Re: Tab Buttons Mac vs. Win
Bob Sneidar wrote: > I would LOVE to find out how Livecode for Mac draws those beautiful > tab buttons so I can duplicate it on Windows, because DAYAM are the > Windows ones ugly! Around the turn of the century I wrote to Bruce Tognazzini, back when he was still taking email questions. I asked him about the proper placement of confirmation and dismissal buttons (often "OK" and "Cancel") in cross-platform apps. I was familiar with his early research on how the Mac layout (confirmation on the right) matched eye tracking studies on scanning order, and thus was a better solution. On Windows reading order is used (confirmation on the left), which might seem better but not in UIs; dialog boxes just aren't read as much as skimmed, so rather than taking in each line individually as we do when we read, most folks more or less just scan from upper-left to lower-right, where on Mac the action button awaits. So I asked Tog: "Given that the Mac way is borne out by research, wouldn't it be better to use to Mac way in my Windows apps as well?" He was kind enough in his reply, acknowledging that at least my heart was in the right place with wanting to "do the right thing" by the user. But he was also blunt: I had missed something even more important than research. I had overlooked the significance of user habits. When a user spends years with an OS design, they build up a cognitive and muscle memory, so strong that even when research shows an advantage to a different means, the consistency winds up outweighing it. In short, he suggested I do Windows things on Windows, and leave Mac things on Mac. Who am I to argue with Tog? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Styled text on mobile
Am I dreaming the impossible dream? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Congrats to everyone on success of the Covid-19 -- LiveCode Impact Fund Campaign.
*Esnipe* is an independently developed web app that is using the ebay api, and the interesting part is that *it's allegedly using livecode and/or livecode server! * I use it all the time! I'm usually able to get almost anything I want from ebay. I don't ever worry before the timer runs out. If it's above my own "reserve" then it's ok. -- Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - mixstream.org On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 2:29 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 7/17/20 2:40 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote: > > I hadn’t heard of ‘campaign snipers’ but it sounded like a thing > > I suspect it was a pun or a reference to eBay sniping. That's when bidders > wait until the very > last second of an auction and then swoop in with a higher price in order > to get the item > without allowing the bidding to go up any higher. There are third-party > eBay apps that will > snipe for you automatically in order to submit the highest price at the > last nanosecond. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Congrats to everyone on success of the Covid-19 -- LiveCode Impact Fund Campaign.
On 7/17/20 2:40 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode wrote: I hadn’t heard of ‘campaign snipers’ but it sounded like a thing I suspect it was a pun or a reference to eBay sniping. That's when bidders wait until the very last second of an auction and then swoop in with a higher price in order to get the item without allowing the bidding to go up any higher. There are third-party eBay apps that will snipe for you automatically in order to submit the highest price at the last nanosecond. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
RE: Push notifications
Same here. Customers don't want to hear nor will they understand the technical reason why. It just annoys the heck out of them. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 3:42 PM To: LiveCode Mailing List Cc: J. Landman Gay Subject: Push notifications How come we're still getting this warning when submitting to the App Store: ITMS-90078: Missing Push Notification Entitlement The app does not use notifications. I know it's just a warning, but the client gets a copy of Apple's email and they get concerned. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Push notifications
How come we're still getting this warning when submitting to the App Store: ITMS-90078: Missing Push Notification Entitlement The app does not use notifications. I know it's just a warning, but the client gets a copy of Apple's email and they get concerned. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Congrats to everyone on success of the Covid-19 -- LiveCode Impact Fund Campaign.
Hi Sean, I hadn’t heard of ‘campaign snipers’ but it sounded like a thing, maybe some new lingo the young folk say about a type of people involved in crowd funding campaign so I searched it up. (Do they still say ‘search it up’?) 'campaign snipers' gets lots of Call of Duty results 'crowd funding campaign snipers' gets lots of results for online fundraisers for people who were/are snipers or sports teams named Snipers. So not a thing? It sounds like it should be a thing. What is the definition? Martin > On Jul 17, 2020, at 3:21 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode > wrote: > > Martin, are you saying there are campaign snipers :D > > Well done LC. Worth keeping it alive. Always lots of potential. > > Sean Cole > Pi Digital Productions Ltd > > >> On 17 Jul 2020, at 16:52, Tom Glod via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >> Congrats Livecode Inc on reaching the goal that is good news for us all! >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, big congrats to everyone; contributors and fund raisers alike . Quite >>> a feat. I look forward to exciting new developments. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: Hi. Another successful campaign — 100% funded. Congrats to Kevin and all >>> the folks at LiveCode and thanks to all the fellow members of the community >>> who chipped in to reach the goal. We always seem to make it at the end of these campaigns.. It is like >>> and auction and it seems there are a number of people who stand at the >>> sidelines till the last few days and then the serious bidding starts, >>> people get excited and may end up buying a thing or two they hadn’t >>> intended to to see it go over the edge. Always an interesting phenomenon >>> to watch from this side. I wonder if this is unique to the LiveCode >>> community. It would be an interesting study for some graduate student in >>> business or psychology. Martin Koob ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tom Glod >> Founder & Developer >> MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) >> Mobile:647.562.9411 >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Congrats to everyone on success of the Covid-19 -- LiveCode Impact Fund Campaign.
