IndyCam2_v100
*** The stack does NOT run with LC Community *** (Because it uses the cameraControl that is available in the Indy or Business versions of LC only.) Download IndyCam2 from "Sample stacks" or http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/927/ You can take snapshots with up to two (intern oder extern) cameras, may be also simple webcams. Each snapshot has at about 240 KByte. The snapshots can be filtered (directly in the stack) with one of the image effects from LCImageToolBox_89. There is also a timer for using this as timelapseCamera, shooting in intervals of 1 to 36600 seconds. While such a timelapse is running you can change the camera, the image filter and the interval. There is help in the stack. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
OK Sendt fra min iPhone > 26. jan. 2019 kl. 23:20 skrev J. Landman Gay via use-livecode > : > > HC import has been broken since the LC 7 rewrite but it still works in LC > version 6.x. So you need to open the HC stack in LC 6, save it, and then open > it in LC 9. > > You may get some errors that are easy to fix. The most common errors are > unquoted literals and using reserved words as variable names. > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> On January 26, 2019 3:35:31 PM Ingar Roggen via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> OK, it seems that I must give it a try. What LC-version should I use? >> >> Sendt fra min iPhone >> >>> 26. jan. 2019 kl. 22:29 skrev Paul Dupuis via use-livecode >>> : >>> >>> What about those small but important HC stacks causes them not to run in >>> LiveCode? What errors do you get? >>> On 1/26/2019 3:46 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: Hi Rick, right on target. Not tons, but a small group that are very valuable to me. -And to all of you, thanks for sympathetic and encouraging comments! Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone > 26. jan. 2019 kl. 21:33 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode > : > > Hi Ingar, > > The only reason I can see for wanting HC again > is if you have tons and tons of old HC stacks > that you really need to be able to run without > having to do the work of turning them in to LC stacks. > > If that isn’t the case for you, then I wouldn’t waste > the time. LC is the all grown-up version of HC > as others here have stated. > > Likewise the cost to do what you want to do > after a simple cost benefit analysis I believe > would show that the cost isn’t worth the > little benefit you might get back. > > Good luck with whatever you decide to do. > > Rick > >> On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Hi, all of you! >> Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how >> much it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its >> use by means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian >> sponsor, but again I might. But certainly not without an approximate >> suggestion of the price. My email at the University of Oslo is >> ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. Why not give it a try? >> Ingar >> >> Sendt fra min iPhone >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
HC import has been broken since the LC 7 rewrite but it still works in LC version 6.x. So you need to open the HC stack in LC 6, save it, and then open it in LC 9. You may get some errors that are easy to fix. The most common errors are unquoted literals and using reserved words as variable names. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On January 26, 2019 3:35:31 PM Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: OK, it seems that I must give it a try. What LC-version should I use? Sendt fra min iPhone 26. jan. 2019 kl. 22:29 skrev Paul Dupuis via use-livecode : What about those small but important HC stacks causes them not to run in LiveCode? What errors do you get? On 1/26/2019 3:46 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: Hi Rick, right on target. Not tons, but a small group that are very valuable to me. -And to all of you, thanks for sympathetic and encouraging comments! Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone 26. jan. 2019 kl. 21:33 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode : Hi Ingar, The only reason I can see for wanting HC again is if you have tons and tons of old HC stacks that you really need to be able to run without having to do the work of turning them in to LC stacks. If that isn’t the case for you, then I wouldn’t waste the time. LC is the all grown-up version of HC as others here have stated. Likewise the cost to do what you want to do after a simple cost benefit analysis I believe would show that the cost isn’t worth the little benefit you might get back. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Rick On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: Hi, all of you! Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how much it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its use by means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian sponsor, but again I might. But certainly not without an approximate suggestion of the price. My email at the University of Oslo is ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. Why not give it a try? Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
