PrivacyBadger installed.


Ghostery does most of this. I uninstalled everything else. And yeah, 
remove Flash entirely.


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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

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On 12/11/2017 12:59 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

A very good point. I block sites on facebook all the time because while trying 
to read an article, there are more ads than content, and I get so frustrated 
because the ads are designed so that if I try to scroll, and the page shifts 
(and it will ALWAYS shift while scrolling) I end up clicking on something which 
takes me to a site I didn't want to go to and they get all kinds of false click 
revenue, and that pisses me off. I fight back the only way I know how. I block 
the advertiser AND the original presence.


I find that the browser combination of AdBlockPlus and uninstalling 
Flash does wonders. Of course, I also disabled third-party cookies and 
have HTTPSEverywhere and PrivacyBadger installed.


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Re: Script Editor problem

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You might place a keyboard shortcut in a library script or plugin to reset
the rect of the SE to your liking. Better than slogging through the msgs.

Craig



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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

A very good point. I block sites on facebook all the time because while trying 
to read an article, there are more ads than content, and I get so frustrated 
because the ads are designed so that if I try to scroll, and the page shifts 
(and it will ALWAYS shift while scrolling) I end up clicking on something which 
takes me to a site I didn't want to go to and they get all kinds of false click 
revenue, and that pisses me off. I fight back the only way I know how. I block 
the advertiser AND the original presence. 

Bob S


> On Dec 11, 2017, at 12:50 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> But that extends the time to break-even, often extended further unless you're 
> very careful with the ad placement so it doesn't hinder the user experience.  
> There are so many apps out there that one poorly-placed ad, or an add that 
> makes noise, or an add that pops up to cover the screen, or any number of 
> other annoyances the someone somehow thought was a good idea at the time, 
> will cause the app to be uninstalled.


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Re: advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Dr. Hawkins wrote:

> I've tried to get this discussion going before, and failed.  So
> perhaps a crasser start:
>
> Is anyone actually making money from  livecode app's advertising,
> either iOS or android?
>
> If so, how did you get it done, who did you use, etc.?

Good news:  Roxio reported Angry Birds brought in as much revenue from 
ads on Android as from sales on iOS.


Bad news:  There's only one Angry Birds. ;)

I don't know about folks here specifically, but in general, like any 
other ad venue, in-app ads are a matter of audience size.


This is a challenge for most:  to get a large audience you need a solid 
app, and a solid marketing plan, and money to execute well on both.


But that extends the time to break-even, often extended further unless 
you're very careful with the ad placement so it doesn't hinder the user 
experience.  There are so many apps out there that one poorly-placed ad, 
or an add that makes noise, or an add that pops up to cover the screen, 
or any number of other annoyances the someone somehow thought was a good 
idea at the time, will cause the app to be uninstalled.


I haven't found current stats for 2017, but this older article from the 
app heyday (2012) at least introduces the breakdown:


   Ad Network Payouts

   While the most common way for mobile app ads to cost advertisers
   money and pay out to app developers is per click, there are other
   commission structures available that pay for views or specific
   actions. The effective cost per thousand impressions, a measure
   that equalizes advertising revenue of apps with different click-
   through rates, ranged between $.53 and $1.12 in 2012. An impression
   occurs each time a new ad is displayed to a user. So if an app
   averages 1,000 daily users who see two ads each at an eCPM of $.50,
   the app would generate $1 on average each day.



If you find stats from 2017 I've love to read 'em.  But with all three 
app stores carrying so many hundreds of thousands of apps (millions?), 
the role of marketing is more important than ever.


Personally, I've found ads such a poor UX that I'm unlikely to ever use 
any ad network.  I'm considering building my own ad server for 
specialized needs, cross-promoting apps and services in a specialized 
mix that lets me tailor the experience to fully integrate with the app, 
more like a sponsorship than a slapped-on overlap that hinders usage.


For most apps in the works I have no interest in direct advertising of 
any kind, looking instead for strategic value realized elsewhere.


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Re: The Detailed and Long files

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On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
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>
> Point taken. Thanks - that was me typing without being sufficiently
> caffeinated.

set the detailed caffeination of Mark to "High.  VERY high."

:)


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advertising,again, and is anyone actually making money from it?

[Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode]

I've tried to get this discussion going before, and failed.  So
perhaps a crasser start:

Is anyone actually making money from  livecode app's advertising,
either iOS or android?