Martin, are you saying there are campaign snipers :D Well done LC. Worth keeping it alive. Always lots of potential. Sean Cole Pi Digital Productions Ltd > On 17 Jul 2020, at 16:52, Tom Glod via use-livecode > wrote: > > Congrats Livecode Inc on reaching the goal that is good news for us all! > > > >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Yes, big congrats to everyone; contributors and fund raisers alike . Quite >> a feat. I look forward to exciting new developments. >> >> Mark >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> Another successful campaign — 100% funded. Congrats to Kevin and all >> the folks at LiveCode and thanks to all the fellow members of the community >> who chipped in to reach the goal. >>> >>> We always seem to make it at the end of these campaigns.. It is like >> and auction and it seems there are a number of people who stand at the >> sidelines till the last few days and then the serious bidding starts, >> people get excited and may end up buying a thing or two they hadn’t >> intended to to see it go over the edge. Always an interesting phenomenon >> to watch from this side. I wonder if this is unique to the LiveCode >> community. It would be an interesting study for some graduate student in >> business or psychology. >>> >>> Martin Koob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> ___ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > Tom Glod > Founder & Developer > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > Mobile:647.562.9411 > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: breakpoint causes 3 second delay then exit to top
I found later that the same thing was happening away from this code block, and with just a red breakpoint. As I don't restart my PC for weeks on end, I quit LC and restarted. Both of these strange error situations disappeared. Which suggests that it is some complex condition (either within my app or within the IDE) that leads to this situation. On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Le 17 juil. 2020 à 13:52, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> a écrit : > > > > This is mystifying in so many ways. I've seen this a few times and I'm > at > > a loss to explain it. It's LC 9.5.1 on Windows 10. > > > > *When the code gets to the above breakpoint, the debugger exits to top. > It > > takes about 3 seconds with the debugger sitting at the breakpoint before > > the engine exits to top.* > > > > Hello, > > I've already had the same behavior but I noticed that it happens when > there is an error in the executed code (but an error that doesn't block the > execution of the script !). By fixing the script, the breakpoint then works > as it should. > > Maybe there is an error in your script (before the code you displayed > here). > > Ludovic > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: breakpoint causes 3 second delay then exit to top
> Le 17 juil. 2020 à 13:52, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode > a écrit : > > This is mystifying in so many ways. I've seen this a few times and I'm at > a loss to explain it. It's LC 9.5.1 on Windows 10. > > *When the code gets to the above breakpoint, the debugger exits to top. It > takes about 3 seconds with the debugger sitting at the breakpoint before > the engine exits to top.* > Hello, I've already had the same behavior but I noticed that it happens when there is an error in the executed code (but an error that doesn't block the execution of the script !). By fixing the script, the breakpoint then works as it should. Maybe there is an error in your script (before the code you displayed here). Ludovic ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Congrats to everyone on success of the Covid-19 -- LiveCode Impact Fund Campaign.