at it. I’ll publish a brief description of the project in case anybody should have a comment. Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone > 26. jan. 2019 kl. 22:46 skrev Ingar Roggen : > > Under your friendly pressure I have decided to try LC on one of those stacks, > I call «Personal Risk Detector», PRD. If you are willing to take a look at > > Sendt fra min iPhone > >> 26. jan. 2019 kl. 22:34 skrev Ingar Roggen via use-livecode >> : >> >> OK, it seems that I must give it a try. What LC-version should I use? >> >> Sendt fra min iPhone >> >>> 26. jan. 2019 kl. 22:29 skrev Paul Dupuis via use-livecode >>> : >>> >>> What about those small but important HC stacks causes them not to run in >>> LiveCode? What errors do you get? >>> On 1/26/2019 3:46 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: Hi Rick, right on target. Not tons, but a small group that are very valuable to me. -And to all of you, thanks for sympathetic and encouraging comments! Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone > 26. jan. 2019 kl. 21:33 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode > : > > Hi Ingar, > > The only reason I can see for wanting HC again > is if you have tons and tons of old HC stacks > that you really need to be able to run without > having to do the work of turning them in to LC stacks. > > If that isn’t the case for you, then I wouldn’t waste > the time. LC is the all grown-up version of HC > as others here have stated. > > Likewise the cost to do what you want to do > after a simple cost benefit analysis I believe > would show that the cost isn’t worth the > little benefit you might get back. > > Good luck with whatever you decide to do. > > Rick > >> On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Hi, all of you! >> Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how >> much it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its >> use by means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian >> sponsor, but again I might. But certainly not without an approximate >> suggestion of the price. My email at the University of Oslo is >> ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. Why not give it a try? >> Ingar >> >> Sendt fra min iPhone >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
Under your friendly pressure I have decided to try LC on one of those stacks, which I call «Personal Risk Detector», PRD. If you are willing to take a look at Sendt fra min iPhone > 26. jan. 2019 kl. 22:34 skrev Ingar Roggen via use-livecode > : > > OK, it seems that I must give it a try. What LC-version should I use? > > Sendt fra min iPhone > >> 26. jan. 2019 kl. 22:29 skrev Paul Dupuis via use-livecode >> : >> >> What about those small but important HC stacks causes them not to run in >> LiveCode? What errors do you get? >> >>> On 1/26/2019 3:46 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: >>> Hi Rick, >>> right on target. Not tons, but a small group that are very valuable to me. >>> -And to all of you, thanks for sympathetic and encouraging comments! >>> Ingar >>> >>> Sendt fra min iPhone >>> 26. jan. 2019 kl. 21:33 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode : Hi Ingar, The only reason I can see for wanting HC again is if you have tons and tons of old HC stacks that you really need to be able to run without having to do the work of turning them in to LC stacks. If that isn’t the case for you, then I wouldn’t waste the time. LC is the all grown-up version of HC as others here have stated. Likewise the cost to do what you want to do after a simple cost benefit analysis I believe would show that the cost isn’t worth the little benefit you might get back. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Rick > On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi, all of you! > Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how > much it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its > use by means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian > sponsor, but again I might. But certainly not without an approximate > suggestion of the price. My email at the University of Oslo is > ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. Why not give it a try? > Ingar > > Sendt fra min iPhone > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Never, ever use the name of a built-in property as a custom property
https://github.com/gcanyon/navigator/issues/27
I just found that Navigator breaks when editing the custom properties of
datagrids, because of the custom property dgProps["style"]. When I
originally added custom properties to the property editor in Navigator it
was simple: I pretty much had to add one line here and there, and I was
done. Namely:
if the cCustomProperties of me is true
then set the customPropertySet of tID to (the cCustomPropertySet of
me)
And then set the properties as usual. So easy. But setting the property
breaks if the custom property is "style", with the error that the object
doesn't have that property.
So now I'm spending time going through Navigator and replacing the above
with code like this:
put value(merge("the [[pCustomPropertySet]][
[[quote]][[P]][[quote]]] of [[pID]]")) into pIDP
(if anyone has a cleaner solution, I'd love to hear it)
So: use unique names for your custom properties. Prefix them all with a "u"
as some people do, for example.
