Its not a problem that is confined to Apple - though Apple maybe sets the
tone. You can see it in Linux too. Both Gnome 3 and KDE 4 have gone
through a phase of total user interface redesign. In both cases the result
was pretty unusable - though it doubtless conformed perfectly to HIG
I know there has been some discussion on the list lately but I remain confused.
I (along with I guess everyone else) have had a notification from the Mac App
Store that the update to Xcode 4.4 is available and I'm invited to upgrade.
What is the consensus - will I be able to continue iOS
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19065082
Richard Stallman - founder of the Free Software Foundation and the GNU
operating system - said releasing DRM-protected games on the open-source
platform would be unethical
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.en.html.
This man is a pain in
On 08/01/2012 10:40 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
Its not a problem that is confined to Apple - though Apple maybe sets the
tone. You can see it in Linux too. Both Gnome 3 and KDE 4 have gone
through a phase of total user interface redesign. In both cases the result
was pretty unusable - though
Well, yes, he's annoying. Unimpressive, and fanatical could describe
him. I met him 17 years ago when he came to the Labs at Sun where I was
working. I thought what a wackjob then...and he's gotten worse.
That doesn't mean he's wrong.
Look at the tendency of coporations to lock us out of our
On 08/01/2012 11:58 AM, Ken Corey wrote:
Well, yes, he's annoying. Unimpressive, and fanatical could describe
him. I met him 17 years ago when he came to the Labs at Sun where I
was working. I thought what a wackjob then...and he's gotten worse.
That doesn't mean he's wrong.
Look at the
Hi Scott,
Scott Rossi wrote
How I would do this -- 1) determine the offsets of all 3 gradient
coordinates from the graphic's loc, and 2) rotate the gradient coordinates
in alignment with however much the graphic is rotated, keeping in mind
offsets from the center.
Now it is working! :-D
Probably, yes ;-)
Le 1 août 2012 à 01:35, -=JB a écrit :
Trial and error are a part of developing. AI will be here soon and you will
probably be thankful for its ease in use and it will make programming even
easier too.
We are on the verge of fantastic changes that might come overnight.
On 08/01/2012 12:44 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
Probably, yes ;-)
Le 1 août 2012 à 01:35, -=JB a écrit :
Trial and error are a part of developing. AI will be here soon and you will
I thought Artificial Insemination had been here for at least 40 years. LOL.
probably be thankful for its
On 01/08/2012 08:40, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
Its not a problem that is confined to Apple - though Apple maybe sets the
tone. You can see it in Linux too. Both Gnome 3 and KDE 4 have gone
through a phase of total user interface redesign. In both cases the result
was pretty unusable - though it
Brillant. I concur.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Peter Alcibiades
palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
they have moved
from thinking of the UI and the OS as a whole as being something which
offers services to the users, to thinking of them as something which
governs
and controls the
I certainly would not consider 10% Mac marketshare as 'success'? If that is
the case, then Windows would be considered an interface personally touched
by the gods. And it can be argued iOS is 2 steps forward and 3 steps
backward. The fact is, it is not an iOS focussed on productivity. With no
file
Hi All,
You could download this stack from:
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/penToolv032h.zip
In this stack, you could import Adobe Ilustrator files 7 or minor
that uses gradients. Then, using the Transformation palette
you could scale, rotate, reflect and skew this imported file.
I love this thread, and all the old guys emphasising their thoughts and
emotions. However, you are all geezering on and on about the good old times,
how everything used to be much better when there was BASIC and CLI (or a
slightly less remote past). In theory, I like the idea of no save as, and
Yes Richmond, you are correct. The AI ship seemed to sail quite some time
ago. One of the top AI scientists, Doug Lenat, has been working on creating
an AI entity, Cyc (www.cyc.com) and wrote an interesting article: The
Voice of the Turtle: Whatever Happened to AI? which is an interesting read:
This is the way Apple tries to make the OS virus-proof. It's also tying into a
marketing idea, to bring every App under their app store umbrella, and a way to
control every applications purpose and function. Ethical, and Big Brother
considerations aside, for now, there's a setting in the
Yes, in theory I also like the idea of just talking to my computer and have
it understand what I say and just do it. The problem is, when things don't
work 100% right, people tend to get upset. It's actually one of the reasons
iPads don't do handwriting recognition. Apple tried it with Newton and
Björnke, thanks for the link!
