Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/7/2015 3:31 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: That's just what I remember from the few days I tried to work with it. I'm not convinced that the current design can accomodate my work style unless it can at least be

Re: use-livecode Digest, Vol 145, Issue 11

Message: 18 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:58:13 -0500 From: "J. Landman Gay" To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: App Browser versus Project Browser Message-ID: <56157955.3080...@hyperactivesw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8;

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/7/2015 1:22 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: Far more useful would be constructive criticism of both the Project Browser and the Application Browser. It does seem a little 'silly' to maintain two things which serve essentially the same purpose - so Ali's idea is perhaps the best way forward -

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Hmmm, I had to bail on LC8… just not ready do deal with too many broken issues right now. I stuck in 7.1 for now… I like the project browser for several reasons (stopped using the application browser 3 months ago) 1) visual representation of objects is very helpful I 2) having the groups

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Richmond wrote: > Well, all I can suggest is that LiveCode produces a hybrid > [ chimæ ra ??? ] and see what the response is . . . Maybe that would be useful, but maybe LiveCode Ltd. doesn't need to build it. They have a lot of smart people writing C++ in ways beyond the skills and

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

I remembered another issue that prevents me from using the PB: there is no card number visible. This is actually a big deal for me. My stacks do not have named cards, they are all IDs. In the AB I can see the card number which is also displayed in my stack or, sometimes, in the titlebar.

Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 9:53 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > I have a tool in the works that'll help that conversation along Talking about tools in the works. Does anyone have a tool to identify inaccessible handlers, unused variables etc? I was poking in the IDE the

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > That's just what I remember from the few days I tried to work with it. I'm > not convinced that the current design can accomodate my work style unless it > can at least be revised to show a columnar view rather

Re: Basic grouches about LiveCode 8

Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-10-06 04:54, Richard Gaskin wrote: Monte Goulding wrote: On 6 Oct 2015, at 1:15 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote: some really long script somewhere to create every control and set every property? ^ this Where can I read that? I wonder what the break-even ROI

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Monte Goulding wrote: > At one point I was thinking of making a stack browser that behaved > like the column view in the finder but then I realised that the most > annoying thing about the application browser is its use of horizontal > space. Unfortunately it’s the use of horizontal space that

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

I am one of the people that generally prefers the Application Browser to the Project Browser, but to be fair I don’t think I gave the PB enough attention to see any of it’s merits. Now that I’ve used the PB a little more in LC8 I have been able to get a slightly better feel for it, so I

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser (features)

On 10/7/2015 3:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 10/7/2015 1:22 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: >> Far more useful would be constructive criticism of both the Project >> Browser and the Application Browser. It does seem a little 'silly' to >> maintain two things which serve essentially the same purpose

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 8:59 am, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > > Well, all I can suggest is that LiveCode produces a hybrid > > [ chimæ ra ??? ] and see what the response is . . . > > Maybe that would be useful, but maybe LiveCode Ltd. doesn't need to build it. rIDE was

[OT] Lifetime Access to GoSkills ExcelCours for $25 instead of 600

Hi, for the next 6 hours you can purchase Lifetime Access to 3 Excel courses (Basic, Advanced and Pivotables) from GoSkills with Lifetime Update at AppSumos website at http://www.appsumo.com/~cZ9Ld/ Lifetime updates mean, they will update their course when new Excel versions are released.

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

IMO, Jacque makes a number of valid points. In the Project Browser, because stacks and cards are contained in the single view, a long list of controls will remove any stack and card references from view, while in the Application Browser, stacks and cards are always visible. It seems like

How can I get a high-res image into LC?