Or don't. Navigator's next update will accommodate you anyway.
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Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
OK, it seems that I must give it a try. What LC-version should I use? Sendt fra min iPhone > 26. jan. 2019 kl. 22:29 skrev Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > : > > What about those small but important HC stacks causes them not to run in > LiveCode? What errors do you get? > >> On 1/26/2019 3:46 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: >> Hi Rick, >> right on target. Not tons, but a small group that are very valuable to me. >> -And to all of you, thanks for sympathetic and encouraging comments! >> Ingar >> >> Sendt fra min iPhone >> >>> 26. jan. 2019 kl. 21:33 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode >>> : >>> >>> Hi Ingar, >>> >>> The only reason I can see for wanting HC again >>> is if you have tons and tons of old HC stacks >>> that you really need to be able to run without >>> having to do the work of turning them in to LC stacks. >>> >>> If that isn’t the case for you, then I wouldn’t waste >>> the time. LC is the all grown-up version of HC >>> as others here have stated. >>> >>> Likewise the cost to do what you want to do >>> after a simple cost benefit analysis I believe >>> would show that the cost isn’t worth the >>> little benefit you might get back. >>> >>> Good luck with whatever you decide to do. >>> >>> Rick >>> On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: Hi, all of you! Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how much it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its use by means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian sponsor, but again I might. But certainly not without an approximate suggestion of the price. My email at the University of Oslo is ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. Why not give it a try? Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
What about those small but important HC stacks causes them not to run in LiveCode? What errors do you get? On 1/26/2019 3:46 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: Hi Rick, right on target. Not tons, but a small group that are very valuable to me. -And to all of you, thanks for sympathetic and encouraging comments! Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone 26. jan. 2019 kl. 21:33 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode : Hi Ingar, The only reason I can see for wanting HC again is if you have tons and tons of old HC stacks that you really need to be able to run without having to do the work of turning them in to LC stacks. If that isn’t the case for you, then I wouldn’t waste the time. LC is the all grown-up version of HC as others here have stated. Likewise the cost to do what you want to do after a simple cost benefit analysis I believe would show that the cost isn’t worth the little benefit you might get back. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Rick On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: Hi, all of you! Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how much it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its use by means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian sponsor, but again I might. But certainly not without an approximate suggestion of the price. My email at the University of Oslo is ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. Why not give it a try? Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
Hi Rick, right on target. Not tons, but a small group that are very valuable to me. -And to all of you, thanks for sympathetic and encouraging comments! Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone > 26. jan. 2019 kl. 21:33 skrev Rick Harrison via use-livecode > : > > Hi Ingar, > > The only reason I can see for wanting HC again > is if you have tons and tons of old HC stacks > that you really need to be able to run without > having to do the work of turning them in to LC stacks. > > If that isn’t the case for you, then I wouldn’t waste > the time. LC is the all grown-up version of HC > as others here have stated. > > Likewise the cost to do what you want to do > after a simple cost benefit analysis I believe > would show that the cost isn’t worth the > little benefit you might get back. > > Good luck with whatever you decide to do. > > Rick > >> On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Hi, all of you! >> Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how much >> it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its use by >> means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian sponsor, but >> again I might. But certainly not without an approximate suggestion of the >> price. My email at the University of Oslo is ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. >> Why not give it a try? >> Ingar >> >> Sendt fra min iPhone >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
