Re: breakdown of my book (LiveCode Mobile Development)...

Colin, Thanks for the posting the outline to your book, it looks perfect for what I need to learn next, I'll definitely be buying a copy and I hope it's a big success for you. Paul ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please vis

Re: just where does livecode go when the ide takes a minute or two off?

Jacque- Friday, July 20, 2012, 10:06:00 PM, you wrote: > Was the dictionary open? Maybe that old user-notes bug came back? Hmmm. I don't remember. I'm just glad it came back to life. I fixed the typo "end ig -> end if", saved my work, escaped, and lived to tell the tale. -- -Mark Wieder mwie.

Re: just where does livecode go when the ide takes a minute or two off?

On 7/20/12 11:36 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Doc- Friday, July 20, 2012, 4:14:44 PM, you wrote: Sometimes there is a full cpu load when this happens, and sometimes not. I see this as well, and in fact just experienced this. CPU usage shot up to 50% for a couple of minutes and the disk was grindin

Re: just where does livecode go when the ide takes a minute or two off?

Doc- Friday, July 20, 2012, 4:14:44 PM, you wrote: > Sometimes there is a full cpu load when this happens, and sometimes not. I see this as well, and in fact just experienced this. CPU usage shot up to 50% for a couple of minutes and the disk was grinding away, then dropped back down to 5%. No r

Re: grRevAppIcon and the icons used buidling standalones

On 7/20/12 3:26 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I found directions and created an icon file, which is used building standalones. This doesn't, however, set gRevAppIcon. Right, it wouldn't. gRevAppIcon is a LiveCode global variable that the dialog stacks access. Since it's a variable, it needs to be se

Re: The future of LiveCode

On 7/20/12 5:38 PM, Potts Jeff wrote: I have tried to scrape the lessons to a local machine and it is not possible. I even raised the issue with LC support and was told that it was not possible to have the lessons presented in a way that we could download easily. Possibly because the lessons ar

Re: The future of LiveCode

Hi All, I started with HyperCard in a Mac Plus, then MacIIsi and later a Power Mac 7500. (I am not counting the PowerBook with a 68040 procesor) After I migrated to Windows, I found MetaCard, the antecesor of Livecode, but... What did you think it was the most fundamental difference between MetaC

Re: Background Color

Hi again. Sorry, too fast. set the backColor of Line 2 of fld "yourField" to "red" set the foreColor of Line 2 of fld "yourField" to "yellow" Craig Newman -Original Message- From: LunchnMeets To: use-livecode Sent: Fri, Jul 20, 2012 3:48 pm Subject: Background Color Hi Everyon

Re: Background Color

Hi. Try this: set the backColor of fld "yourField" to "red" set the foreColor of fld "yourField" to "yellow" Craig Newman -Original Message- From: LunchnMeets To: use-livecode Sent: Fri, Jul 20, 2012 3:48 pm Subject: Background Color Hi Everyone, These are probably a ridiculou

Re: The future of LiveCode

Doc- Friday, July 20, 2012, 1:53:16 PM, you wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: >> You are saying we should sneak up behind the newbies and push them off the >> precipice? ;-) > I want the parachute concession! > (Satisfaction guaranteed. If it fails to work properly

Re: The future of LiveCode

Yes, a fantastic book that really unlocked HC for me. It is the best computer book I have ever read! Tim Selander Tokyo, Japan On 7/21/12 1:28 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: Professor Goldberg, A bit daunting because of its size, but I learned HyperTalk from the truly wonderful book: "HyperTalk The

Re: just where does livecode go when the ide takes a minute or two off?

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Yeah sounds like recursion to me. Yeah, but . . . Sometimes this happens while I'm in the editor and save . . . -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf...@gmail.com 3025 S. Maryland Parkway Suite A Las

breakdown of my book (LiveCode Mobile Development)...

I see that B&N have my book listed as being available on August 3rd. Amazon still shows it as September 2nd, but the publisher only just decided to bring it forward by a month, presumably Amazon's date will change. I was going to hold off describing the book until I knew exact dates, but as it's

Re: just where does livecode go when the ide takes a minute or two off?

Yeah sounds like recursion to me. It depends on how fast each cycle in the recursion is. If there are tasks that take a long time inside the loop, it may take a very long time. Also, I have seen errors in one of the UI elements that stopped execution, but left the IDE in some kind of unstable st

Re: The future of LiveCode

I find that preposterous. Of course it can be done if they redesign it that way! Sounds like that person was just putting you off. Bob On Jul 20, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Potts Jeff wrote: > I even raised the issue with LC support and was told that it > was not possible to have the lessons presented

Re: just where does livecode go when the ide takes a minute or two off?