I predicted here in this forum a couple years back this would happen on the
Mac. Apple would end up being the Gatekeeper of all the allowed software on
anyone's computer.
And, soon, just like it happened with Windows Vista, folks will just get
used to turning
Like I said, I agree in general...but what /should/ a good measure of a
successful interface be?
If you'd like to think of it that way, Windows (for all its faults) /is/
touched by the gods. My children have been getting ICT training at
school for the last four years, and what have they been
It's the little things that hurt. They ruined the really wonderful feature of
spaces in Snow Leopard, which allowed you to have a grid of separate desktops
in two dimensions. In Lion, no grid, it's a linear string, and it doesn't even
wrap around, so to get from one on the far right to one on
[OT] from the [OT]:: Chipp, did the app 'just' have web views and or doc pages
with like a splash screen? The reason I ask is we had to put a simple game into
some of our apps to get past the 'this could have been done in HTML5' objection
and I was wondering if this was a similar case for you.
The AI we have had in the past is primitive and not even close to the AI
I am talking about. i have not seen anything fantastic come from the old
so called AI because it was artificial in even claiming it to be AI.
As I have said, trial and error are a part of development. Many have good
reason
On 08/01/2012 04:31 PM, -=JB=- wrote:
The AI we have had in the past is primitive and not even close to the AI
I am talking about. i have not seen anything fantastic come from the old
so called AI because it was artificial in even claiming it to be AI.
snip
Artificial Intelligence if we
I didn't watch that much Star Trek but I think Spock would disagree
with your theory about mood swings and AI.
-=JB=-
On Aug 1, 2012, at 6:48 AM, Richmond wrote:
On 08/01/2012 04:31 PM, -=JB=- wrote:
The AI we have had in the past is primitive and not even close to the AI
I am talking
On 08/01/2012 05:15 PM, -=JB=- wrote:
I didn't watch that much Star Trek but I think Spock would disagree
with your theory about mood swings and AI.
Oddly enough, I was being serious about AI, not making goofy remarks to
be analysed by characters from a TV series.
-=JB=-
On Aug 1, 2012,
And I was being serious about mood swings and AI.
-=JB=-
On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Richmond wrote:
On 08/01/2012 05:15 PM, -=JB=- wrote:
I didn't watch that much Star Trek but I think Spock would disagree
with your theory about mood swings and AI.
Oddly enough, I was being serious
Graham,
To answer your question about Xcode 4.4 and LiveCode 5.5.1, yes, you should be
just fine. I haven't had any problems getting the two to talk nicely. However,
and this is a fairly big however, Apple seems to have totally dropped support
for the iOS 4.3 simulator. I'm not totally sure if
On 08/01/2012 05:20 PM, -=JB=- wrote:
And I was being serious about mood swings and AI.
Ahah. Well, in that case can you explain how mood swings can be reduced
to a set of mathematical
equations?
-=JB=-
On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Richmond wrote:
On 08/01/2012 05:15 PM, -=JB=- wrote:
No, I cannot explain it at this time.
-=JB=-
On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Richmond wrote:
On 08/01/2012 05:20 PM, -=JB=- wrote:
And I was being serious about mood swings and AI.
Ahah. Well, in that case can you explain how mood swings can be reduced to a
set of mathematical
equations?
Hasn't the quantification of emotion already been solved? Quite a while ago
I think. A mac had a pretty stable AI. Mostly it just works. But push it
to the point of upset? Instant sad face.
Atari ST was a much more militant AI. When it was unhappy or angry it
would throw bombs on the screen,
Richmond wrote:
One of the initial premises of Linux was that folks could muck it
around to their heart's content, especially with regard to the GUI;
if this is lost and/or removed a very great part of the appeal of
Linux for the average Joe will be lost.
You have more than a hundred distros
On 08/01/2012 05:41 PM, -=JB=- wrote:
No, I cannot explain it at this time.