Congrats Livecode Inc on reaching the goal that is good news for us all! On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mark Smith via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Yes, big congrats to everyone; contributors and fund raisers alike . Quite > a feat. I look forward to exciting new developments. > > Mark > > > > On Jul 16, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > Another successful campaign — 100% funded. Congrats to Kevin and all > the folks at LiveCode and thanks to all the fellow members of the community > who chipped in to reach the goal. > > > > We always seem to make it at the end of these campaigns.. It is like > and auction and it seems there are a number of people who stand at the > sidelines till the last few days and then the serious bidding starts, > people get excited and may end up buying a thing or two they hadn’t > intended to to see it go over the edge. Always an interesting phenomenon > to watch from this side. I wonder if this is unique to the LiveCode > community. It would be an interesting study for some graduate student in > business or psychology. > > > > Martin Koob > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
Re: Live code server with Debian 8 Jesse
Hi Willian, We currently have four Centos 7/8 Servers running LiveCode Server. They work like a charm. I'm pretty busy, but I'll create a brief tutorial next week. I'll let you know when I'm finished. Best, Hery On 7/15/20 2:53 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote: Hery: I know that I would appreciate this. I have been at the periphery of deciding to mess with the livecode server, and a good tutorial that is up to date would be very helpful. My server is on Centos 7, and I would probably debug locally on my Apple using MAMP, though. But, before I invest any time on it, I would want to make sure I could get it working on my LiquidWeb (CentOS) server. Best, Bill William A. Prothero https://earthlearningsolutions.org On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode wrote: Thanks Richard, I'll do it and I'll create an English version of the article. Best, Hery El 13-07-2020 20:18, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode escribió: Good tutorial, Heriberto: I use Livecode server on several Linux machines: Centos 7 / 8 and Ubuntu 14/16/18. I didn't need 32bits libraries. I created a brief installation tuto in my blog: https://www.hermanotemblon.com/instalacion-de-livecode-server-en-ubuntu/ It is in Spanish, but you could use Google translator. If you put those individual bash statements together into an executable script file you'd have a pretty handy installer. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Hola, buenos días: Un abrazo Best regards/ Saludos cordiales/ Cordialement Heriberto Torrado Chief Technology Officer (CTO) Director de informática Directeur informatique *NetDreams S.C.* http://www.networkdreams.net Address / Dirección / Adresse: *USA: *538 East 85th Street, #1C Manhattan NY, NY 10028 USA *Europe / Europa: *Paseo de la Castellana 135 10ª Planta Madrid 28024 Spain / España *Tel - Phone - Fax:* Phone / Tel USA : +1 917 287 5644 / +1 646 596 8787 Phone / Tel Spain :+34 627 556 500 / + 34 91 063 74 48 Please consider the environment before printing this email / Por favor considera tu responsabilidad medioambiental antes de imprimir esta página. Confidentiality: The information contained in this message as well as the attached file(s) is confidential/privileged and is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, or you have received this comunication in error, please be aware that any dissemination, distribution or duplication is strictly prohibited, and can be illegal, and please notify us immediately and return the original message to us at the address above. Thank you. Confidencialidad: La información contenida en este mensaje y/o archivo(s) adjunto(s) es confidencial/privilegiada y está destinada a ser leída sólo por la(s) persona(s) a la(s) que va dirigida. Si usted lee este mensaje y no es el destinatario señalado, el empleado o el agente responsable de entregar el mensaje al destinatario, o ha recibido esta comunicación por error, le informamos que está totalmente prohibida, y puede ser ilegal, cualquier divulgación, distribución o reproducción de esta comunicación, y le rogamos que nos lo notifique inmediatamente y nos devuelva el mensaje original a la dirección arriba mencionada. Gracias. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to insure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice, the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Virus: Aunque hemos tomado las medidas para asegurarnos que este correo electrónico y sus ficheros adjuntos están libres de virus, le recomendamos que a efectos de mantener buenas prácticas de seguridad, el receptor debe asegurarse que este correo y sus ficheros adjuntos están libres de virus. ___ use-livecode mailing list
breakpoint causes 3 second delay then exit to top
This is mystifying in so many ways. I've seen this a few times and I'm at a loss to explain it. It's LC 9.5.1 on Windows 10. I have a simple conditional, where I want to stop execution and debug some following actions. Here's the code: *try* *if* "15474" is in tControlLongId *then* *put* the long time && tControlLongId *breakpoint* *end* *if* *catch* tErr *put* "error:" && tErr *end* *try* *When the code gets to the above breakpoint, the debugger exits to top. It takes about 3 seconds with the debugger sitting at the breakpoint before the engine exits to top.* * A long id containing "15474" is put into the message box. * *If I comment out that condition, then the code runs to completion. * *The Catch clause never catches any error.* * If I try to use a red breakpoint in the gutter, the debugger exits to top (again, after the IDE has sat at the breakpoint for about 3 seconds). * *So the condition triggers. The variable has the tested value. The value of that variable can be expressed. But it looks like the very act of invoking the debugger causes the code to fail, and in a way where even a try/catch block cannot intercept.* *Mystifying. And a significant bug IMO, rendering interactive debugging impossible.* *Kind regards, Bernard * ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
