Re: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store?
Kinda sorta. In iOS 8 if you want to somewhat misuse the service (it's meant for beta testing) you can use TestFlight and install onto 1000 devices. https://developer.apple.com/support/appstore/TestFlight/ Gerry On 3 Jul 2014, at 8:39 am, Ralph DiMola rdim...@evergreeninfo.net wrote: Apple has removed the option to delete a device except at license renewal time. This limits non iStore distribution to 100 devices per year per license. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 00:43, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Richmond, Ten is defined as a constant and tenth as a keyword according to the dictionary. Eleven and eleventh aren't defined. Although a warning might be appropriate, it is easy to find out why it doesn't work, if one reads the dictionary: eleven and eleventh don't exist. Unfortunately, something lacking from the dictionary doesn't always mean that it doesn't exist :-( I agree it is silly that LiveCode only contains the constants one to ten. I'm not sure that it is possible to have an infinite number of constants defined as ordinal numbers, but it should be possible to do this for very large numbers. Perhaps a feature request? My feature request would be to REMOVE the ordinals! Then one could ONLY do: delete char 3 and so on and things would be consistent. Certainly my grumble (and it is only a grumble, it is NOT a roaring complaint) is about inconsistencies, which makes teaching Livecode a bit more difficult than perhaps may be necessary. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 01:59, Mark Schonewille wrote: No idea. Just take a pencil, start writing and see when you think you've had enough. That made my Friday morning a 1000 times brighter! Love you, man! Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 02:29, Charles E Buchwald wrote: Richmond, As a sometimes teacher myself, I really appreciate your compulsion to foster initiative. How about showing your champion how to define constants? Then she could go ahead and use eleven and twelve and so on... - Charles That's not a bad idea: although it wouldn't be defining eleven and twelve, it would be eleventh and twelfth. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 02:50, Jerry Jensen wrote: In the Electronic Maintenance shop at Capitol Records, one guy had two stock answers that he snarkily claimed would answer all questions. First answer: three. Second answer: it can't be done. So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) .Jerry 42 Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 02:49, stephen barncard wrote: On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Charles E Buchwald char...@buchwald.ca wrote: These 21 additional words would allow numbers up to 999 billion if you construct your phrases like this: one hundred thousand two hundred fourteen or twenty million four hundred twenty two thousand three hundred forty six If you add the th suffix to the first nine, then you can include stuff like one hundred thousand two hundred fourteenth And of course a different set of constants for French, German, etc. Can a multi-dimensional constant be created? Ou est le vin rouge? Je suis fou apres le deluge! Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 03:59, Mark Wieder wrote: Jerry- Thursday, July 3, 2014, 4:50:45 PM, you wrote: So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) Three is also the largest number crows can distinguish, so that makes sense. Maybe next year I'll run a Livecode for Crows Summer School: should pull them in by the hundred. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 04:50, Jerry Jensen wrote: On Jul 3, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Jerry- Thursday, July 3, 2014, 4:50:45 PM, you wrote: So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) Three is also the largest number crows can distinguish, so that makes sense. Ah! Oh, wait... I'm not waiting for anyone; I'm off to the hospital to have an extra 6 toes grafted onto each foot so I can count in Hexadecimal. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 03:15, Paul Looney wrote: 31 - the maximum number of days in month. The Mayans used a 36 day month. And, as I am sure you are well aware, the number of Mayans programming with Livecode is swelling daily. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On Jul 3, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: What would seem a reasonable upper limit to English-like spelled numbers? --Ten. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
searchKey, backKey, menuKey
I was mucking around in the Dictionary and found the terms: searchKey, backKey and menuKey and wondered where they might possibly be on my keyboard ??? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software
mwieder wrote Maybe this? http://blog.chipp.com/category/diagram-creator/ Hi All, Did anyone noticed spam under this entry: Diagram your websites! by on JUNE 19, 2010 in DIAGRAM CREATOR, LIVECODE in Chipp's webpage? Please, ask Chipp to remove or update the plugin that allows to write spam in his WordPress site. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Collaborative-Diagramming-Software-tp4680811p4680862.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:11 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/07/14 03:59, Mark Wieder wrote: Jerry- Thursday, July 3, 2014, 4:50:45 PM, you wrote: So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) Three is also the largest number crows can distinguish, so that makes sense. Maybe next year I'll run a Livecode for Crows Summer School: should pull them in by the hundred. Or at least by the three . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: searchKey, backKey, menuKey