Hi Ingar, The only reason I can see for wanting HC again is if you have tons and tons of old HC stacks that you really need to be able to run without having to do the work of turning them in to LC stacks. If that isn’t the case for you, then I wouldn’t waste the time. LC is the all grown-up version of HC as others here have stated. Likewise the cost to do what you want to do after a simple cost benefit analysis I believe would show that the cost isn’t worth the little benefit you might get back. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Rick > On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi, all of you! > Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how much > it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its use by > means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian sponsor, but > again I might. But certainly not without an approximate suggestion of the > price. My email at the University of Oslo is ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. > Why not give it a try? > Ingar > > Sendt fra min iPhone > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
So well said! I love this. On 1/26/19 10:57 AM, dunbarxx via use-livecode wrote: Treat it like a grandfather. Love it, but do not discard your cell phone and install a wall phone in your kitchen. You know, the one with the six foot cord. That was a miracle too, in its day. Craig Newman -- Phil Davis ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
Yet one more take. Years ago, when I first started LC, I still mainly used HC for business and pleasure. I still do. I was one of those die-hard nostalgia types that accepted LC, but all the while stubbornly stuck to, and extolled, my HC roots. Revolutionaries die hard. I regularly update and modify the dozen or so HC stacks, running on a peer-to-peer network, that still form an important part of my business. When I do that work in HC, I have to unlearn LC, and that process made me long ago realize that I had changed to a LC revolutionary, almost without my realizing it. The unlearning, in every respect, shows me that LC does it better, more elegantly, more natively and, well, better. HC is, I am embarrassed to say, embarrassing. I would never tell anyone that, of course. This is not its fault. It is just old, and though it once was miraculous, it is now, relatively, feeble. Treat it like a grandfather. Love it, but do not discard your cell phone and install a wall phone in your kitchen. You know, the one with the six foot cord. That was a miracle too, in its day. Craig Newman -- Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
Yes, I have "done", and in so doing I asked myself some pretty warped questions, of which the signal one was, "What on earth am I doing this for when the LiveCode IDE can be simplified sufficiently to exclude all developments post version 7 anyway?" Richmond. On 26.01.19 17:01, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote: I’ll join this chorus as well and add that LC has become what I had hoped Hypercard would become back in the day. LC is Hypercard on steroids! If your goal is to simplify LC, then do as I believe Richmond has already done, and build a simplified (limited) tool palette in LiveCode and call it RetroLC=HC. Roger On Jan 26, 2019, at 7:29 AM, hh via use-livecode wrote: (1) https://vipercard.net (2) https://github.com/kreativekorp/openxion (3) https://github.com/uliwitness/stacksmith/ See also the xtalk interviews here: http://www.zathras.de/angelweb/articles.htm (4) Why not make a rather complete LC HTML5 standalone? It could have an optional "retro-look" (HyperCard). This is then written in LC Script and could use also the full javaScript of the modern browsers. Is already now several steps above (1). ++ Would require to add improved keyboard support to LC's HTML5 engine. ++ Could start from (edit and set scripts): https://hyperhh.de/html5/hhTestInStandalone-9.0.2hhX.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
There is also https://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/ that lets you have retro pc's (IBM/Atari/Mac) in the browser. The MacPlus could be enhanced to have the full latest HyperCard available. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
I’ll join this chorus as well and add that LC has become what I had hoped Hypercard would become back in the day. LC is Hypercard on steroids! If your goal is to simplify LC, then do as I believe Richmond has already done, and build a simplified (limited) tool palette in LiveCode and call it RetroLC=HC. Roger > On Jan 26, 2019, at 7:29 AM, hh via use-livecode > wrote: > > (1) https://vipercard.net > > (2) https://github.com/kreativekorp/openxion > > (3) https://github.com/uliwitness/stacksmith/ > > See also the xtalk interviews here: > http://www.zathras.de/angelweb/articles.htm > > (4) Why not make a rather complete LC HTML5 standalone? > It could have an optional "retro-look" (HyperCard). > > This is then written in LC Script and could use also the > full javaScript of the modern browsers. > Is already now several steps above (1). > > ++ Would require to add improved keyboard support to LC's > HTML5 engine. > > ++ Could start from (edit and set scripts): > https://hyperhh.de/html5/hhTestInStandalone-9.0.2hhX.html > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
(1) https://vipercard.net (2) https://github.com/kreativekorp/openxion (3) https://github.com/uliwitness/stacksmith/ See also the xtalk interviews here: http://www.zathras.de/angelweb/articles.htm (4) Why not make a rather complete LC HTML5 standalone? It could have an optional "retro-look" (HyperCard). This is then written in LC Script and could use also the full javaScript of the modern browsers. Is already now several steps above (1). ++ Would require to add improved keyboard support to LC's HTML5 engine. ++ Could start from (edit and set scripts): https://hyperhh.de/html5/hhTestInStandalone-9.0.2hhX.html ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