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > hmmm... What version of LC? 5.5.1 5.5 did it, too. >And have you tried removing all your plugins to another folder temporarily >then restarting > LC to see if it helps? I'm still plugin free :) > Also, when this happens, try holding down t

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

Thanks for that! BTW, might I suggest brightening up the background color of the web page? Contrast is your friend when putting text on color. It kind of hurt to read that. Just a suggestion. Bob On Jul 20, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote: > That's similar to what I did with "taskRunne

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

Similar work is being done in Flash Player. They call the feature "concurrency workers". Here's the one paragraph description: "Concurrency (ActionScript Workers) — This feature enable developers to off-load certain tasks like high-latency operations and long-running computations to “workers”.

Re: The future of LiveCode

I have tried to scrape the lessons to a local machine and it is not possible. I even raised the issue with LC support and was told that it was not possible to have the lessons presented in a way that we could download easily. Again, without this, my clients are finding the proposition offered by LC

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

That's similar to what I did with "taskRunner" - a (could be headless) server which would accept commands, including - load stack - dispatch command to stack and would return the results of those commands - a client library to find and send commands to any such servers avai

Re: RevMobile: Native controls

I've thought about this a little. While I think the current situation is not ideal I also think that what people want is not what people would get if we had a native appearance on ios. The issue is we really need to be able to work in the appearance we are building for. If it were me steering t

Re: just where does livecode go when the ide takes a minute or two off?

hmmm... What version of LC? And have you tried removing all your plugins to another folder temporarily then restarting LC to see if it helps? Also, when this happens, try holding down the escape key. I've had issues where something has hung in one of the IDE stacks. That will usually free it up.

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

As others have mentioned you can use an event style or use 'open process'. Unfortunately, the later does not (yet) have callbacks. But, it has gotten a recent overhaul. You can do timing and polling with 'send'. I encourage trying the event style. Your contiguous script without a 'wait wi

Re: The future of LiveCode

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > You are saying we should sneak up behind the newbies and push them off the > precipice? ;-) I want the parachute concession! (Satisfaction guaranteed. If it fails to work properly, bring it back in person, and I'll cheerfully replace it).

just where does livecode go when the ide takes a minute or two off?

Sometimes when I've sent something into a loop, but othertimes just working in the editor, the ide locks up for what appears to be a minute or two. What is going on here? Does the IDE belong to a union or some such? :) -- The Hawkins Law Firm Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 hawkinslawf.

Re: The future of LiveCode

Hey! I might be their guy! I have been working for a non-profit almost my entire life! Bob On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Potts Jeff wrote: > I consult for small non-profits who want to make the jump from > Filemaker to something more advanced but not a full blown system > requiring full time e

Re: The future of LiveCode

You are saying we should sneak up behind the newbies and push them off the precipice? ;-) Bob On Jul 20, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Potts Jeff wrote: > Finally, LiveCode could benefit from designing materials using plain > english, step by step instructions to solving basic problems for > newbies. Agai

Re: The future of LiveCode

There are utilities that will scrape a web site and create a local copy of it. I am not sure you can do this with the documentation because it may be dynamically generated. If it is static, then you should be able to copy it. (Not sure what the authors would say to that.) In another response o

Re: The future of LiveCode

Welcome to the world of database disconnect. Products like Filemaker have a proprietary database mechanism built in. If fact thew Filemaker product is really some stuff running on top of a database engine. Products, any products that use SQL are in the same boat as Livecode, in that they allow y

Re: The future of LiveCode

I signed up for the Business Academy videos and went through them each day as the links arrived in my in box. I felt they were excellent in several ways: * each one was no more than 4-5 minutes long at the most. For busy people that's an ideal length. * they contain no fluff - they get rig

Re: The future of LiveCode

I'm late to the discussion, but my experience is that a proper set of tutorials and user manual need to be in place to attract new users. I have found like other commenters that the documentation and knowledge is all over the place and is not unified enough to make solving a problem more efficient

grRevAppIcon and the icons used buidling standalones

I found directions and created an icon file, which is used building standalones. This doesn't, however, set gRevAppIcon. Is there a civilized way to use the "standardized" mac Icon Composer, or otherwise link these? I also noticed that Icon Composer doesn't produce the 64x64 size that livecode w