The thing that I find fussing is the boundless optimism of very many
people that the reduction of everything (as per Carnap) to Mathematical
descriptions will eventually happen.
This is best pointed out by the
On 08/01/2012 05:45 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
Hasn't the quantification of emotion already been solved? Quite a while ago
I think. A mac had a pretty stable AI. Mostly it just works. But push it
to the point of upset? Instant sad face.
Atari ST was a much more militant AI. When it was unhappy
On 08/01/2012 05:50 PM, ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote:
Richmond wrote:
One of the initial premises of Linux was that folks could muck it
around to their heart's content, especially with regard to the GUI;
if this is lost and/or removed a very great part of the appeal of
Linux for the
If did not use the phrase at this time it would obviously limit
my ability to learn and explain things in the future.
But given mood swings tend to cause irrational thinking as can
be seen in the my girfriend phrase it should not be too hard for
a computer to use certain events and respond
To a pure Marxist Communist, these are in fact synonyms. Maybe he is one of
those.
Bob
On Aug 1, 2012, at 1:01 AM, Richmond wrote:
This man has resemanticised ethical to mean completely free and open
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If you try to compare iOS with a desktop OS, then yeah, all your conclusions
are going to be skewed. Apple's intention was not necessarily to make a full
blown production OS, comparable to modern OS environments. Perhaps we should
also add to the equation developer intent. If users bought iOS
I think that is like saying a seller of homes is a complete paranoid fanatic
because he decided to upgrade the locks and put in the latest state of the art
alarm systems. People who try to make this argument keep saying every like it
was a fact that was just known and beyond dispute. To my
Sorry this is one of my many pet peeves. Everything hinges on what you mean by
learn and act. Tell me this, what new thing has a computer learned that no
human knew before? And how did the computer act on that new knowledge? I think
AI is an illusion, produced by the old trick of bait and
These equations are all imagined. In the end, the intelligent computer would
just be doing exactly what it was programmed to do. As I said before, the
appearance of random acts would be purely illusionary. A human can feel a mood
swing coming on, and then make a choice as to whether or not to
That is basically what I was saying when I said that the AI we have
seen is primitive and it was artificial in even calling it AI.
In the near future you will be able to put all of the info in the world
on a small dot. With that intelligence the dot will have more power
than every computer and
I tend to think that is understanding. Wisdom to me is the ability to decide
what to do about it.
Bob
On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:41 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
Hopefully they will learn a lesson from those who really
knew best, like Mr. Russell Lincoln Ackoff:
Wisdom is the ability to see
Hi All,
I made an small update to the stack penTool.
You could download this stack from:
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/stacks/penToolv032h.zip
In this version, you could import Adobe Ilustrator files 7 or minor
that uses gradients. Then, using the Transformation palette
you could
I think underlying all of this is the common conundrum where someone new comes
in to take over management because the position was recently vacated. Even
though the last person had everything working like a well oiled machine, where
everything worked and everyone knew their jobs and did them
Greetings --
I'm using the gRevAppIcon keyword to display the icon for my app in the ask or
answer dialog boxes, which nicely produces a message preceded by my icon (e.g.
my app icon and You can either PRINT the information that is currently
displayed or SAVE it to disk to open later with a
Ed,
Define an icon file in the standalone application settings and this icon will
be used for the alert dialog window, which is displayed by the operating
system.
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Best regards,
Mark Schonewille
Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Thanks,
On Jul 23, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Richmond wrote:
On 07/23/2012 11:09 PM, Hershel Fisch wrote:
Hi, I made a small stack for check printing, but when finished i realized
that it does not print straight. its not perfectly horizontal. wondering?
Thanks, Hershel
Well, I just set up
Hi Tom,
Yes. It pretty much had web / doc views and a hierarchy of menu screens to
navigate them.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
[OT] from the [OT]:: Chipp, did the app 'just' have web views and or doc
pages with like a splash
On 08/01/2012 07:42 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
These equations are all imagined. In the end, the intelligent computer would
just be doing exactly what it was programmed to do. As I said before, the appearance of
random acts would be purely illusionary. A human can feel a mood swing coming on, and
Alejandro Tejada capellan2000@... writes:
(Anyone have Undo code to spare?)
