Re: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 259

[scott--- via use-livecode]

Jacque,

I just followed a lesson to accomplish the same thing. Were you using LibURL or 
tsNet? I was successful using tsNet but not yet when trying to do it with 
LibURL. I was hoping to have both methods available so that the stack would 
also work with the community version when I shared it…

At the end of Andre’s book I followed a link to his website and ended up 
wanting to purchase one of the drip coffee cones he talked about… but not the 
exploding tea infuser!
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> On Mar 23, 2021, at 7:32 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I read it today too and it was inspiring, which was the whole point really. A 
> couple of the footnotes made me laugh. I already make a lot of my own tools 
> and plugins but I did get some ideas from the book.
> 
> I immediately set about updating one of my tools and got stuck. So the next 
> question is: how long should you spend making a tool when you could have done 
> it faster the manual way?
> 
> I got stuck trying to FTPs a file to my server. The lesson I consulted didn't 
> work, and I stopped because figuring out why would have become a whole 
> project. So I'm back to dragging the file to a Fetch shortcut.
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> On March 23, 2021 7:08:59 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I finished reading Andre’s book last night. Always happy to read his musings 
>> about Livecode development!
>> --
>> Scott Morrow
>> 
>> Elementary Software
>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
>> web   https://elementarysoftware.com/
>> email sc...@elementarysoftware.com
>> booth1-360-734-4701
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>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 3/23/21 9:59 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
 I popped for the book. I already operate somewhat on this level but I 
 learned something as a teenager when teaching myself to play guitar: There 
 are always gaps in knowledge when a person learns that way.
>>> 
>>> I grabbed the book as well.
>>> I always learn things from Andre.
>>> 
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Re: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 259

[J. Landman Gay via use-livecode]

I read it today too and it was inspiring, which was the whole point really. 
A couple of the footnotes made me laugh. I already make a lot of my own 
tools and plugins but I did get some ideas from the book.


I immediately set about updating one of my tools and got stuck. So the next 
question is: how long should you spend making a tool when you could have 
done it faster the manual way?


I got stuck trying to FTPs a file to my server. The lesson I consulted 
didn't work, and I stopped because figuring out why would have become a 
whole project. So I'm back to dragging the file to a Fetch shortcut.

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On March 23, 2021 7:08:59 PM scott--- via use-livecode 
 wrote:


I finished reading Andre’s book last night. Always happy to read his 
musings about Livecode development!

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email sc...@elementarysoftware.com
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On Mar 23, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
 wrote:


On 3/23/21 9:59 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
I popped for the book. I already operate somewhat on this level but I 
learned something as a teenager when teaching myself to play guitar: There 
are always gaps in knowledge when a person learns that way.


I grabbed the book as well.
I always learn things from Andre.

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Re: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 259

[scott--- via use-livecode]

I finished reading Andre’s book last night. Always happy to read his musings 
about Livecode development!
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> On Mar 23, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 3/23/21 9:59 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> I popped for the book. I already operate somewhat on this level but I 
>> learned something as a teenager when teaching myself to play guitar: There 
>> are always gaps in knowledge when a person learns that way.
> 
> I grabbed the book as well.
> I always learn things from Andre.
> 
> -- 
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> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: A question for LC and Windows 10 experts

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

I can confirm that as long as your code does not crash, a lc stack will run
indefinitely.
Even sleep/awake cycles do not disturb it.
However, the last time I tried to run a lc stack with the 'windowless'
mode... i forget what flag it is ... -ui maybe?
I suddenly had full cpu usage on that core,
Other than that.:)
You can trust the engine.
If you deploy well tested code.
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Re: A question for LC and Windows 10 experts

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Hi  jbv,

i have several apps running on Windows 10  (and before that on Vista) that run 
unattended. Not all on the same machine, but up to 3 standalones per machine.
Some standalones  are running in the background and the repeating tasks are 
executed using the "sendto ... in  seconds" and other standalones are 
executed every x minutes using the Windows 10  Task Scheduler.
This both runs here now for years without any significant problem.