Re: The future of LiveCode

The book comes in four bindings, and I have you jump from one to another every other sentence. Just so you feel on familiar ground. Just kidding… The book is a beginner's guide, and follows a format that Packt have built up over the years. At some point I'll post a message that shows the whole

Re: The future of LiveCode

Kevin Miller wrote: In the mean time, have you tried the Business Academy? It is our 4th "revision" of the Academy concept and has been the most successful by far at providing the information new (and even existing) users need in bite-sized chunks. +100 I've recommended the Business Academy to

Re: The future of LiveCode

I've already gone on too long, so apologies to all. But, it seems to me there's a manpower shortage. There's lots of work, and not enough engineers/coders/documentors/etc to meet it. What about volunteers? I'd /happily/ code up solutions to my troubles (no header access for http calls on mo

keydown is sending an openField message back to the original target

As I've started using behavior, this has happened to me a couple of times, and I can't nail it down. It seems to relate to the ide getting confused, because it just stopped when i shut down and reloaded livecode I have fields in a group with a keyDown handler, which is used to pop up another grou

Background Color

Hi Everyone, These are probably a ridiculous questions. In a script how do you change the background color of a field? Is it possible to have a different color background for each line of a field? If I choose a dark color for a line or background how do I reverse the type in that line so I can

Re: The future of LiveCode

Thanks for your feedback. It may interest you to know there are two books due to be published shortly. We are also hard at work on the new developers portal which will do a much better job of bringing the disparate information sources together in a highly searchable format. In the mean time, have

Re: The future of LiveCode

What might be a good idea is if people could submit help articles to the online help system that already exists. There should also be an online help system caching so that there is always a current local cached version of the help site in case you do not have access to the internet, and that sho

Re: The future of LiveCode

Not I. I have the online electronic book which I find vastly superior. I suppose for those who have no or crappy internet connections a book might be better... Bob On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Serious question: > > How many of the people who say they'd learn LiveCode

Re: The future of LiveCode

Ken Corey wrote: > Bottom Line, you simply can't say "Oh, we have a User Guide, if only > you'd read it." That's not what I wrote. My apologies for not being clearer about my intentions. My question was more in the spirit of usability testing, evaluating not the user but the system. Your s

Re: The future of LiveCode

It's a good question. I use the User Guide more as a reference tool than a learning tool, it's kinda the next level of resource above the dictionary for me. I think what the original post was about was more in the are of instructional materials and neither the User Guide nor the dictionary fill t

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

Hi Rod, Rod McCall wrote > > [snip] > right now we are implementing a car simulator environment > of which we will use LiveCode as the control console for > the simulation - at least that is the current plan. > [snip] > Some years ago, Scott Rossi posted a script that uses the command "send" t

Re: The future of LiveCode

The problem I had when I was starting LiveCode is that the information is scattered all over here and there. I was interested in LiveCode for mobile development. I started with the User Guide. I wanted to create a button on the screen. Okay, so create a new Main stack, drag the button out,

Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future

On Jul 19, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > If you haven't been to the runrev.com site lately, they have a whole section > on EDU, split into K-12 and higher ed: > That is a section on school. Homeschooled kids and self-motivated kids take

Re: RevMobile: Native controls

*Yes*, just tried now on iPad, ... ... on the test program, in the button Ask, change the "iPhone.." with "mobile.", do the same in the button "Connect", adjust the stack size for the size of your device and RUN ! :-) On a future release I will change the test program so p

LC/iOS Scroller Fix

Hi Guys, Ok so I almost had it all solved, and then I noticed that scrollers from other cards were "bleeding through" to current cards since we are no longer deleting them upon closeCard. The final solution I came up with is just to set the visibility of the scroller to "false" when closing the

Re: The future of LiveCode

Serious question: How many of the people who say they'd learn LiveCode better if there was a book they could read have read even a third of the 387 pages comprising the User Guide they already have? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com

Re: RevMobile: Native controls

That's cool. So, if you used mobileControlSet instead of iPhoneControlSet, would it still work with iPad? It should, I would think. ~Roger On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia wrote: > the library doesn't need any tweak, is the enclose demo test program > that every body need to

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > What I came up with is a standalone that accepted Applescript commands. I > could show, > hide, launch, quit, relocate the "window" and set the message, all through > Applescript. I've been toying with the idea of some kind of "headless" sta