I concur with the other replies so far. LiveCode is HyperCard. If you want to limit yourself to only cards, fields, and buttons, just do so. You can do pretty much everything HyperCard did: create a stack of multiple cards; place buttons and fields on cards; draw on cards; navigate between cards; and so on. Just ignore all the other controls and features if you don't want them. On 1/26/2019 2:22 AM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: Hi, all of you! Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how much it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its use by means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian sponsor, but again I might. But certainly not without an approximate suggestion of the price. My email at the University of Oslo is ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. Why not give it a try? Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
I learnt a lot from HyperCard in 1993 . . . when watching my 6 month year old son. However, my son is now working his way towards his 27th birthday, and does not need the sort of attention from me that he needed then. LiveCode IS, to all intents and purposes, HyperCard, in much the same way as my son, Alexander is to all intents and purposes the baby he was 26 years ago. However, LiveCode, like my son, has got the odd extra skill it has acquired in those 26 years. There is NO need to "make HC great again" because Kevin Miller and his band of very clever people have already done that. What 'facilitating Hypercard by means of an LC-app' means I just don't know. If my son gets married and fathers a child, I may have to cope with "HyperCard" again, but, as I have LiveCode I will gladly hand the grandchild over to my son having made the culturally appropriate "oohs and aahs". What possible advantage could there possibly be from reviving a hobby-horse (progenitor of the bicycle that had no pedals) when one can pop down the road and buy a bicycle with upward of 15 gears, a sprung saddle and a decent lamp on the front? Someone, who has not sat down and thought things through carefully comes up with a "HyperCard Revived" posting about once every 2 years . . . I got out a machine I have that runs Hypercard and felt very, very sad running the thing as, frankly, after about 18 years of exposure to LiveCode (that's about 3 times as long as my exposure to HyperCard), HyperCard looked pathetic; and, with the vision of hindsight it is; while when it was "the thang" it was revolutionary. Richmond. On 26.01.19 9:22, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode wrote: Hi, all of you! Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how much it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its use by means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian sponsor, but again I might. But certainly not without an approximate suggestion of the price. My email at the University of Oslo is ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. Why not give it a try? Ingar Sendt fra min iPhone ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
What specific attributes of HC would you want to facilitate? Why would you want to make a cut down version of LC which is essentially HC with modern features (and cross platform)? I’m failing to see the benefits to students/users over using LC directly. Sean Cole Pi Digital Prod Ltd > On 26 Jan 2019, at 07:22, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi, all of you! > Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how much > it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its use by > means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian sponsor, but > again I might. But certainly not without an approximate suggestion of the > price. My email at the University of Oslo is ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. > Why not give it a try? > Ingar > > Sendt fra min iPhone > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Should I forget HC? Honestly?
As someone who last year sold all my PPC Mac Minis that ran HyperCard, I’d suggest that you either get a version of Mac OS 9 running in a simulator, and run the real HyperCard, or switch to Livecode in all its glory. Trying to build a limited version of Livecode, that mimics HyperCard, seems like a lifetime of chasing bugs for a small number of users who probably want to actually build something they can run on their smart phones. Sure they can build great things with what HyperCard had to offer, if only they could use that one modern feature available in Livecode. I suggest you teach them a solid subset of Livecode and let them discover everything else on their own. Just my thoughts. Kee Nethery > On Jan 25, 2019, at 11:22 PM, Ingar Roggen via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi, all of you! > Twice I have asked through this list for help to get an idea about how much > it would cost «to make HC great again», that is, to facilitate its use by > means of an LC-app. I may not succeed in getting a Norwegian sponsor, but > again I might. But certainly not without an approximate suggestion of the > price. My email at the University of Oslo is ingar.rog...@sosiologi.uio.no. > Why not give it a try? > Ingar > > Sendt fra min iPhone > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