Another nice tool for running apps at a scheduled time is MacroScheduler from 
MjtNet (https://www.mjtnet.com). It's not just a Scheduler but also a powerful 
Macro tool. I am using that tool also for years now. A little bit expensive one 
could say, but worth every cent.

Regards,

Matthias



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> Am 23.03.2021 um 19:50 schrieb jbv via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi list,
> I have a request from a client to sync an accounting software
> running on a PC under Windows 10 and a database on a remote
> server.
> Below is a short description of the solution I have imagined,
> and I would welcome opinions & critics from other list members,
> as I'm not really familiar with Win 10.
> 
> - I will build a small standalone app with LC, that will launch
> at start up along with Win 10 and will keep running in the
> background. Let's name it "myApp".
> 
> - some programmable tasks in the accounting software will create
> xml files in a local directory when some actions are performed,
> for instance : entering a new customer or a new order.
> 
> - every 5 min or so, myApp will check the directory for possible
> new files, and will send their content to the remote server as
> parameters of a POST request.
> If no file is found, the POST request will be sent to the server
> anyway.
> 
> - on the server, a script will be triggered and will enter the
> parameters of the request (the xml data) into the DB, and will
> return data relative to possible events that happened on the server,
> if any, in the form of xml.
> 
> - myApp will write the returned xml data as a file in a directory
> on the PC, and another programmable task in the software will read
> the file and import the data.
> 
> My main concern is the app running constantly in the background.
> Is it safe ? Is it Win 10 compatible ? Is there anything I miss ?
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> jbv
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A question for LC and Windows 10 experts

[jbv via use-livecode]

Hi list,
I have a request from a client to sync an accounting software
running on a PC under Windows 10 and a database on a remote
server.
Below is a short description of the solution I have imagined,
and I would welcome opinions & critics from other list members,
as I'm not really familiar with Win 10.

- I will build a small standalone app with LC, that will launch
at start up along with Win 10 and will keep running in the
background. Let's name it "myApp".

- some programmable tasks in the accounting software will create
xml files in a local directory when some actions are performed,
for instance : entering a new customer or a new order.

- every 5 min or so, myApp will check the directory for possible
new files, and will send their content to the remote server as
parameters of a POST request.
If no file is found, the POST request will be sent to the server
anyway.

- on the server, a script will be triggered and will enter the
parameters of the request (the xml data) into the DB, and will
return data relative to possible events that happened on the server,
if any, in the form of xml.

- myApp will write the returned xml data as a file in a directory
on the PC, and another programmable task in the software will read
the file and import the data.

My main concern is the app running constantly in the background.
Is it safe ? Is it Win 10 compatible ? Is there anything I miss ?
Thanks in advance.

jbv

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Re: numberformat question

[jbv via use-livecode]

Thank you.
I will take a close look at it.

Meanwhile I have finetuned my LC script : it returns the same
results as the js script, and according to my tests, solves
1000 cubic equations in roughly 0.8 second.


Le 2021-03-23 07:14, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode a écrit :

A few years back I needed calculation to a precision of 300 decimals.
I found a js solution by -hh in the forum, which solved my need:
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29018&start=30


It runs in a browser widget, with easy input from and output to LC
script. I don’t know the precision limit, but it’s way more than 300
IIRC.

Maybe useful here?

/Andreas
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Re: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 259

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On 3/23/21 9:59 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I popped for the book. I already operate somewhat on this level but I learned 
something as a teenager when teaching myself to play guitar: There are always 
gaps in knowledge when a person learns that way.


I grabbed the book as well.
I always learn things from Andre.

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Re: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 259

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I popped for the book. I already operate somewhat on this level but I learned 
something as a teenager when teaching myself to play guitar: There are always 
gaps in knowledge when a person learns that way.

Bob S


On Mar 23, 2021, at 7:57 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hey Panos,

Thanks for including the message about my new book in the newsletter.
Thanks a ton :-)

Best
A

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Re: [ANN] New Book: Development Oriented Development

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I have a system whereby I have a popup menu when right-clicking a data grid. In 
the menu, I can enter the name of a database table to link the data grid to, 
and another for afterward dropping a label / field combination as a group onto 
the card which itself is then linked to a column in that table. This makes 
creating forms based on database columns MUCH easier. In my data grid library 
selectionChanged goes through each of these linked fields and populates them 
with the selected data. The groups, labels and fields are automatically named 
according to the table column at the time of creation.