Hello, when importing images into LC as an icon resource for buttons, does the dpi of the image makes any difference? I think the dpi is only relevant for printing. If I have a button of 100px and assign to it an image of 100px it should be irrelevant if the image has 72 dpi or 300 dpi, it only

Re: LC8

On 2015-10-07 08:37, Richmond wrote: On 07/10/15 02:45, Peter Haworth wrote: Thanks. I believe the plugin problem was discovered in LC8 dp5 so sounds like will be OK in dp6. Back to the Future: we currently have a DP7 build: "We’ll aim to continuously build LiveCode 8.0.0-dp-7 candidates,

Re: LC8

On 07/10/15 02:45, Peter Haworth wrote: Thanks. I believe the plugin problem was discovered in LC8 dp5 so sounds like will be OK in dp6. Back to the Future: we currently have a DP7 build: "We’ll aim to continuously build LiveCode 8.0.0-dp-7 candidates, and make them available for you to

Re: How can I get a high-res image into LC?

On 07/10/15 09:49, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Hello, when importing images into LC as an icon resource for buttons, does the dpi of the image makes any difference? I think the dpi is only relevant for printing. If I have a button of 100px and assign to it an image of 100px it should be

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

> On 8 Oct 2015, at 2:19 pm, Scott Rossi wrote: > > As soon as we get a means to irregularly distort images, I'm all for that How do you want to distort them? There’s an underlying affine transformation these days doing angle, flip & resize so anything you can do with

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Agreed that satisfying everybody will never happen, but I would argue that the dual-pane approach of the Application Browser can display more information in a single view than the Project Browser. IMO, accessing multiple stacks is more efficient using this approach compared to using a single

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

What Scott and Jacque wrote. I might add that it doesn’t take many controls to get confusing. Just a few modTableFields (thanks, Bernd!) that have fields named the same, and you can easily be lost. I can guess it would be even more confusing with datagrids. .Jerry > On Oct 7, 2015, at 4:20 PM,

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/07/2015 11:54 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: So if we had deleted the app browser stack from the build, would your point of view have changed and would you have started to use the project browser? ;) Wow. I step away for a day and look what happens. Interesting question. I'd probably stay

[OT] Re-open question on SO

Does anyone else have sufficient permissions to vote to re-open this question on Stackoverflow? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32991614/livecode-strict-isnumber-needed We still need 3 votes. -- Mark Schonewille http://economy-x-talk.com Buy the most extensive book on the LiveCode

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On Oct 7, 2015 3:02 PM, "Mark Waddingham" wrote: > > As an indication of community division it might be useful - app browser/project browser/indifferent. > > However, I'm not sure a poll would give us the information we need as it is too binary. I personally don't like either

Re: [OT] Re-open question on SO

Mark Schonewille wrote: Does anyone else have sufficient permissions to vote to re-open this question on Stackoverflow? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32991614/livecode-strict-isnumber-needed We still need 3 votes. If you can figure out SO's permissions you're a better man than me. My

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

I think this thread illustrates the problem the team have trying to figure out what type of browser to implement. Everyone has their own ways of working and it's practically impossible to come up with a solution that will keep everyone happy. Perhaps the biggest divide is between the horizontal

Re: [OT] Re-open question on SO

I don’t see how to vote. > On Oct 7, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Mark Schonewille > wrote: > > Does anyone else have sufficient permissions to vote to re-open this question > on Stackoverflow? > >

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Like others I find the left pane of the app browser pretty useful. I¹ve given the project browser a number of runs but usually end up returning to the app browser because of the way it displays (simply) stacks and cards. I don¹t much like the right pane of the app browser when there are lots of

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 10/7/2015 6:20 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: IMO, Jacque makes a number of valid points. In the Project Browser, because stacks and cards are contained in the single view, a long list of controls will remove any stack and card references from view, while in the Application Browser, stacks and cards

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

As soon as we get a means to irregularly distort images, I'm all for that :-P Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 10/7/15, 6:38 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Roger Eller"

Re: How Film Sets and Coding Are Equally Important

On 10/07/2015 07:56 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: If I may be so bold as to disagree, You're not disagreeing, it's just my lack of clarity in what I posted earlier. Amoral implies apathy, a lack of interest in taking a position. It's much easier to deal with someone or something with a defined

Re: LC8

On 07/10/15 10:44, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 2015-10-07 08:37, Richmond wrote: On 07/10/15 02:45, Peter Haworth wrote: Thanks. I believe the plugin problem was discovered in LC8 dp5 so sounds like will be OK in dp6. Back to the Future: we currently have a DP7 build: "We’ll aim to

Re: How can I get a high-res image into LC?