If so, how did you get it done, who did you use, etc.?

All I have so far is that the folks that livecode supposedly set up
have no interest in dealing with us until we have sufficient volume to
interest them.

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Re: Replacetext taking forever under 8.1.7

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On 11/29/2017 12:30 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:

I downloaded 8.1.2 and performed the same test as above and the difference
was substantial. I’m on a different machine, but the times appear
consistent with the test I did on 7.x on the other one.


https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6197

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Re can?t save Standalone

[Hillen Richard via use-livecode]

Hello, 

thank you for your helpfull answers.

-> Richard Gaskin: syserr is 2, wrong adress

-> Mike Bonner: Standalone tries to save the datastack in folder Contents/MacOS 
of the App-Package; I changed the folder to Resources/_MacOS and it worked ok.

Richard H.
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Re: The Detailed and Long files

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Mark Waddingham wrote:

> In general, it is best for us to avoid introducing / making worse the
> whole function/property synergy as any function which has a property
> form reserves the name of the function - i.e. you can no longer use
> that as a property of an object (whether custom, or engine).

Thank you.  That bit o' linguistic weirdness from the HyperTalk team 
always felt like nails on a chalkboard to me.


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Re: The Detailed and Long files

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/11/2017 08:59 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:


No - see http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3210


Awesome.


My general feeling is that the english-like syntax *should* be:

   the [detailed] files of folder 

i.e. 'the files' is a property of a pseudo-folder object


Point taken. Thanks - that was me typing without being sufficiently 
caffeinated. I did indeed mean "of folder "


However, we don't currently have the parsing infrastructure for that 
(although I think Ali did some experimental work towards it quite a 
while ago) - hence why we currently have *just* the function form for 
files/folders with specified folder.


That's excellent news.

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Re: The Detailed and Long files

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-12-11 17:48, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

It *is* a step away from natural-language xtalk syntax though.
I take it the syntactic sugar of offering

"the detailed files of pFolder"

would fall under the dreaded category of synonyms?


No - see http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3210

It falls under the 'requires significant work to various parts of parser 
to make it work without potentially causing horrendous issues now or in 
the future' category.


In general, it is best for us to avoid introducing / making worse the 
whole function/property synergy as any function which has a property 
form reserves the name of the function - i.e. you can no longer use that 
as a property of an object (whether custom, or engine).


My general feeling is that the english-like syntax *should* be:

  the [detailed] files of folder 

i.e. 'the files' is a property of a pseudo-folder object

However, we don't currently have the parsing infrastructure for that 
(although I think Ali did some experimental work towards it quite a 
while ago) - hence why we currently have *just* the function form for 
files/folders with specified folder.


Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. The problem with function-property duality only occurs when the 
argument of the function is an arbitrary string - as in this case. The 
duality is fine if the function acts on a type which is entirely 
distinct from control id syntax:


  put the sin of pString -- OKAY, 'sin' only acts on numbers, not 
control refs


  put the files of pFolder -- NOT OKAY, a folder could have name 
'control "foo"'


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Re: The Detailed and Long files

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 12/11/2017 06:47 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:


I added a second optional parameter to files/folders this morning:

   get files(pFolder) -- the files
   get files(pFolder, "detailed") -- the detailed files


It *is* a step away from natural-language xtalk syntax though.
I take it the syntactic sugar of offering

"the detailed files of pFolder"

would fall under the dreaded category of synonyms?

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Re: The Detailed and Long files

[Klaus major-k via use-livecode]

Hi Mark,

> Am 11.12.2017 um 15:47 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
> :
> On 2017-12-10 02:33, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Swami,
>>> Am 10.12.2017 um 02:25 schrieb Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> it was a huge step to do away with the defaultfolder requirement to get a 
>>> file list
>>> put files(somePath)  is wonderful
>>> but, "u" …we are still forced to change the defaultFolder to get
>>> the detailed|long files
>>> Is it too much to ask for these file info functions to also work "out of 
>>> the box" with just a path param to the folder?
>> already reported about a year ago:
>> 
>> But unfortunately hibernated!?
> I added a second optional parameter to files/folders this morning:
> 
>  get files(pFolder) -- the files
>  get files(pFolder, "detailed") -- the detailed files
> 
> Its the minimal implementation - but fills the main gap that we currently 
> suffer. The second optional parameter 'pKind' could be used in future to 
> offer (maybe) an array form of return value, where you get an array mapping 
> filename to an array of file attributes.
> 
> PR: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6198

this is wonderful, thank you very much! :-)

> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.