So to your point, thoughtful design and preparation on the front end reaps a 
harvest of time on the back end.

Bob S


On Mar 23, 2021, at 8:04 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

You advice to look for areas of friction in your workflow really relates
to an experience I had recently.  For a new project I had to make lots of
fields with lots of labels and changing the text of a label takes way
longer than it should.  Finally, after years of grumbling to myself that
this should be easier I created a handler that I added as a behaviour to a
template label field.  Basically it allows you to set the text of a label
by double clicking with the browse tool on a text label field and then
entering the text in an answer dialog. I could then option drag the label
field template and then change its text with a simple double click. As a
bonus I could set it to align left by holding the option + double clicking
the label field.

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Re: [ANN] New Book: Development Oriented Development

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Hi Martin,

Thanks a ton for the kind words and feedback. Your message makes me quite
happy because what you're describing is exactly the kind of experience that
I wanted to encourage when I wrote that book. Let us know how your plugin
writing goes :-) oh, I'm also interested in feedback for part 2 of that
book which is about project-focused tooling, if you have any thoughts about
it, I'd be keen to know more.

Thanks!
A

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 15:49, Martin Koob  wrote:

> Hi Andre
>
> I am enjoying your new book. It demystifies for me plug-ins and how to
> create them. My mystification creates anxiety around venturing into
> creating a plugin much less adding existing plugins to my IDE and
> configuring them.  After reading the first sections of your book that
> anxiety is dissipating.
>
> You advice to look for areas of friction in your workflow really relates
> to an experience I had recently.  For a new project I had to make lots of
> fields with lots of labels and changing the text of a label takes way
> longer than it should.  Finally, after years of grumbling to myself that
> this should be easier I created a handler that I added as a behaviour to a
> template label field.  Basically it allows you to set the text of a label
> by double clicking with the browse tool on a text label field and then
> entering the text in an answer dialog. I could then option drag the label
> field template and then change its text with a simple double click. As a
> bonus I could set it to align left by holding the option + double clicking
> the label field.
>
> It worked ok speeding up that task but it was a handler incorporated in a
> specific project. I thought this should be incorporated into the IDE to
> really work as I intended but I wasn’t sure how I could do that. I had
> thoughts of frontscripts or backscripts or plugins in mind but I did not
> know how to work with any of these, and, due to the mystification factor
> which leads to anxiety which prevents me from trying new approaches I
> didn’t go any further with that.  Now after reading up to page 43 of your
> book I think that I should be able to create a plugin to add this feature
> to mould the IDE.
>
> Now I am starting the section “What are your needs?” Well I already have
> my need in mind — a quick and easy way to set label field text.  My goal
> now is to create a plugin that will accomplish this.   Looking forward to
> learning how in the rest of your book.
>
> Martin Koob.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone after much consternation trying to type with one
> finger.
>
> > On Mar 17, 2021, at 6:02 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks a ton for the kind words my friends :D
> >
> > In essence, this is a very simple book that is aiming to convey a single
> > idea: "you can and should create  your own tools". I think that is a
> topic
> > that we need to explore more.
> >
> > Cheers
> > A
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 at 01:56, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Andre
> >>
> >> I had to get this one. The title alone intrigued me. But looking at the
> >> contents I know I need it to grow further. I'm looking forward to
> getting
> >> your insights. I'll start tonight.
> >>
> >> All the very best
> >> Sean
> >> Pi
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 at 14:11, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi Friends,
> 
>  I'm quite happy to announce the initial release of my new LiveCode
> >> eBook.
>  This is a companion book to the previous "LiveCode Advanced
> Application
>  Architecture" eBook that dives further into making LiveCode IDE a
>  comfortable place for your development workflow.
> 
>  "Development Oriented Development" is a novel approach to coding with
>  LiveCode that prioritizes developer comfort and robustness by
> favouring
>  treating LiveCode as a mouldable environment. By the end of this book,
>  you’ll know how and why to build custom plugins to make your
> >> development
>  workflow easier, and how bespoke project-specific tools lead to
> >> software
>  that is easier to maintain.
> 
>  You can get the new book at: https://payhip.com/b/18eH
> 
>  I look forward to feedback, suggestions, and requests for more
> chapters
> 
>  Cheers
>  Andre
> 
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Re: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 259