Re: The future of LiveCode

I had been working with Foxpro for several years, and was astonished whenever I found a new command I didn't know about. But when I looked it up in the reference manual (that is all we had back then, no internet to make life simple for us) there it was plain as day. If we wanted to do somethin

Re: RevMobile: Native controls

Hi Roger, the library doesn't need any tweak, is the enclose demo test program that every body need to adjust for their needs (/I have written the test program for desktop and iPad because I use them; the library, fortunately, doesn't use any specific OS function/). :-) Guglielmo /P.S. : To

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

Bob, Your "poor man's MT is exactly the way many single-threading environments work. You can also, if you are up for it, have several iterations of LC Server that are spawnable - come to think of it, didn't someone write a LC web server that does just that? While I like being able to multi-thread

Re: RevMobile: Native controls

Maybe I wasn't clear. By Controls, I mean fields, buttons, etc. It seems a little odd as a design choice to say "well if you want your field on mobile to look like the platform you are building for, even though you selected the platform in the Standalone Application Preferences, you have to write

Re: The future of LiveCode

Professor Goldberg, A bit daunting because of its size, but I learned HyperTalk from the truly wonderful book: "HyperTalk The Book." By Winkler and Kamins, and later, our own, Jean DeVoto, who did the original RunRev dictionary. I am a strong believer in learning from examples--after the basic

Re: RevMobile: Native controls

I would call mergExt a suite of "native functionality add-ons" (officially: externals), specific to iOS only, rather than native controls for mobile. If runrev were to support native controls in the IDE, they would automatically change to the appropriate look-and-feel of the platform, either when

Re: The future of LiveCode

You can't at this time gift an iBook to someone. For Kindle you can, visit this page for more info: http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=2518188011 The Kindle version will read on the Kindle iOS and Android app too, you don't have to own a Kindle. The generic ebook version comes to you with yo

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

I've never tried it but I think the open process/read from process/write to process commands do that. Pete lcSQL Software On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I will say that LC could definitely use some native method that would > allow communications fr

Re: [OT] Easily run PostgreSQL on a Mac

I feel SOOO much better now! Bob On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thursday, July 19, 2012, Bob Sneidar wrote: > >> Apple would not DARE to UNINSTALL mySQL during an update would they?? > > > No more than they'd stop supporting Rosetta . . . > > :) _

Re: The future of LiveCode

I still say that Danny Goodman's ghost lurks here. Include a copy of the "Handbook" with each LC license, and a disclaimer about what is is and what it can do, Would a pdf of this be hard to make, or expensive? The disclaimer could be brief, and even include guidelines about where HC and LC fu

Re: RevMobile: Native controls

Because that would take more work, and nobody has done that work yet. I don't think anybody will either unless you can make an argument for how much extra revenue it will bring in for RR. I'm not being snarky here. There are hundreds of questions just like that in the QCC. I will say however,

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

I am not sure this will help, but I came up with the idea of having a separate standalone do certain tasks for me. For instance, I noticed that an animated GIF would stutter and stall while Livecode was executing script. I wanted it to be smooth. I wanted some kind of progress indicator while I

Re: The future of LiveCode

Colin Holgate wrote: > BTW, the final PDF file was sent to the printing press yesterday. CONGRATS!!! Now... I have a dumb question. I've never bought an ebook. In the real world, I can buy a book and give it to a friend. If I wanted to buy a few copies of Colin's new eBook to give to colleague

Re: can't get behavior to work

You cannot set a behavior to a field. It has to be a button. I asked about this when behaviors first were introduced. Trevor gave me some answer as to why, but I forget what it was now. Bob On Jul 19, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > I've been trying all day to get behavior, to work, a

Re: Stack file opened message?

>> Checked the dictionary but couldn't spot a message that's generated when a >> stack file is opened? I know of preOpenStack and openStack but I'm looking >> for something when a stack file is opened, not a stack. The only thing I can think of is to check the filename of the stack that gets the

Re: The future of LiveCode

Colin Holgate wrote: > BTW, the final PDF file was sent to the printing press yesterday. > The publisher decided to bring it forward one month. I like to > think that they could do that because I didn't overrun the schedule, > and sent back revisions quickly. Whatever the case it at least means >

RE: The future of LiveCode

> All other major programming languages have a variety of > manuals in the bookstores. Where are they for LiveCode? It > is insufficient to just direct the user to scattered > tutorials on the Internet or to seminars; there needs to be a > book that the user can easily use while learning the

Re: [ANN] Dropbox Livecode Library ...