Richmond wrote: I was mucking around in the Dictionary and found the terms: searchKey, backKey and menuKey and wondered where they might possibly be on my keyboard ??? You won't - the Dictionary notes: Platforms: Mobile Supported Operating Systems: Android Summary: Sent to the current card of the defaultStack when the hardware menu button is pressed. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
Richmond- Friday, July 4, 2014, 1:04:33 AM, you wrote: My feature request would be to REMOVE the ordinals! Then one could ONLY do: delete char 3 and so on and things would be consistent. +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever used ordinal numbers other than first and last. And those sparingly. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
+1 Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org On Jul 4, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net wrote: Richmond- Friday, July 4, 2014, 1:04:33 AM, you wrote: My feature request would be to REMOVE the ordinals! Then one could ONLY do: delete char 3 and so on and things would be consistent. +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever used ordinal numbers other than first and last. And those sparingly. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/2014 17:09, Mark Wieder wrote: +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever used ordinal numbers other than first and last. And those sparingly. And why do we not get to usepenultimate ? But I agree, I'm another who's never used (and never will use) second, third, etc. - first and last seem OK, but somehow beyond that it seem wrong somehow. -- Alex. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
Richmond, I don't understand the problem. Can't you simply ignore the ordinal versions (first chunk ... tenth chunk)? Just teach your students the cardinal versions (chunk num). I remember, when learning HyperCard ages ago, regarding this alternative syntax as a kind of free bonus. But most of the time I just wrote, e.g., get item 3 of the_line instead of get third item of the_line, 'cause it was quicker. (In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it's only in LiveCode for backward compatibility with HyperCard.) Jonathan Cooper http://doctordada.com On 04/07/2014, at 1:04 AM, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/07/14 00:43, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi Richmond, Ten is defined as a constant and tenth as a keyword according to the dictionary. Eleven and eleventh aren't defined. Although a warning might be appropriate, it is easy to find out why it doesn't work, if one reads the dictionary: eleven and eleventh don't exist. Unfortunately, something lacking from the dictionary doesn't always mean that it doesn't exist :-( I agree it is silly that LiveCode only contains the constants one to ten. I'm not sure that it is possible to have an infinite number of constants defined as ordinal numbers, but it should be possible to do this for very large numbers. Perhaps a feature request? My feature request would be to REMOVE the ordinals! Then one could ONLY do: delete char 3 and so on and things would be consistent. Certainly my grumble (and it is only a grumble, it is NOT a roaring complaint) is about inconsistencies, which makes teaching Livecode a bit more difficult than perhaps may be necessary. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Intersect and Within
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5t=20960 Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 20:28, Jonathan Cooper wrote: Richmond, I don't understand the problem. Can't you simply ignore the ordinal versions (first chunk ... tenth chunk)? Just teach your students the cardinal versions (chunk num). Well; that is alright as far as it goes; until some bright spark finds first in the Dictionary and decides to indulge in some inductive reasoning. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/2014 17:09, Mark Wieder wrote: +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever used ordinal numbers other than first and last. And those sparingly. And backward compatibility? I do see a few stacks that use ordinals. In case anyone is wondering, the reason they're there is because HC incorporated them, and it was the Apple team that decided to limit the number to ten. And yes, I still get requests for HC conversions (I'm working on one right now.) I have also seen LC stacks that use ordinals -- look in the forums some time. Should we really limit the language based on most popular usage? If so then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use only the synonyms that I use the most. BackgroundColor is too long and I think we should ditch it and retain only backColor, or even better, bgColor. Also, no one uses firstColor and secondColor so let's drop those entirely. Honestly, you guys, this is one of the silliest discussions I've seen. There is no reason to yank terms out of the language just because some people don't use them. And the reason it came up? Richmond had an awkward moment with a student. Whose problem is that? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 20:46, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 04/07/2014 17:09, Mark Wieder wrote: +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever used ordinal numbers other than first and last. And those sparingly. And backward compatibility? I do see a few stacks that use ordinals. In case anyone is wondering, the reason they're there is because HC incorporated them, and it was the Apple team that decided to limit the number to ten. And yes, I still get requests for HC conversions (I'm working on one right now.) I have also seen LC stacks that use ordinals -- look in the forums some time. Should we really limit the language based on most popular usage? If so then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use only the synonyms that I use the most. BackgroundColor is too long and I think we should ditch it and retain only backColor, or even better, bgColor. Also, no one uses firstColor and secondColor so let's drop those entirely. Honestly, you guys, this is one of the silliest discussions I've seen. There is no reason to yank terms out of the language just because some people don't use them. And the reason it came up? This was not 'that' awkward. But it did point to inconsistencies in Livecode. Richmond had an awkward moment with a student. Whose problem is that? Your point, Jacque, is well put. Backwards compatibility is a good thing: and I am well miffed about the lack of backward compatibility between pre 7 and post 7 Livecode vis-a-vis numToChar! So; perhaps the way to keep everybody happy (well, Thee and Me, at least) is to have some sort of rider in the Dictionary where the ordinal numbers are, that that is for backward compatibility and delete char 3 is to be preferred. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 7/4/2014, 12:53 PM, Richmond wrote: So; perhaps the way to keep everybody happy (well, Thee and Me, at least) is to have some sort of rider in the Dictionary where the ordinal numbers are, that that is for backward compatibility and delete char 3 is to be preferred. But it isn't for backward compatibility; that came up only because some people wanted to removed the terms. Nor is there a preferred syntax. The ordinals exist as an option for those who find them to be more natural. It's another choice, just as all the other synonyms in the language are choices. We like choice. I remember seeing documentation somewhere about the one through ten constants, and when you first mentioned the omission I did a quick look but couldn't find it. I agree it should probably be in the dictionary, and a quick report in the QCC could fix that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
Richmond- Friday, July 4, 2014, 10:53:00 AM, you wrote: Backwards compatibility is a good thing: As a generic statement, I think that's arguable (as in yeah, I know it's broken and stupid but now we can't fix it because someone somewhere might be relying on the current behavior). So; perhaps the way to keep everybody happy (well, Thee and Me, at least) is to have some sort of rider in the Dictionary where the ordinal numbers are, that that is for backward compatibility and delete char 3 is to be preferred. Yes, I'd like to see the term deprecated used more liberally in the dictionary. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
Jacque- Friday, July 4, 2014, 10:46:47 AM, you wrote: Should we really limit the language based on most popular usage? If so then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use only the synonyms that I use the most. BackgroundColor is too long and I think we should ditch it and retain only backColor, or even better, bgColor. Also, no one uses firstColor and secondColor so let's drop those entirely. O... I like this. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 04/07/14 21:13, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Friday, July 4, 2014, 10:46:47 AM, you wrote: Should we really limit the language based on most popular usage? If so then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use only the synonyms that I use the most. BackgroundColor is too long and I think we should ditch it and retain only backColor, or even better, bgColor. Also, no one uses firstColor and secondColor so let's drop those entirely. O... I like this. Looks like somebody got out the wrong side of bed today :) Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software
On 03/07/14 22:26, Brahmanathswami wrote: Surprising that draw.io gets so little press. Free for up to 500 users with unlimited docs... made by http://www.jgraph.com/... which is a pretty advanced company... Personally I'm not very keen on something that requires an internet connexion; even if only for the simple reason that about half of my life I am in places where there is no internet (and that is a blessing beyond compare). I do like Dia: http://dia-installer.de/download/index.html It is Open Source, cross-platform, and does the trick. Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software
Pencil Project is pretty groovy as well: http://pencil.evolus.vn/Default.html Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On 7/4/2014, 1:49 PM, Richmond wrote: On 04/07/14 21:13, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Friday, July 4, 2014, 10:46:47 AM, you wrote: Should we really limit the language based on most popular usage? If so then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use only the synonyms that I use the most. BackgroundColor is too long and I think we should ditch it and retain only backColor, or even better, bgColor. Also, no one uses firstColor and secondColor so let's drop those entirely. O... I like this. Looks like somebody got out the wrong side of bed today :) He's just being...progressive. Luddites unite! -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
Jacque- Friday, July 4, 2014, 12:14:14 PM, you wrote: He's just being...progressive. Luddites unite! Hey! It was *your* idea in the first place. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Ordinal numbers
On Jul 4, 2014, at 3:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Luddites unite! The future ain't what it used to be. -- Yogi Berra -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Inhibit mouse Events possible?
Mark: What about a transparent graphic with: on mouseDown checkoption end mouseDown on mouseUp checkoption end mouseUp —Other mouse events could be added on checkoption if the option key is down then hide me end if end check option Best, Bill On Jul 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Jerry Jensen j...@jhj.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: repeat forever with messages ??? repeat with messages ??? I think we've been through this before. The compiler doesn't mind, but the with messages part is not legal syntax and does nothing. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