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Hey Panos,

Thanks for including the message about my new book in the newsletter.
Thanks a ton :-)

Best
A

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 20:30, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
> community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!
>
> Read issue #259 here: http://bit.ly/3tY74Qj
>
> This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
> going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
> released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
> deliver each issue directly to your e-mail, so you don't miss any!
>
> If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
> somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.
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Re: numberformat question

[Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode]

A few years back I needed calculation to a precision of 300 decimals. I found a 
js solution by -hh in the forum, which solved my need:
https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=29018&start=30 


It runs in a browser widget, with easy input from and output to LC script. I 
don’t know the precision limit, but it’s way more than 300 IIRC.

Maybe useful here?

/Andreas
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Re: XCode 12.4 not working with LiveCode

[matthias rebbe via use-livecode]

Andre,

according the release notes of LC 9.6.2 RC3 the following Xcode versions are 
supported
Xcode 8.2 on MacOS X 10.11
Xcode 9.2 on MacOS 10.12 (Note: You need to upgrade to 10.12.6) 
Xcode 10.1 on MacOS 10.13 (Note: You need to upgrade to 10.13.4) 
Xcode 11.3 on MacOS 10.14 (Note: You need to upgrade to 10.14.4) 
Xcode 12.1 on MacOS 10.15 (Note: You need to upgrade to 10.15.4)

and LC builds against the following iOS versions
10.2 (included in Xcode 8.2) 
11.2 (included in Xcode 9.2) 
12.1 (included in Xcode 10.1) 
13.2 (included in Xcode 11.3) 
14.1 (included in Xcode 12.1)

If you are using an other LC version then please check the release notes for 
that version

https://downloads.livecode.com


Regards,
Matthias


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> Am 23.03.2021 um 10:50 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
> :
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I have XCode 12.4 here and I don't seem to be able to select it on the
> LiveCode preferences. It complains about not having the iOS SDK needed but
> I think it does, or at least it has the correct simulators.
> 
> Anyone have any clue how to make it work? I'm not running a beta version or
> anything, this is just the current released version.
> 
> Best
> A
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Re: XCode 12.4 not working with LiveCode

[panagiotis merakos via use-livecode]

Hello Andre,

Building with Xcode 12.4 is not supported yet - you need to download Xcode
12.1 if you are on MacOS Catalina+.

Support for Xcode 12.4 is coming in LC 9.6.3 RC-1

Kind regards,
Panos
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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I have XCode 12.4 here and I don't seem to be able to select it on the
> LiveCode preferences. It complains about not having the iOS SDK needed but
> I think it does, or at least it has the correct simulators.
>
> Anyone have any clue how to make it work? I'm not running a beta version or
> anything, this is just the current released version.
>
> Best
> A
>
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Re: XCode 12.4 not working with LiveCode

[William de Smet via use-livecode]

Hi André,

I use xcode 12.1 with LC 9.6.2 (rc 3)

Greetings,

William

> Op 23 mrt. 2021 om 10:52 heeft Andre Garzia via use-livecode 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I have XCode 12.4 here and I don't seem to be able to select it on the
> LiveCode preferences. It complains about not having the iOS SDK needed but
> I think it does, or at least it has the correct simulators.
> 
> Anyone have any clue how to make it work? I'm not running a beta version or
> anything, this is just the current released version.
> 
> Best
> A
> 
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XCode 12.4 not working with LiveCode

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Hi Folks,

I have XCode 12.4 here and I don't seem to be able to select it on the
LiveCode preferences. It complains about not having the iOS SDK needed but
I think it does, or at least it has the correct simulators.

Anyone have any clue how to make it work? I'm not running a beta version or
anything, this is just the current released version.

Best
A

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Want to support me? Buy me a coffee at https://ko-fi.com/andregarzia
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