On Jul 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia wrote: > Dear all, > I have just finished to develop the first release of a simple Livecode > library to access Dropbox from _any platform Livecode support_. > > The library uses the Dropbox REST API, so _only_ HTTPS GET and PUT (PUSH on > mobi

Re: [OT] Easily run PostgreSQL on a Mac

Andre, Good to help anyone to discover the PostgreSQL power and reliability in a very simple way to go. As a full ACID-compliant RDBMS, PostgreSQL is as secure as Oracle 10/11 can be in about any tasks... Le 19 juil. 2012 à 23:17, Andre Garzia a écrit : > Hey Folks, > > the fine people at Her

Re: RevMobile: Native controls

I've never really understood this issue: Why is it that one has to code the native controls on Android/ios? Why doesn't the compiler/standalone builder/whatever you want to call it just convert rr controls to native ones? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second

Re: The future of LiveCode

I wouldn't be so hopeful! The book isn't geared towards people who are learning programming, it's for people who already program in LiveCode but want to know about some of the mobile features, and how to get set up for developing mobile apps, and getting them into app stores. The first chapter i

Re: The future of LiveCode

Hi, i agree totally. I used Dan Shafer´s "Software at the Speed of Thought" when starting with RevStudio". It was a good introduction into programming with RevStudio. This book should be included with every LC license for free. Matthias Am 20.07.2012 um 15:02 schrieb stgoldb...@aol.com: >

Re: [ANN] New custom control > OS X Lion async png progress bar (on RevOnline)

On Jul 19, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Ah, but everything about a computer application is an illusion anyway, isn't > it? One geek to another: 'Go outside, the graphics are amazing!' -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig _

Re: The future of LiveCode

If it were me, and I had a 190 page primer/introduction written, i'd flesh it out and clean it up for public consumption and then publish it through amazon for the kindle. If nothing else it might help new people discover LC, and best case it will put some money in your pocket. Just a thought. On

Re: The future of LiveCode

No one is going to disagree with what you wrote :) One of the problems here is that LC is not a major programming language. To become one it'd need much better visibility, a ton of published books, several fan communities, learning courses offered in all big economy cities worldwide, etc. Howev

The future of LiveCode

I have used LiveCode extensively to develop my company's educational software. It's a great program. I think one of the reasons why LiveCode is not more widely adopted is the lack of an adequate user manual that would attract beginners. I ask, would you recommend the present LiveCode user

AW: bg checkbox with card specific value?

Thanks Mark, that was I was looking for, must have missed it Tiemo > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-livecode- > boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Schonewille > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Juli 2012 14:36 > An: How to use LiveCode >

Re: bg checkbox with card specific value?

Tiemo, Set the sharedHilite of the button to false. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Economy-x-Talk is looking for an amateur painter/cartoonist/poe

bg checkbox with card specific value?

Hi, when having a shared bg field, I can put different content into the same field on each cd with this bg. When having a button, eg. Checkbox on the same bg, the hilite status of this button is the same on each cd and can't be set different on each card. Is there any option where you can share

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

Dear Scott and Ken, Thanks for your replies. I will try out the solutions suggested. Right now the control console will only really be used to send/receive events as there is another simulation server and actual graphical environment - the AI for the cars will be handled elsewhere not in LiveCode.

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

Hi Rod: I'm don't use Python but if you're referring to threading as in multithreading -- running multiple threads simultaneously -- LiveCode doesn't have this. One way you can *kind of* simulate threading is using the send command: send "xyz" to button 5 in 20 millisecs . This doesn't accompli

Re: Threading or similar in LiveCode

Send can mimic this behaviour. You wouldn't want each car in its own 'thread', to be sure, as send has a certain amount of overhead...but it's a simple matter to set up recurring events: on animate --do some animation stuff here -- if your drawing loop can take a variable amount of time

Threading or similar in LiveCode

Dear LiveCoders, As I said in a previous email I am returning to LiveCode after a few years (well seven to be exact) so am a little rusty. Anyway right now we are implementing a car simulator environment of which we will use LiveCode as the control console for the simulation - at least that is the

Re: Why killing Media was killing an investment in the future

It also reminds me of the great class sizes debate which raged in Britain for years. I forget the exact numbers but essentially simply having smaller class sizes does not always improve attainment i.e. there is a point that was optimal, beyond that the improvement in the students was minimal if at