Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Alex: > I'm surprised there is no "annual payment" option > on the standard plan. The standard plan is also the hobbyist plan "The LiveCode standard plan is an annual subscription which starts at $299 per deployment platform per year" "LiveCode Starter Plan A great way to get started with

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
On 31/08/2021 19:28, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: You can only buy one plan time per person. Or if you are an organization, again you all need to be on the same plan. You can't buy two $9.99 platforms - Starter pricing is intended to be just that, to make it easy and accessible to

Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I honestly never quite saw how offering a free version alongside commercial versions was going to fly. People need to eat, and if you give something away for free, people will simply not pay for it. I did the free version for a couple years, mainly because what I create helps almost

Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Kevin: > After 8 years with an open source offering we have come to > the conclusion this is not the way forward for LiveCode. I agree. In 2013 I was on-the-record as an OSSLC skeptic. I urged caution, but my input was summarily brushed aside; "we've already decided with our VIPs" was the

RE: 9.6.4?

2021-08-31 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Server downloads are available on the website after you login to your account. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net -Original Message- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of matthias rebbe via

Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Hello everyone, Overall I feel happy and excited about these changes. While I started out with the Community, and saw a lot of value in the free version for getting it into the hands of students and more people in general. It obviously didn't work to have the desired effect, and if keeping the

Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Of course LiveCode are prefectly entitled to go the way they want to. What is a very great pity is that they are no longer making existing Community versions available for download. Richmond. On 31.08.21 19:16, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote: I just read and watched Kevin's announcement

Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
I don't know your specific license plan and Heather has left for the evening, however generally if we promised something in the past we do honour it. Licensing emails are going out, if you don't have yours by tomorrow feel free to drop us a line in support. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
You can only buy one plan time per person. Or if you are an organization, again you all need to be on the same plan. You can't buy two $9.99 platforms - Starter pricing is intended to be just that, to make it easy and accessible to get started. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Kaveh via use-livecode
OK. Price per month: - Starter plan Mac – £7.99 - Starter plan Windows – £7.99 - Starter Mac + Windows – £24.99 What am I missing? On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 18:03, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Don't forget the discount for however long that's

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Don't forget the discount for however long that's good for On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 1:00 PM Kaveh via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Now I have to work out the new maze of pricing! > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 17:07, Andre Garzia via use-livecode < >

Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
What has happened to price lock-ins though? Will they get honoured? I'm still paying for a web deployment that still doesn't work properly yet. What is happening to that? On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 17:48, Mike Kerner via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I did not mean that we

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Kaveh via use-livecode
Now I have to work out the new maze of pricing! On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 17:07, Andre Garzia via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > here is the announcement: https://livecode.org/ > > ___ > use-livecode mailing list >

Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I did not mean that we could get it to another firm for commercial use, I meant that we could potentially limp through, ourselves, with the exception of the pieces that were not OSS'd. Most of the time when we ask for source escrow, the fees are insane, if the developer will even discuss it. On

Re: Can't reach license server...

2021-08-31 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Nothing will change until the end of your current term. Emails are gradually going out to licensed customers at the moment so if you hang fire a few more minutes that information will be with you. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode:

Re: Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
So I am disappointed that the code will not be out in the open in the event of a business failure The GPL open source license we used never provided this sort of protection due to the terms of the GPL. For that reason, we continued to sell source code escrow licenses to some commercial

Re: Can't reach license server...

2021-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
Dear Heather, Can you clarify what will happen to our current licenses? For example, I have an Indy license that goes into March 2022, how does that translate to the new offering? What features do I get? It would be great if the Pricing FAQ could include some text on that topic. Best A > On

Re: 9.6.4?

2021-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
yes, just saw the new changes. It felt like going on a scavenge hunt. So they’re basically changing a lot in terms of license and offering, that came out a bit unexpected but I am happy with the changes. Did some math there and it will cost me a bit more than I’m currently paying to get all

Licensing model change

2021-08-31 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I just read and watched Kevin's announcement about LC licensing. The value for us in the OSS license was simply a greater level of assurance that there would be longevity in the event that LC the company failed, as the source was still there for someone else to pick up. I think that's how MC ->

LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
here is the announcement: https://livecode.org/ ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Re: Can't reach license server...

2021-08-31 Thread Heather Laine via use-livecode
There was a temporary license problem which should now be fixed. If you are still seeing it please let me know in support. Best Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager LiveCode Ltd www.livecode.com > On 31 Aug 2021, at 16:49, Rick Harrison via use-livecode > wrote: > >

Re: Can't reach license server...

2021-08-31 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode
That’s why I use the manual license method. Hopefully they are aware of the problem and are working on it. Rick > On Aug 31, 2021, at 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > When trying to launch LiveCode, I keep getting errors contacting the license > server and I see that

Re: 9.6.4?

2021-08-31 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
And there seems to be new pricing. One can now create customized LC subscriptions.. So one can for example could select only macOS and iOS as deployment platform. Any combination is now possible. I think that is a really good new change. > Am 31.08.2021 um 17:45 schrieb Andre Garzia via

Re: 9.6.4?

2021-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
I bet someone changed the script that generates that page and it simply failed to push the correct artifacts to the server. Anyway, let’s wait to see what they say about it. I’m sure someone from HQ will chip in soon. > On 31 Aug 2021, at 16:45, Andre Garzia wrote: > > not only that but

Re: 9.6.4?

2021-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
not only that but community and community plus also vanished... > On 31 Aug 2021, at 16:41, matthias rebbe via use-livecode > wrote: > > And where are the Livecode Server downloads? > > > >> Am 31.08.2021 um 17:35 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode >> : >> >> Something funky is going

Re: 9.6.4?

2021-08-31 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
And where are the Livecode Server downloads? > Am 31.08.2021 um 17:35 schrieb Andre Garzia via use-livecode > : > > Something funky is going on the website. It was off for maintenance a couple > minutes ago and then all of a sudden, I receive a notification from the > updater stack to

9.6.4?

2021-08-31 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
Something funky is going on the website. It was off for maintenance a couple minutes ago and then all of a sudden, I receive a notification from the updater stack to download 9.6.4 There was no release cycle for 9.6.4. The release is marked as stable. Where were the DPs and RCs for that

Re: Can't reach license server...

2021-08-31 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
The main website is undergoing maintenance at the moment so this may have caused an interruption. Sean Pi > On 31 Aug 2021, at 16:13, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > wrote: > > Apparently only temporary as now the license server is back and responding. > > >> On 8/31/2021 10:57 AM, Paul

Re: Can't reach license server...

2021-08-31 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
Apparently only temporary as now the license server is back and responding. On 8/31/2021 10:57 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote: When trying to launch LiveCode, I keep getting errors contacting the license server and I see that Livecode.com is currently down for maintenance, so

Can't reach license server...

2021-08-31 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
When trying to launch LiveCode, I keep getting errors contacting the license server and I see that Livecode.com is currently down for maintenance, so hopefully, this is a very temporary issue. However, is anyone else having problems running LC due to not getting a license validated?