Best

Klaus

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Re: The Detailed and Long files

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2017-12-10 02:33, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

Hi Swami,

Am 10.12.2017 um 02:25 schrieb Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via 
use-livecode :


it was a huge step to do away with the defaultfolder requirement to 
get a file list

put files(somePath)  is wonderful
but, "u" …we are still forced to change the defaultFolder to get
the detailed|long files
Is it too much to ask for these file info functions to also work "out 
of the box" with just a path param to the folder?


already reported about a year ago:


But unfortunately hibernated!?


I added a second optional parameter to files/folders this morning:

  get files(pFolder) -- the files
  get files(pFolder, "detailed") -- the detailed files

Its the minimal implementation - but fills the main gap that we 
currently suffer. The second optional parameter 'pKind' could be used in 
future to offer (maybe) an array form of return value, where you get an 
array mapping filename to an array of file attributes.


PR: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6198

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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OAuth over localhost findings.

[Pi Digital via use-livecode]

Hi all

I’ve been doing some work for a client who is still using LC5.0.2 ?(because it 
works and they don’t want to go to the subscription model) and needed to add in 
functionality with Adobe echoSign (now just Adobe Sign™). This has changed from 
a SOAP auth method over to OAuth2, rightly so. This was to be my first 
encounter with OAuth. 

I looked at the docs and method used in the OAuth library in LC9 and realised 
an issue. It suggests using a redirect_url of 127.0.0.1 (or ‘localhost’ as it’s 
otherwise known). However, this cannot operate over https as no one would 
provide a security certificate for localhosts as that would be just crazy and, 
as I found, most sites are now making it a requirement to pass data via https. 
Adobe will not allow you to provide a redirect that does not start with https. 
So, right away this method was out of the question. 

But there is an easier method and one that I would very much recommend. 

Because the authorisation *HAS* to be done via a browser because the user must 
enter their sign in credentials, it is necessary to create a stack that 
contains a browser object. In LC8 and up it is nearer to use the browser widget 
in a modal stack you can open as a sheet. It is better to have a stack prepared 
with your OAuth and browser handler scripts already rather than the suggested 
LC library method of creating a stack with uuid number (which plays no 
advantage). In LC5 there is no widgets so the revBrowser should be used which 
doesn’t work on modal stacks so a standard substack (perhaps with no 
decorations) should be used. 

The clever bit is this. For your redirect you can direct it to almost ‘ANY’ 
https: site. It doesn’t even need to be your own! (Although I would recommend 
you only use one that you are happy to send these temporary details to like 
your own or your clients).  Why? Because, when you are requesting at the outset 
of authorisation your Auth Code, once the user has entered their credentials 
and signed in to the ‘allow’ page, that page has within its htmltext the Auth 
Code written in as part of its JavaScript. And, better still, once the user has 
clicked the Allow button, it will move on to the redirect page with parameters 
in the URL containing the necessary Auth Code to collect the Access Token in 
the next stage (which will be done using a POST command rather than a browser - 
and ironically gets done over http rather than https :/! ). 

What this means is that you add a handler to your browser stack card that 
handles the message browserNavigationComplete which passes the instanceID of 
your browser (so you can now destroy it) and its URL, complete with its 
parameters in URL fashion (?code=[code] etc). So you can now pull to code 
parameter from this URL and use it in your POST to get your Access Token. Form 
there it’s plain sailing over POST or whatever using your ClientID, 
ClientSecret and this AccessToken. 

The upshot is that the OAuth library probably needs revising to avoid the use 
of localhost and probably recommend using something similar to this method. In 
a couple of days, once I’m finished on this project, I can move on to providing 
my feedback to LC and a pull request. 

I hope this is of help. All the best. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital
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Re: MergPop error on iOS 11.2 & LC 8.1.8

[William de Smet via use-livecode]

Hi Monte,

Just edited the plist file and it works now.
Thanks!

groeten,

William



2017-12-11 4:24 GMT+01:00 Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> Thank you for the quick response Monte, the fix works well!
>
> Paul
>
> > On 10 Dec 2017, at 13:36, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20759 <
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20759>
> >
> >> On 11 Dec 2017, at 8:29 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Folks
> >>
> >> It turns out this crash is caused by the need for a new plist entry `
> NSPhotoLibraryAddUsageDescription`.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Monte
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