Here's a framework for unlimited undos. It's set to archive the script of
objects, but is easily modifiable for other properties.
-- Undo support
local sUndoPointArray
/**
* Undo.Retrieve
*
* Retrive an element from
Your awesome Alejandro!
Someone give you a proper biezer graphic please! Or at least a smoothing
property on a polygon.
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Software development services
mergExt - There's an external for that!
On 02/08/2012, at 2:58 AM, Alejandro Tejada capellan2...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
Hi Mark,
Mark Wieder wrote
Here's a framework for unlimited undos. It's set to archive the script of
objects, but is easily modifiable for other properties.
[snip]
Amazing! Did you have a sample stack to play with?
I was thinking about saving every user action that results in
1)
Alejandro-
Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 2:36:49 PM, you wrote:
Amazing! Did you have a sample stack to play with?
It's almost verbatim what I do in glx2 to allow unlimited undos. The
adaptations are the elimination of script-editor-specific things like
saving and restoring the scroll and field
Hi Monte,
Monte Goulding wrote
Your awesome Alejandro!
Someone give you a proper biezer graphic please!
Or at least a smoothing property on a polygon.
Many Thanks for your compliments!
Just remember that this BETA and there is no UNDO. ;-)
So always play safe!
About smoothing, you are
[sorry if this finishes up being duplicated]
Here's a tiny LC file to download a JPEG (fixed file name to make it as
simple as possible) which should get you further ...
?lc
start using stack common.livecode
put URL(binfile:./family/threeofakind/2006_0314Image0021.JPG) into
tData
put
Hi Mark,
Mark Wieder wrote
It's almost verbatim what I do in glx2 to allow unlimited undos. The
adaptations are the elimination of script-editor-specific things like
saving and restoring the scroll and field selection.
glx2 is one of the most extraordinary examples of smart coding
using
About smoothing, you are talking about the jagged edge of
the graphics in the sample images:
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/alejandro/img/Gradients06.jpg
Yes, What would be great is if a polygon could be made to draw an antialiased
curve from point a to point c via point b rather than a
Well, here is another link with content related to this thread:
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/
Read first the really funny article: New Programming Jargon
Al
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Alejandro-
Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 5:10:33 PM, you wrote:
Well, here is another link with content related to this thread:
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/
Read first the really funny article: New Programming Jargon
! I am so adding a rubber duck to my office in the morning...
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I see there is an editScript message that is sent when a script is opened
for editing but I don't see one for when it is saved/applied. Is there
such a thing?
The dictionary says that editScript isn't sent when the development
environment is active, which I assume means in the IDE?
Pete
lcSQL
On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
Sorry this is one of my many pet peeves. Everything hinges on what you mean
by learn and act. Tell me this, what new thing has a computer learned
that no human knew before? And how did the computer act on that new
knowledge? I think AI is an
Pete-
Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 6:56:49 PM, you wrote:
I see there is an editScript message that is sent when a script is opened
for editing but I don't see one for when it is saved/applied. Is there
such a thing?
You mean like when you press the Apply button? That triggers a set
the
And I believed that it was a good idea
to create unique variable names to make
impossible colitions in the namespace of a
shared environment like LiveCode:
21 - Smurf Naming Convention
When almost every class has the same prefix. IE, when a user clicks on the
button, a SmurfAccountView passes a
Alejandro-
I once had an email account at mwie...@mail.dotcom.com. Try saying
that to someone over the phone. I wasn't all that disappointed when
they went under.
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mwie...@ahsoftware.net
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On 8/1/12 7:10 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
Well, here is another link with content related to this thread:
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/
Read first the really funny article: New Programming Jargon
I have created Jenga code myself! And nearly all the HyperCard ports
I've done contain lots
Alejandro-
Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 4:04:47 PM, you wrote:
glx2 is one of the most extraordinary examples of smart coding
using the best features of this development platform.
Uh oh. I'd better release this then since I've been keeping the undo
stuff to myself so far...
GLX2 3.0.10
new
On 8/1/12 3:35 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Undo.Store pObject, tCount, the htmltext of field kCodeField of stack self
Self?
Something undocumented, or an omitted local?
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