There is still no import feature of SVG vector graphics. (And the EPS import is very limited and old.) The "Roadmap" says: "Vector Shape Object Use widget framework to write this control." So, like the multimedia player object, SVG is in LC8 limbo. Note that the bare info. in the roadmap blurb

Re: How Film Sets and Coding Are Equally Important

If I may be so bold as to disagree, Amoral means the absense of moral aspect. Neither moral or immoral. Bob S On Oct 6, 2015, at 16:24 , Mark Wieder > wrote: On 10/06/2015 12:03 PM, Richmond wrote: On 06/10/15 21:57, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:40, Mark Waddingham wrote: Indeed - but I don't think your tone of phrase was using it in that exact manner? ;) By the way, I'm smiling here - it is a useful conversation to have if it is constructive. Either app browser bashing or project browser bashing isn't particularly

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

So if we had deleted the app browser stack from the build, would your point of view have changed and would you have started to use the project browser? ;) Sent from my iPhone > On 7 Oct 2015, at 19:46, Richmond wrote: > >> On 07/10/15 21:40, Mark Waddingham wrote:

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

What about making a poll? Mark Schonewille http://economy-x-talk.com Buy the most extensive book on the LiveCode language: http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com Op 10/7/2015 om 20:43 schreef Mark Waddingham: Seriously, no need to feel hot about the collar :) There are definitely people

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:43, Mark Waddingham wrote: Seriously, no need to feel hot about the collar :) There are definitely people who do not like the project browser - that is clear. I'd also suggest that there are people who don't like the application browser. So - let us assume that it costs a good

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:54, Mark Schonewille wrote: What about making a poll? +1 Richmond. Mark Schonewille http://economy-x-talk.com Buy the most extensive book on the LiveCode language: http://livecodebeginner.economy-x-talk.com Op 10/7/2015 om 20:43 schreef Mark Waddingham: Seriously, no need

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

That is a strange question: if we take away something you like, would you use the one and only thing that's left? I think you need to be a little careful with that. While some people might use whatever tool is available, some other people will decide to use a different tool (like me), but yet

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

As an indication of community division it might be useful - app browser/project browser/indifferent. However, I'm not sure a poll would give us the information we need as it is too binary. It's not about preference as such it's about having a component which serves everyone's needs. The

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:54, Mark Waddingham wrote: So if we had deleted the app browser stack from the build, would your point of view have changed and would you have started to use the project browser? ;) When I finally got to look at a LiveCode 8 build after a week's hiatus with various computer

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Seriously, no need to feel hot about the collar :) There are definitely people who do not like the project browser - that is clear. I'd also suggest that there are people who don't like the application browser. So - let us assume that it costs a good deal of time to maintain both and thus

App Browser versus Project Browser

Well, it seems that the "people" are speaking with one voice over here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=25503 So, as an experiment in participatory democracy, and whether RunRev/LiveCode REALLY listen to their installed customer base, Please go there and give your opinion. R.

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 2015-10-07 20:08, Richmond wrote: Well, it seems that the "people" are speaking with one voice over here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=25503 So, as an experiment in participatory democracy, and whether RunRev/LiveCode REALLY listen to their installed customer base, Please go

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:22, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-10-07 20:08, Richmond wrote: Well, it seems that the "people" are speaking with one voice over here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=25503 So, as an experiment in participatory democracy, and whether RunRev/LiveCode REALLY listen

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

On 07/10/15 21:22, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-10-07 20:08, Richmond wrote: Well, it seems that the "people" are speaking with one voice over here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=25503 So, as an experiment in participatory democracy, and whether RunRev/LiveCode REALLY listen

Re: App Browser versus Project Browser

Indeed - but I don't think your tone of phrase was using it in that exact manner? ;) By the way, I'm smiling here - it is a useful conversation to have if it is constructive. Either app browser bashing or project browser bashing isn't particularly useful to my mind. What is useful is getting